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I don't see how...

im sure most get what swiping up is but seriously you are just reaching at straws with your glances and control center comparison.

Phone - Swipe up, get access to quick options for viewing/interaction
Watch - Swipe up, get access to glances for viewing/interaction (launches associated app)

-K
 
I think, on the whole, Yosemite looks great. Certainly better than the design frankensteins that were Lion and Mountain Lion. The animated emoji, on the other hand, look like something out of Microsoft Instant Messenger.

...or the osx dock?

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I see the Watch as a potentially useful tool, not a toy to keep me entertained.

I actually see the Watch as a tool that will allow me be entertained by other, more active, things in life without always digging out my phone to see if I missed a call/text email.

So instead of being a slave to your phone, your a slave to the watch? Why not simply organize your time better? If you are in a profession--say contractor--where you are handling many urgent calls--it wont really help as you'll to take out your phone to return calls anyway. I'll be interrested to see how it works out
 
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So instead of being a slave to your phone, your a slave to the watch? Why not simply organize your time better?
Note that he said "...to see if I missed a call/text/email". Unless your phone is literally in your hand all waking hours of the day, phones are quite frankly not very good notification centers. It's easy to not hear the ring or feel the vibration, and we've all been burned more than once by a missed time-sensitive notification. As a result, we're constantly checking and re-checking our phones. With the watch, you won't miss the tap on the wrist. So we can stop babysitting our phones and trust that the watch will deliver those notifications if and when they actually arrive.
 
Phone - Swipe up, get access to quick options for viewing/interaction
Watch - Swipe up, get access to glances for viewing/interaction (launches associated app)

-K

sorry i just done see how swiping up on these two devices is similar in anyway

We optimized your favorite apps for the wrist by developing Glances — scannable summaries of the information you seek out most frequently. To see them, you simply swipe up from your watch face. In an instant, you can glimpse the weather forecast, check out what’s next on your calendar, or find your current location on a map. You can quickly swipe through different Glances, or tap one to go directly to its corresponding app for more details.

could in anyway be used to describe this

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to me it seems more like the widgets in the today view rather than the very limited and uncustomizable and non dynamic control center
 
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So instead of being a slave to your phone, your a slave to the watch? Why not simply organize your time better? If you are in a profession--say contractor--where you are handling many urgent calls--it wont really help as you'll to take out your phone to return calls anyway. I'll be interrested to see how it works out


It has nothing to do with organizing your time better. Or "being a slave" to anything but your own desire to stay connected to thing you find important.

I was speaking of doing things like riding a motorcycle/bicycle/skiing/etc. Activities where I have my phone buried in a backpack or deep pocket where it can't be heard or felt.


There are times when you are off doing fun things but still want to know when a friend has called or texted but your phone simply can't be handy. Maybe the "they will text/call when they arrive" situation.

I can easily think of a dozen or more scenarios when I might miss a call/text because of the type of activity I'm doing. These are times I find myself having to stop what I'm doing and spend time digging out a phone to check for a missed notification. Depending on the task/importance of the notification it could be every 5 min or every two hours. Either way, the Watch would solve that problem.
 
Note that he said "...to see if I missed a call/text/email". Unless your phone is literally in your hand all waking hours of the day, phones are quite frankly not very good notification centers. It's easy to not hear the ring or feel the vibration, and we've all been burned more than once by a missed time-sensitive notification. As a result, we're constantly checking and re-checking our phones. With the watch, you won't miss the tap on the wrist. So we can stop babysitting our phones and trust that the watch will deliver those notifications if and when they actually arrive.

I'm not. I check my calls 2-3 times a day. It never seemed like an issue
 
It has nothing to do with organizing your time better. Or "being a slave" to anything but your own desire to stay connected to thing you find important.

I was speaking of doing things like riding a motorcycle/bicycle/skiing/etc. Activities where I have my phone buried in a backpack or deep pocket where it can't be heard or felt.


There are times when you are off doing fun things but still want to know when a friend has called or texted but your phone simply can't be handy. Maybe the "they will text/call when they arrive" situation.

I can easily think of a dozen or more scenarios when I might miss a call/text because of the type of activity I'm doing. These are times I find myself having to stop what I'm doing and spend time digging out a phone to check for a missed notification. Depending on the task/importance of the notification it could be every 5 min or every two hours. Either way, the Watch would solve that problem.
Precisely!

I'm not. I check my calls 2-3 times a day. It never seemed like an issue
If that's the case I would say your situation is very atypical from most and that you really wouldn't benefit much from a Smartwatch, then. Which is fine! But don't think it's because everyone else's lives are an unorganized mess :)
 
what (features) sets the apple watch apart from other smartwatches other than the digital crown, which is neat? dont say drawing images or sending heartbeats. i can only imagine the *beep*storm if samsung had implemented such a feature, because "stupid gimmick"
 
what (features) sets the apple watch apart from other smartwatches other than the digital crown, which is neat? dont say drawing images or sending heartbeats. i can only imagine the *beep*storm if samsung had implemented such a feature, because "stupid gimmick"

You can use it as a phone. Biggest reason and then the design and how professional it looks. I'm an engineer and could wear this with a suit or business casual or jeans and a t-shirt.

Forgot the sapphire screen on the one I want and OLED.

Definitely agree on the drawings and heart beat but who knows with kids and teens.

The watch just looks very very nice and is slightly smaller than all others. It really is a professional looking watch.

Apps are always better in the App Store since developers usually develop for Apple first. That's not my opinion but numerous technical and application reviews.
 
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what (features) sets the apple watch apart from other smartwatches other than the digital crown, which is neat? dont say drawing images or sending heartbeats. i can only imagine the *beep*storm if samsung had implemented such a feature, because "stupid gimmick"

1) it works with an iPhone. Other than the Pebble, the others don't
2) Taptic engine for discreet taps instead of audible signals for Map directions and notifications
3. Apple build quality and design sensibility (not plastic) and excellent customer service
4. Works with AppleTV and home kit automation by extension
5. Will have a better selection of apps (based on the better selection for iPhone)
6. ApplePay
7. Force click for easy access to more options

Just a few I can think of
 
what (features) sets the apple watch apart from other smartwatches other than the digital crown, which is neat? dont say drawing images or sending heartbeats. i can only imagine the *beep*storm if samsung had implemented such a feature, because "stupid gimmick"


My impression so far is that the Watch seems like all the possible use cases have been thought through well.

Making it a useful tool vs just a gadget.

Other seem to be "throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks........up to a price point"


Your question seems to immediately shrug off two of the most important things (not all, but two).

First,  noticed that your fingers get in the way of certain actions so developed the "digits crown" to solve this issue. Other manufactures may have recognized the issue but didn't bother to do anything about it. This alone is a great example of the difference between the user experience of some  products vs others. (And why  has such success and fan base)

Second, the "digits touch" is a very cool direct person to person communications tool. I can imagine using it in all sorts of scenarios where I might want to get someone's attention by "tapping them", but am too far away to do it physically.

Ever tried to get a presenters attention during a speech to let them know they have gone over time? Or get the attention of someone in a meeting without barging in the room?

I can't tell you how many times I wish I could reach out and tap my wife on the wrist to let her know her iphone is still on silent and buried in her purse!!.....answer the phone!!!
 
As much as I want an Apple Watch I think I will wait until generation 2. Battery life is going to be an issue and I would not be surprised if next year's version is thinner. Right now I am happy with a fitbit and my iPhone but once the Apple Watch gets more health features like an oxygen sensor I will buy one. It is going to need time to mature like the first iPhone better off waiting if you can. This all may change once I try it in store though.

Lol. Why would you need a pulse oximeter on your watch? If you can't oxygenate well, you have bigger issues to worry about than watching your SpO2 drop, like passing out.
 
.....how many traditional watches boast about getting thinner?

To this point......I personally love big thick watches! I'm a big guy and the small watches just look silly on my wrist.

So I'm glad  is offering two sizes and one of them is at least medium sized. I'd actually be up for one in the 48-55mm size in a heartbeat.

(FWIW, the watch on my wrist today is a 48mm and its one of my smaller watches)


.....edit......to be honest I also skipped iPhones until the bigger screen because of big hands too!
 
Still think the whole "Faces" thing is pretty rubbish :(

And I quote:

Watch Faces:

"It's easy to make yours look HOWEVER YOU WANT"

Err, no it's not. We can pick from a small selection of only the ones you supply.
And WOW I can change the colour of the second hand OMG!

I know they won't let users make their own faces and REALLY allow you the user to "make yours look however you want"

But we must all be expecting officially approved watch faces to be up for sale pretty quick.
These built in ones are going to get real old, real quick, and all look pretty dull compared to what can be done

99% of watches on sale have one look, until you trade them for another.

Apple is giving us multiple faces with hundreds of permutations of 'complications' and some color variations.

How many faces must they give you before you are satisfied?
 
99% of watches on sale have one look, until you trade them for another.

Apple is giving us multiple faces with hundreds of permutations of 'complications' and some color variations.

How many faces must they give you before you are satisfied?

Well.

If I buy a old fashioned Painting for $500 then I expect the one image.

If I buy a TV screen for $500 then I expect unlimited images :)

Same goes for a watch with a printed image as opposed to a computer screen :)

I think we are all hoping (well apart some some odd people!)
We are all hoping there will be dozens if not 100's or watch faces by this time next year.
 
Well.

If I buy a old fashioned Painting for $500 then I expect the one image.

If I buy a TV screen for $500 then I expect unlimited images :)

Same goes for a watch with a printed image as opposed to a computer screen :)

I think we are all hoping (well apart some some odd people!)
We are all hoping there will be dozens if not 100's or watch faces by this time next year.

This is version 1.0 of a product that has not even been released yet. Even Apple are not going to be able to make a watch that makes everyone happy all of the time.

I'm sure there will be both software and hardware upgrades over time that will make the experience even better. But they have to have a starting point.

As I look through the Apple Store app on my phone I'm seeing at least eight completely different faces, and of those there is heavy customization from face color, hand color, customization of annotations, adding of things like day and date, along with multiple small icons such as health and fitness tracking, weather, moon phase and so on.

If you break down each face and multiply by all those options, that's a ton of customization right there.

Apple have to be careful. They got sued when they did the iOS 7 release, because the clock icon looked a bit like some clock at a train station in Switzerland and they had to settle. So every new face is a license for anyone who has ever designed a watch or clock to claim Apple ripped off their design and sue them.

In any case, I think there is plenty to keep us happy from day one, and I don't doubt plenty more to follow.

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I agree. Although I aplaud Apple's design aesthetic. This is their first real attempt at a product that has so many fashion options. I don't see the Apple masses buying a $1300 watch. Or paying $600 for a strap. I just don't.

Why to Apple Watch critics keep taking such extreme examples to make their point?

First off, forget the Edition, it's a plaything of the 1%.

So when you break down the 'normal' priced watches the Sport is under $400.

And the stainless have 20 versions, of which only the Stainless / Link is even close to the price you mentioned. The vast majority are half that price. As for a $600 bracelet, you have once again exaggerated to make your point. The link one is $449, which is a bargain for a 316L bracelet with over 100 components, that takes nine hours to cut the links to size, and features the innovation of being able to switch it AND remove links without a special tool.

For a person who is in to watches and is used to dabbling in say the Tag Heuer price range of watch, $1100-$1200 for a watch is certainly no big deal.
 
Apple have to be careful. They got sued when they did the iOS 7 release, because the clock icon looked a bit like some clock at a train station in Switzerland and they had to settle. So every new face is a license for anyone who has ever designed a watch or clock to claim Apple ripped off their design and sue them.
To be clear, the face they copied was an almost exact replica of an iconic and copyrighted design, and they did not secure licensing before using it.

See:
http://www.watchpro.com/14020-mondaine-watch-face-copied-in-apple-ipad-clock/

This design is licensed to Mondaine who makes watches that look like the swiss railways design, and it sounds like apple just paid the licensing fee until they were able to remove it.
 
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To be clear, the face they copied was an almost exact replica of an iconic and copyrighted design, and they did not secure licensing before using it.

See:
http://www.watchpro.com/14020-mondaine-watch-face-copied-in-apple-ipad-clock/

This design is licensed to Mondaine who makes watches that look like the swiss railways design, and it sounds like apple just paid the licensing fee until they were able to remove it.

I know, I remember it happening.

But there are only so many ways you can present time information to a user. So for every design Apple adds, they are opening themselves up wider for a potential law suit. Think how many thousands of clocks and watches there are in the world. It's quite the minefield.

A designer at Apple may think they are designing something new, but really they saw something like it ten years ago and it wedged in their mind somehow.

In any case, the original point was that Apple have not provided enough faces for their new watch. I think they have made a reasonable start.
 
I know, I remember it happening.

But there are only so many ways you can present time information to a user. So for every design Apple adds, they are opening themselves up wider for a potential law suit. Think how many thousands of clocks and watches there are in the world. It's quite the minefield.

A designer at Apple may think they are designing something new, but really they saw something like it ten years ago and it wedged in their mind somehow.

In any case, the original point was that Apple have not provided enough faces for their new watch. I think they have made a reasonable start.

Yes, but this was clearly not a case where a designer thought they were designing something new - they may not have realized it was a copyrighted design, but that's not a face that just popped into someone's head. If Apple wanted to, they could certainly provide more faces, and I seriously doubt the fear of a lawsuit has anything to do with them not providing more.

However, I think what many people here are hoping for is not that Apple themselves provide more faces, but that Apple open up the faces to third party developers so that many more designs will be available in the future.
 
Yes, but this was clearly not a case where a designer thought they were designing something new - they may not have realized it was a copyrighted design, but that's not a face that just popped into someone's head. If Apple wanted to, they could certainly provide more faces, and I seriously doubt the fear of a lawsuit has anything to do with them not providing more.

However, I think what many people here are hoping for is not that Apple themselves provide more faces, but that Apple open up the faces to third party developers so that many more designs will be available in the future.

Who knows how this design came to be. Did someone see it in Switzerland years ago and just reproduced it for an icon? Did someone actually find a picture of it online and straight up copy it? Did they assume that since it was just some clock made for a state owned non-profit train company it wouldn't matter? Did the designer lie to his or her bosses about it being an original design?

I guess we'll never know.

I suspect we'll see plenty more faces in the future, I'm just looking forward to trying it out. I'm not going to whine about all the things Apple should have done in my opinion. No product is perfect.
 
Worse, my Barclays (Apple) charge card (Barclays free financing from three years ago - One time only deal for SAC) Just sent me an email telling me that after almost three years, I can go ahead and use it again for 18 months SAC.

Ha! I had cut mine up to prevent me from using it and what did I get 3 days ago? The replacement because my old one expired....
 
I think this touches on an interesting issue: consumers--who are insanely addicted to playing with their phones--may find the watch user experience fussy and unpleasant. This is one of several reasons I amanticipating record returns for this product

A lot of the reviews posted today are saying just that. The watch is the best smart watch available, but it's quirky, redundant, and doesn't match the usability of your phone (even in its own way). It's also seems more novelty than fine watch. Novelty eventually wears off, but I think the Apple Watch will eventually develop into something cool and useful. For now, it just seems to be the next thing for people who "have-to-have" the latest tech, useful or not.
 
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