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Yes they are innovative. But at the sametime, they do have the habit of staying behind (techincally wise) in their products.

That was a total contradiction :confused:

They're are new phones available right now that are better than the iphone4, so I'm sure there will be an iphone 5 after 16 months of developing.
 
Everyone's assuming that we won't get a larger screen because the only leaked parts we've seen so far correspond with the form factor of the iPhone-4, but isn't possible to keep the phone's design intact, while still giving it a bigger screen? The Nano 4 & 5 are a perfect example of this.

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Behave? How old are you 13?

Yes they changed the entire cycle for the new release. Apple generally follows the same refresh cycles on yearly basis.

No, I'm an adult ... hence why I'm telling you to behave. You're on about delayed shipments, no one knows how many units Apple have shipped of the new iPhone and when.

Oh wait. You meant the annual refresh is delayed, from July to October. That's not a delayed shipment, it's a delayed launch. Apple delayed no shipments, but they did delay the unveiling and subsequent launch.
 
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Wow people can't read.

This is not at all an indication of the iPod touch not being updated, or lack of the iPhone 5. Just the opposite.

The N81A is an updated black iPod touch. No redesign. New internals. No white model coming, that was fantasy and never confirmed.

The new iPhone 4 model is obviously the new 8 GB black model to sell for $99.

The N94 is and always has been the iPhone 5.

Get. It. Straight.
 
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Wow people can't read.

This is not at all an indication of the iPod touch not being updated, or lack of the iPhone 5. Just the opposite.

The N81A is an updated black iPod touch. No redesign. New internals. No white model coming, that was fantasy and never confirmed.

The new iPhone 4 model is obviously the new 8 GB black model to sell for $99.

The N94 is and always has been the iPhone 5.

Get. It. Straight.
I thought the part leaks with an A5 and 8mp camera inside the iPhone 4 shell were the N94?
 
I'd like to think so, but I can't see them going from 8 to 32.



Who's ignoring it? What about the N97?

People seem to be glossing over the N94 and just assuming these new numbers mean a "4S" only. Maybe I'm reading things wrong. There has been hard evidence of the N94 in iOS5. In my opinion, that's pretty solid. IMO this source of the new codes for a 4S in addition to the N94 showing up in beta is a pretty good indicator there will be 2 phones.

Has there been anything recently on the N97? I haven't heard about that one in a while now.


I should probably just let it go and wait until the 4th. :)
 
I think Apple will indeed have a completely new iphone to wow the world with, (as well as the mid priced 4s).
With all the great new phones just coming out, and the GalaxySll finally in the states, there is no way Apple is going to spend 16 months to unvail a cheaper version of the 4, (makes zero sense).

That said, I have been an att/iphone customer for 3yrs, but will be racing off to the att store on Sunday morning to pick up a new GalaxySll. I will spend 28 of my 30 days checking it out, and then will bring it back/cancel the new 2yr contract, and reactivate my old 3g. I will then return to the store the following week, grab the new iphone, sign new contract, and see how it is. I have 30 days to like it more than the Galaxy, or IT will go back, and I grab another new galaxySll, and stick with it.
Make use of your 30 days people, BEFORE u sign a new two year committment!


So no one thinks this is a good idea :confused:
 
Everyone's assuming that we won't get a larger screen because the only leaked parts we've seen so far correspond with the form factor of the iPhone-4, but isn't possible to keep the phone's design intact, while still giving it a bigger screen? The Nano 4 & 5 are a perfect example of this.

I asked in another thread if anyone has calculated the diagonal size of the display, if you took the width edge-to-edge. I don't think it's much, just eyeballing it I'd say maybe 3.7-3.8"

The problem with the Nano is they changed the display ratio, can't really do that with the iPhone/iOS, things need to stay 960x640.

So no one thinks this is a good idea :confused:

Personally, I'd _wait_ two days, see what Apple releases, and then if it's not compelling enough maybe do your buy (and possibly return) plan.

If you have any interest in the next iPhone, why not wait? It might blow your doors off, and then you could simply buy the iPhone and be done with it :)
 
IPHONE 3GS will be discontinued

IPHONE 4 (n90, n92) will drop to the discount pricepoint that the 3GS was filling. It will get minor upgrades (antenna fix and a dual GSM/CDMA chip to consolidate it to one set of phones) the new models will get the name (n90a) to indicate that they are minor upgrades and unified chips. It will be produced in 8 and maybe 16gb.

IPHONE 4+ (n94) will be released only in asian markets. Asian markets will only get ONE model. It will be in iphone 4 casing and may have upgraded features and WILL have world modes.

IPHONE 5
(n100?) will be released October 14/15 on major carriers. It will have the A5, new housing, etc. It will fill the 199/299 price point that the 4 had before it. It will have a dual GSM/CDMA and there will be two capacities and both colors from launch. All carriers will get the same phones.

In North America and Europe there will only be two phones. The IPHONE 4 will continue to be sold and the IPHONE 5 will be introduced. ATT and Verizon will keep clearing out N90 phones and as they run out, they will be replaced with N90A phones without fanfare. Sprint will begin carrying the N90a beginning at the launch of the 5. That way they can smoothly transition to a single set of phones for all carriers and ATT/Verizon can transition the Iphone 4 from 200 to 150 to 100 to become the budget phone.

Unless you are in China/Asia you will not see an iphone 4S/4+. The rest of us will get a cheaper 4, and a brand new 5 with many of the rumored upgrades. Its all in the WSJ and reliable source leaks.

This year is no different than any other. They make last years phone cheaper and add a new, revamped model. The only change this year is that they are releasing a modified iphone 4 to the Asian market and unifying their network compatibility so they dont end up with CDMA AND GSM phones at every level. Everything going forward will be "world".
 
My belief is that Apple could still KO the world without releasing significantly new hardware.

How come an iPhone 4 32 GB unlocked cost 749 $ while an iPod Touch 32GB cost 299 $ (and is still profitable)?

Apple has now the power to wage the holy war against phone carriers by releasing an iPhone 4 8 GB GSM/CDMA unlocked and without contract for 299 $

Boy, I would love to see that…
 
I completely grasp the concept. You're offering me nothing new but maybe a good demonstration of what an *ss you can be.



And I didn't say anything different. So don't imply otherwise. A4 can do the "heavy lifting" part of rendering 1080p. The device just won't push that render to the HDTV at 1080p barring maybe a jailbreak & switch to some other UI. If I want another UI I can just go with any of this device's competitors: Roku for example, which doesn't need a jailbreak and UI change to push native 1080p to 1080p-capable TVs. But that completely misses the goal.



So it doesn't do what I want it to do. Thus, the hope for a new one that will do what I want it to do... not through trickery... not through some unendorsed method that can be challenged with each Apple software update... not through some non-Apple UI... but through an Apple-endorsed update that gives a buyer what he wants.

Wow, you are the only one on this thread bickering about the ATV...this thread is about iPod Touch and iPhone part numbers, not ATV part numbers, and not iOS devices in general.

Second - your whole original point was that you thought the ATV was hardware limited, not software limited. We have shown you that is not the case. End of discussion.

Go cry for an ATV update in the appropriate section of the forums, where people will actually want to hear about it. (Hint: Apple TV section)
 
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The major part of testing is the antennae system. With the tapered iPhone 5 having a completely different antennae design than the iPhone 4, putting the electronics inside an iPhone 4 chassis and using the iPhone 4's antennae isn't an effective test. Just using the iPhone 4 as a shell also doesn't work well, because even if not in use, I'd think the iPhone 4's metal band housing would change signal characteristics. Testing the iPhone 4 in an iPhone 3GS shell wasn't as big an issue since the iPhone 3GS was plastic.

I agree with this, but it makes me sad. We have actual parts showing up in a design surprisingly similar to the iPhone 4. The only evidence of a new design is some case designs, which were likely all manufactured based off of one leaked document, and that document could have easily been faked.

I'm thinking more and more that my second theory is true... "The new iPhone 5 will feature the same design as the iPhone 4, but the longer time between updates was to make sure iCloud and iOS 5 were working perfectly to avoid another MobileMe disaster."

Well only Evidence of 5 was design doc leak and apples photostream instruction leak. Only thing we can hold on to lol
 
Second - your whole original point was that you thought the ATV was hardware limited, not software limited. We have shown you that is not the case. End of discussion.

Actually no. After being told I don't know what I'm talking about and getting several posts touting certainties that I was wrong, the final reply from the other expert (besides you) on this topic was...

maybe your right i haven't looked into it, but i don't feel like traversing Cydia right now tbh. :\

http://appadvice.com/appnn/2010/10/apple-tv-stream-1080p-displays-720p <<< you mentioned that earlier. sorry. idk bro. but hardware wise, it is capable of 1080P

plus in iOS 5 there doing 1080p stuff, ATV may be upgraded....

His link points to a page that talks about the limitation to output 720p in the current device. But, if you know better, please point me to a link that doesn't involve jailbreaking, running some other UI on the :apple:TV hardware, etc. Is there a very roundabout way to sorta do it? Maybe. But I'm not looking for complications and ideally not jailbreaking (and especially not having to run some other UI on the hardware). I'm looking for an Apple-endorsed solution at the event where they have historically rolled out new :apple:TVs. I'm as interested in this new device as others are interested in new iPhones or iPods.

Go cry for an ATV update in the appropriate section of the forums, where people will actually want to hear about it. (Hint: Apple TV section)

So now, YOU'RE trying to be the "thread police"? I'll post what I want. If you don't like it, skip my posts. :apple:TV is an iOS device. It is usually touted at the Fall event which is now impending. This thread is about "Mr. X" spying new part numbers of iOS-based stuff. :apple:TV is one iOS-based product. Hopefully, a new part number of it shows up soon too.
 
Didn't see this coming?

Have you been living under a rock?

I'll admit I didn't see the Amazon Kindle Fire coming, especially not at $200, but the iPhone 5 will be a shock to absolutely nobody.

As in, you literally didn't see it coming. There wasn't a single confirmed leak this year.
 
I'm right there bro. why did my iPod cost $399 and they don't even make a comperable iphone, but based on their pricing structure, it would cost $899

there's only one chip misisng!

boggles the mind.
 
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Wow people can't read.

This is not at all an indication of the iPod touch not being updated, or lack of the iPhone 5. Just the opposite.

The N81A is an updated black iPod touch. No redesign. New internals. No white model coming, that was fantasy and never confirmed.

The new iPhone 4 model is obviously the new 8 GB black model to sell for $99.

The N94 is and always has been the iPhone 5.

Get. It. Straight.

There are part leaks of a white iPod touch. There are no part leaks of a re-designed iPhone. Put two things together and...

Get. It. Straight.
 
Personally, I'd _wait_ two days, see what Apple releases, and then if it's not compelling enough maybe do your buy (and possibly return) plan.

If you have any interest in the next iPhone, why not wait? It might blow your doors off, and then you could simply buy the iPhone and be done with it :)


Well, I have been waiting, and I'm not impatient, but ..........

I have been an iphone fanboy for 3yrs running, and only researched the Galaxy Sll a few days ago. I felt hypocritical not giving one of these devices a try, (how would I ever know which one was really better for me)?

Now then, you really have put me right back on the fence about what to do :)

If I get a GalaxySll, I can try it out for up to 30 days, (and not put up with the swarms trying for the iphone5 on the 14th and days after).

On the other hand, I have been using a piece of crap 3g for 3 years, and really want to get my hands on a 5 right away. (tried a iphone4 in July, but the reception truely sucked, I was shocked and forced to returned it).

Has anyone on this thread had the chance to use a GalaxySll, whatta you think?
 
There are part leaks of a white iPod touch. There are no part leaks of a re-designed iPhone. Put two things together and...

Get. It. Straight.

When I put the 2 together, one conclusion I come to is that Apple was better at preventing leaks of a redesigned iPhone.
 
Well, I have been waiting, and I'm not impatient, but ..........

I have been an iphone fanboy for 3yrs running, and only researched the Galaxy Sll a few days ago. I felt hypocritical not giving one of these devices a try, (how would I ever know which one was really better for me)?

Now then, you really have put me right back on the fence about what to do :)

If I get a GalaxySll, I can try it out for up to 30 days, (and not put up with the swarms trying for the iphone5 on the 14th and days after).

On the other hand, I have been using a piece of crap 3g for 3 years, and really want to get my hands on a 5 right away.



Has anyone on this thread had the chance to use a GalaxySll, whatta you think?


My friend got one for free and I got to play with it the other day...it is effing awesome. If Apple doesn't blow that screen up, or introduce something I just can't live without, I'm getting that phone.

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There are part leaks of a white iPod touch. There are no part leaks of a re-designed iPhone. Put two things together and...

Get. It. Straight.

Apple left the 4 in a bar...and it ruined the surprise for everyone, in their eyes, I'm sure. To make sure nothing like that happened again, I am sure they have been XXXtremely careful this time around...putting internals inside iPhone 4's to use the device without giving away the form factor.

That's my theory, and my hope.
 
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