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Apple Again Rumored to Launch Smart Home Camera Alongside HomePod With Display

was this the device that was rumored to come out in March? 4 months from now? now bumped 18ish months?
 
I hope the rumors of Apple bringing out a security camera are true. Apple purchased Lighthouse Security Camera Company several years ago. It was founded by one of the people who developed Google Maps and who then sold Google Maps to Google. Lighthouse was the best security camera company and had some incredible AI features. In my opinion, till today none of the security cameras on the market that are accessible to consumers could match the features of Lighthouse.
 
Plutonius said:
It may just be me but I feel paranoid about indoor home cameras.

It seems like anything can be hacked nowadays :(.
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I agree, I only use outdoor and those I care less about. But still only setup up smart home devices on homekit plus have a separate wireless network just for IOT devices. Never hurts to be careful

But clearly anything can (will be) hacked and even despite our best efforts, lots of our privacy is an illusion.

Everyone needs to decide how much they want to give up for convenience etc,

Phillly
 
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A smart camera from Apple will be very successful. Will work well with HomePod. Looks like the 'Home' category of products from Apple will expand significantly.
 
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stocklen said:
pretty unrealistic.

People mostly aren't stupid enough to mount battery cameras so high they need a ladder to change the battery but if they do, they do and its not something that needs doing more than a few times a year.

PoE is completely impractical for the vast majority of potential customers. I, like many others, do not have and have no interest whatsoever reverting back to a spaghetti junction of cables snaking back and forth across the house for a camera that should be perfectly OK using modern wifi standards.

but, affordable... yep not wrong there - if we wish for apple to make their own cameras they wont be pitched to compete with others.
They made the mistake with the OG HomePod and nobody bought it. Only when they launched the mini did it gain any traction in the Market given it was much closer to the competition.
Apple could make their own cameras.... but a camera is a camera and will be a hard sell in comparison to cheaper options that are still... cameras.
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I guess both of you have two different set of requirements.

You need something clean and no wires, that means it would only record when it's trigger by motion due to battery restriction.
The original poster want something that is "set it and forget it", and able to do 24/7 recording.

For me, I need the later, a surveillance camera that is able to record 24/7 with HSV support and bright floodlight integrated. That means it has to be hardwired. The closest thing you can get right now is netatmo smart outdoor camera, but no 24/7 recording.
 
sdugoten said:
I guess both of you have two different set of requirements.

You need something clean and no wires, that means it would only record when it's trigger by motion due to battery restriction.
The original poster want something that is "set it and forget it", and able to do 24/7 recording.

For me, I need the later, a surveillance camera that is able to record 24/7 with HSV support and bright floodlight integrated. That means it has to be hardwired. The closest thing you can get right now is netatmo smart outdoor camera, but no 24/7 recording.
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well, you say that - however 'hardwired' doesn't mean it needs ethernet connection.

It does, of course, require constant power and battery powered cameras can never do this.

However, before my failed experiment with the Logitech Circle View which had constant disconnections, I had for several years a Nest camera. The Nest camera was a wifi camera plugged in to the mains. This camera gave me 24/7 recording and was mostly flawless over the years.

Also, Ring cameras now have the option of 24/7 recording (but only the powered ones I assume) - but the storage costs for that option are very high.
 
stocklen said:
well, you say that - however 'hardwired' doesn't mean it needs ethernet connection.

It does, of course, require constant power and battery powered cameras can never do this.

However, before my failed experiment with the Logitech Circle View which had constant disconnections, I had for several years a Nest camera. The Nest camera was a wifi camera plugged in to the mains. This camera gave me 24/7 recording and was mostly flawless over the years.

Also, Ring cameras now have the option of 24/7 recording (but only the powered ones I assume) - but the storage costs for that option are very high.
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If you are replacing existing fixtures around the house hardwired is the way to go, but if you are putting hardwired cameras up in places where there is no power, low voltage POE is convenient for not having to run normal power lines all over the place. It is also nice that you can power the switch with UPS so you can have recordings even when power goes out (which I guess only matters/possible if you are storing your video locally).
 
Are we really going to get excited about a premium priced Apple camera that does no more than the many great offerings out there while homekit is restricted to 1080. This has to be a joke.
 
stocklen said:
seems like many of these analysts claims don't ever have to come of anything and this is another that seems far fetched.

Firstly, why would Apple want to join the market when so many others are there selling cameras.

Secondly, the Apple cameras will not be pitched to compete price-wise with others and will not sell well - I cant see a camera having some killer feature that others don't do.

That said, there are NOT many decent choices for HomeKit secure cameras out there even now. Apple should make better inroads at getting other manufacturers to make HomeKit secure cameras rather than try to make their own. Change the specs so that its not capped at 1080p for example to make them more attractive devices for people.

I tried the Logitech circle view camera, and it was terrible. Constant disconnections and was offline more than it was online making it useless for security.
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That and also cameras go against the privacy spirit they brag about all the time
 
It makes more sense that a Home Hub would be an Apple Intelligence capable box that could then connect wirelessly to multiple dedicated tablet screens and also to existing HomePods. This would implement secure AI-powered HomeKit and Siri throughout the home without the expense that would be required if each screen and HomePod had to contain AI-capable processors and memory. For you older folks, think ‘mainframe computing.’

This would implement Apple’s goals for advancing HomeKit with secure AI without the hurdle of convincing users that they must spend thousands of dollars buying multiple home hubs and replacing all of their existing HomePods just to get this feature.
 
Hammerd said:
That and also cameras go against the privacy spirit they brag about all the time
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I actually disagree. The privacy they brag about is ours. If we want to keep an eye on our stuff that does not intrude on anyone elses, that is still private. I wouldn't install a ring camera because they have shared feeds with the police (I think even without express consent of owners, but not sure on that).

If the camera feed is fully encrypted, I like that availability. I'm not naive enough to believe it is unhackable but Apple has proven to make it quite difficult. Its usually our 12345 passwords that get us into trouble.

Apple's pitch is we will keep your privacy safe from marketers and anyone we don't want to have it. Nothing more. All I can reasonably expect . For everything else we have to unplug and our privacy is a parital illusion. How many "breach letters" have you gotten this year? I genuinely have lost count.

Philly
 
phillyman said:
I actually disagree. The privacy they brag about is ours. If we want to keep an eye on our stuff that does not intrude on anyone elses, that is still private. I wouldn't install a ring camera because they have shared feeds with the police (I think even without express consent of owners, but not sure on that).

If the camera feed is fully encrypted, I like that availability. I'm not naive enough to believe it is unhackable but Apple has proven to make it quite difficult. Its usually our 12345 passwords that get us into trouble.

Apple's pitch is we will keep your privacy safe from marketers and anyone we don't want to have it. Nothing more. All I can reasonably expect . For everything else we have to unplug and our privacy is a parital illusion. How many "breach letters" have you gotten this year? I genuinely have lost count.

Philly
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I express doubts regarding the stream shared with the police. Especially without consent. It is standard features for years that the stream is encrypted
 
stocklen said:
good to know.
the circle is a nice bit of hardware but useless unless 100% reliable. Do you have literally zero downtime when you look back on the timeline?
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No, they still will kind of randomly go down. Just not too often. I guess I can deal with that for what I use them for... and knowing that they're wifi cameras that were pretty inexpensive. I just set up a a few Unifi cameras / NVR at an office I work for and they are absolutely incredible. Cost > $2000 though. So. Get what you pay for I guess.
 
If the camera works as a continuity camera with an Apple TV for Face Time, I will get one.
 
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