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Apple Again Trails U.S. PC Market in Key Back-to-School Quarter as Tablets Continue to Eat Into PC Sales

9000 said:
Alright, if you don't count recalls as signs of the computer not lasting long, then it's a reliable computer. I point to the hard drive and GPU failures as signs that the 2011 27" iMac is a problematic model, and the fact that Apple did the right thing and recalled them doesn't change that.

There were widespread graphical problems on the 2006 iMac too, but Apple didn't recall them. That's how my beautiful 24" 2006 iMac died.
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And you still ignored the fact when I told you my 2011 27" i7 iMac has been running perfectly. It was not part of the recall however but still, no GPU issues or anything else. Why is it this forum only wants to acknowledge complaints and ignore people with good running machines? :rolleyes:
 
bking1000 said:
worst idea ever.

I am really hoping Mavericks replaces the save as option.
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Good news. I found out that you can do that in Mountain Lion anyway.

defaults write -globalDomain NSUserKeyEquivalents -dict-add 'Save As...' '@$S'

Really stupid that you have to do this, but here it is finally!


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HenryDJP said:
And you still ignored the fact when I told you my 2011 27" i7 iMac has been running perfectly. It was not part of the recall however but still, no GPU issues or anything else. Why is it this forum only wants to acknowledge complaints and ignore people with good running machines? :rolleyes:
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Because your iMac is one vs a large number of affected iMacs that were recalled, and my mom's twice-failed and not recalled iMac more than counters your working one anyway. I think it's failing again, too.
 
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They need to get Mavericks out the door!

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bking1000 said:
No hardware refresh

No new, exciting hardware (how old is the basic MBP formfactor and contruction??)

Mavericks still not released

Still high price points

Windows no longer completely sucks

Shouldn't be a surprise, but something that can be turned around.

They really do, though, need to come out with something new/exciting.
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Windows still sucks
 
Nightarchaon said:
this year i would have bought a mac pro...then they showed us what the new one was going to be, went out and spent the money on a PC

i would have bought a new iMac (used as a monitor for said mac pro, and as a personal PC when the pro wasn't doing stuff), but didn't see the point as apples thunderbolt wont play nice with the PC thunderbolt, so now my old iMac does the job and wont need upgrading again as all it does it web surfing and office.

i would have bough a macbook , air or pro, but inability to replace battery myself, and knowing that my usual life-of-use of a product is greater than apples 3 years then bin it approach ill be getting a nice Alienware with a removable battery for use when im away with work.

I can see WHY apples shares are dropping , Johnny Ive is making apples hardware more like ornaments than useful equipment, i wouldn't buy a car with welded shut bonnet or tyres you cant replace...im not buying a computer i cant easily swap out the Hard disk or ram on (Or battery on a laptop)
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I agree. It's becoming increasingly frustrating to not be able to even open up the latest Apple computing devices to make upgrades. Should it really require a day and the skills of a surgeon to upgrade the HDD, add a SSD or more RAM to an iMac? Apple used to at least make it possible to easily upgrade RAM via a trap door in the bottom. No longer. Macbook Pro's with soldered on RAM that you can never add to for the life of the device seems as a ploy to increase sales of next gen devices. Proprietary SSD's and non-standard schemes that cause dysfunction when you do manage to perform a self update are all very frustrating.

As Apple continues to design wafer-thin designs we start to trade functionality and usefulness for chic-ness. Personally, I don't care that my iMac or Macbook isn't wafer thin. Give me screws and a accessible components so that I don't have to buy a new model every year when my capacity is full.

Enjoy your Alienware. :)
 
kustardking said:
"Do not want one made" is a rather aggressive, active stance. Usually it's people who "want a product to be made", and then those that "wouldn't want it". Note the lack of "made" in the latter. They just wouldn't want it. Are you concerned that your current form factor will disappear, or is yours an ideological position?
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My position is I don't want a slow trend towards the too many SKUs of the 90's to repeat itself at Apple. Jobs got it right with every product having it's place and has to have enough margins to be viable. And I agree with Jobs. 100+ billion in the bank or not, I don't like this trend.

Also I hate product overlaps in Apple. Apple of the 2000's and beyond was all about every product having it's place and being easy to work out which product is for you. Too many products and the average user will have a harder time working out which one is right for them.

In short you can say I don't want Apple's bad past repeating itself. Even if Apple can absorb the mistakes with it's 100+ billion cash, I think it'd be a bad idea.
 
rmwebs said:
It's not about compiling. It's about having the functionality coded up. Look at the libraries that OS X and iOS use - there are rather a lot. If you've got a library giving instructions to the OS, those instructions will not, ever work on another OS - so they would need rewriting from scratch.
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The IOS libraries are irrelevant to the discussion of porting XCode to Windows.

The IOS libraries don't run on Apple OSX, they wouldn't need to run on Windows.


rmwebs said:
Also the iTunes windows version is a different app. The only thing it shares is the ability to connect to your devices. It's not based on the Mac version in any way (code wise).
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Do you have any proof of that claim? That would be counter to the design of just about every other cross-platform app - where you isolate OS-dependent GUI and IO code and keep as much as possible identical on both platforms.
 
AidenShaw said:
The IOS libraries are irrelevant to the discussion of porting XCode to Windows.

The IOS libraries don't run on Apple OSX, they wouldn't need to run on Windows.
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The iOS Simulator relies on those libraries. It doesnt package them within the simulator as it's just that - a simulator. It uses the OS X native libraries. So yes, those libraries would have to be ported and are the most relevant part of the entire conversion.



AidenShaw said:
Do you have any proof of that claim? That would be counter to the design of just about every other cross-platform app - where you isolate OS-dependent GUI and IO code and keep as much as possible identical on both platforms.
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Put it this way, if they were using the OS X Native codebase of iTunes, it would be Objective-C code, just like the current OS X version. Obviously this then uses the Cocoa framework.

If you want an OS X, Objective-C based application to work on windows, you have to use another framework for rendering. However you can use the Cocoa basis for Windows with something like Cocatron and GNUStep.

Given that the contents of the MSI package (nor the installed Windows application) show any evidence of them, or any other Cocoa framwork it means they arent using that.

So when you don't use Cocoa (or in iTunes <11's case, Carbon) you instead need to use something like cygwin. However it doesn't use that either (again, you'd see traces of it in the msi binary content files).

The app for Windows is written in C++.

It shares no common codebase. Sure, they would have ported (And rewritten where needed) bits of code and libraries, but it's codebase is not in any way the same. They are just both designed/engineered to the same spec sheet.

It's been this way since iTunes 7.6. It was the same for Safari 4 when that was brought to Windows - it was completely native, just like iTunes.

Have a quick look through the code, and a look around online. iTunes for Windows is a completely different application to iTunes for OS X. Always has been, always will be.

I'm done here. I realise we're still discussing XCode for Windows but come on, we both know that'll never happen so it's a bit of a dead end debate.

Nice talking to you :)

Edit: Just for clarity as I realise it's hard to read in to what someone types - I'm not being sarcastic.
 
I'm really beginning to believe that Apple really doesn't care about the Mac line. That is not to say that the Macs they do build are not excellent machine, because they are. I've got some!

The first problem as already noted by several posters is that Macs are terribly out of date. As an example check out the number of people on the various mini and MacBook Pro forums who are waiting for Haswell versions despite the fact that many Haswell PC laptops have been available at Best Buy for months.

The second problem is the potential missed markets. For example;

1. The laptop gamer or high-powered desktop replacement, something like the Asus ROG models, 17" mat screen, multiple drives, 4 RAM slots, etc.

2. The enthusiast who wants a non-AIO, desktop something in the $1000 to $1500 range that is user upgradeable for at least storage, RAM and GPU.

3. The video enthusiast who wants an uncluttered desk using an AIO that has both a reasonable amount of storage for normal items and can play the enthusiast's DVD or BD collection without having to digitize everything. It is fun to pop in a disk and play the extra items.

4. The AIO power user who wants easy user upgrade-ability and lots of connections via TB, eSATA, FW, lots of USB3 and a few USB 2.

I can think of others but the above are a few Macs that might have been sold.
 
Apple does fine without the XMac..

Apple has never offered a pro-grade DR laptop it'd be priced so high it'd make your ears bleed. Most people buying MBP don't need want uber GPU's and will likely never need more than 16GB of RAM. The types looking for stuff like that sit on RHEL not on OS X.
 
AidenShaw said:
Shortly Apple will announce the death of the Mac Pro, and the birth of the Mac Mini Pro.

....the XMac

...except without the internal expandability that people wanted in the XMac.
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But it will still have a fire pro and a Xeon but yes it's the death of the MP.
 
Hmmmm...the usual interesting to ridiculous replies in this thread. But that's what I love about MacRumors. It's like a car wreck I can't look away from.

Background: I sell Apple stuff. Have done for 13 years. I'm not an 'internet expert' like a lot of you, but y'know...I do what I can and have been selling Apple gear for a lot longer than there have been 'Apple Stores'.

You know what I sell a lot of?

iPads.

Do I like it? No, because I think they're rubbish for anything more than email and web browsing. Old people love them though and that's kinda awesome. Oldies are empowered by not being scared ******** of technology.

Other than that, well let's put it this way...I look forward to the tablet bubble bursting sooner rather than later. Alas, I fear this is not going to happen.

Wanna know what else sells the most? The entry level 13" cMBP. They outsell every other laptop by 20 - 1.

No exaggeration. 20 - 1.

MacBook Airs sell okay too. They've become quite a good machine, depending on your needs.

Want to know what doesn't sell? (And this is going to blow you internet experts minds) Retina MacBook Pros.

You know why? Because they're overpriced and un-upgradable.

Nobody cares for retina screens. They care for bigger HDD (photos, movies and music) and the ability to put more RAM into their computers later down the track.

The sad thing? Apple will discontinue the cMBP as soon as they can.

Conclusion? Apple WILL get out of the computer market as soon as they can. :(
 
The Bad Guy said:
The sad thing? Apple will discontinue the cMBP as soon as they can.

Conclusion? Apple WILL get out of the computer market as soon as they can. :(
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That's probably a sure bet.

The Mac Mini Pro is proof. It will make Mac Mini users who want to upgrade happy - but the Mac Pro users who haven't already jumped ship will go to HP and Dell rather than get the unupgradeable mess that is the Mac Mini Pro.

Then, citing poor sales, Apple will kill the Mac Mini Pro. Just like the Cube.
 
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