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Just like you didn't know that it may invoke a $6/minute charge when your kids make an international phone call?

Another straw man argument and horrible analogy. Not to mention - if you truly meant "me" personally, you're quoting the wrong person.
 
I bet if Apple supported multiple users on iPhone/iPad and have a "child" mode which explicitly locked out in-app purchases, they would have won both suits.

I have argued/begged for such "child mode" features for years on this forum, Apple's forum, and Feedback to Apple itself. On the forums, I get snarky replies telling me how to manage my kids and/or completely not understanding my request.

One classic example I have asked for is to be able to somehow remove the DELETE feature in the Camera/Photos area. Why? Because when my 4 year old wants to see the great photos we just took, I don't have to be paranoid that maybe, just maybe, he might accidentally (or purposely) hit the Delete icon and then red, candy-like button marked "Delete Photo".

Is this really too hard to ask Apple to apply?...or why they have never thought of this in the first place. I don't expect Apple to write all sorts of code for every possible circumstance for every age bracket under age 25...but come on, Apple...some basic help would be greatly appreciated. An Airplane Mode has been around for 1/2 a decade...let's get a Child Mode please.

And yes, I really do think part of the reason of the missing "child mode" is so Apple can force (force is a strong word I admit) families to purchase multiple i____ devices to workaround the "child mode" software solution.

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No wonder the whole country is full of the sense of irresponsibility and always try to put blames onto others!

I have no idea what my entire quoted post has to do with your reply. Please elaborate.
 
I have argued/begged for such "child mode" features for years on this forum, Apple's forum, and Feedback to Apple itself. On the forums, I get snarky replies telling me how to manage my kids and/or completely not understanding my request.

The cynical view is that it's not in Apple's interests to enable profiles for one device when they can sell multiple devices into families.
 
If a kid could enter a store, take a $100 Lego toy and walk away, and the money was taken automatically out of the parents' bank account, that would be different.

If a 6 year old, goes into kbtoys, grabs a $100 box of legoset, wonders out into the hallway and tears into it playing.

Guess who's paying.

At least with iTunes, cops wouldn't be involved.
 
If a 6 year old, goes into kbtoys, grabs a $100 box of legoset, wonders out into the hallway and tears into it playing.

Guess who's paying.

At least with iTunes, cops wouldn't be involved.

Please give up on your terrible analogy. It's not remotely the same thing to compare a physical store and item with a virtual one and how things can or can't be purchased.
 
Of course putting in bold, caps and raising the font size always makes the opinion more valid too. And scientific!

No, putting it in bold just to emphasize that's THE key for the whole issue. Everyone should be trained the sense of responsibility starting at their infant age.
 
First step on a new iOS device, enable restrictions and make sure add/remove/IAP are disabled before letting little hands play with it. It's not a perfect solution, but it stops random taps in games from being an expensive mistake.
 
I hate to tell you this, Gnasher, but all kids below the age of 12 have dumb moments regularly.

Only means that hey were not punished and rewarded enough before at their younger age.

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Sure, let's blame the "ill-behaviral" kids, lol. And if your well-groomed cat or your college-educated wife accidentally click the Purchase button, you're gonnna suck it up too and chalk the accident to what, exactly?

If you made mistakes, take the responsibility! Go tell the snake in the jungle that you were just making a mistake.
 
Pathetic passive parenting. A dis-ease with children which is growing world wide. Shouldn't get anything because the issue is with the parents who are failing their primary function, which is to keep an eye on their kids. As with all passive parents who fail miserably to do their duty it's always someone fault. They can have kids but it's not their fault for failing to engage their brain to be responsible adults for their children. It's a joke.
 
The cynical view is that it's not in Apple's interests to enable profiles for one device when they can sell multiple devices into families.

Oh I understand. But we're talking about 4-year olds here...and probably up to 7 or 8 years old. There are not that many families that will buy/give an i____ device to a kid under 8 (for a bunch of reasons)....so Apple is not winning any points on that argument.

Even if Apple were to somehow get every kid in American under 8 to have an i____, there's still the lack of "child mode" to easily and quickly disable/severely limit things like Delete features, email access, website blacklisting, etc.

I see both sides of the argument...I'm just still amazed that Apple won't do more to help us Parents give our i____ to our 4year for 30 seconds without the fear/paranoia of a bunch of things getting deleted or writing a blank email to grandma. Even if every i____ were only $1.00 it still wouldn't fix the problem of me giving my kid MY device to look at something I HAVE ON MY DEVICE.
 
First step on a new iOS device, enable restrictions and make sure add/remove/IAP are disabled before letting little hands play with it. It's not a perfect solution, but it stops random taps in games from being an expensive mistake.

Ok - so how do you educate the parent that these options exist and where to find the settings.

Only means that hey were not punished and rewarded enough before at their younger age.

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If you made mistakes, take the responsibility! Go tell the snake in the jungle that you were just making a mistake.


It's sad (to me) you see things as so black and white. And that parenting comes down to punishment and reward. But that's on you.

Pathetic passive parenting. A dis-ease with children which is growing world wide. Shouldn't get anything because the issue is with the parents who are failing their primary function, which is to keep an eye on their kids. As with all passive parents who fail miserably to do their duty it's always someone fault. They can have kids but it's not their fault for failing to engage their brain to be responsible adults for their children. It's a joke.

Right - Apple has no liability here - the courts are completely wrong and having defaults set for IAP to be enabled be damned.

Do you know all the cases of IAP charges and how they transpired? No. Then don't make assumptions that all of them were due to "bad" parenting.

Just wow.
 
I see both sides of the argument...I'm just still amazed that Apple won't do more to help us Parents give our i____ to our 4year for 30 seconds without the fear/paranoia of a bunch of things getting deleted or writing a blank email to grandma. Even if every i____ were only $1.00 it still wouldn't fix the problem of me giving my kid MY device to look at something I HAVE ON MY DEVICE.

We bought an iPad for our twin boys for their 7th birthday. I use it sometimes and they are old enough not to bother with my apps as all they want to do is play games and watch Michael Jackson videos, and I have enabled the parental content setting. What they are not old enough to be is fiscally responsible - see my earlier post about how I lost £997.60 (and got it back again).
 
Obviously not many parents among the Apple fanboys here. And for the sake of everyone, please keep it that way.
 
When Touch ID is relatively universal then I think these accidental IAP purchases will be effectively stopped. Unless the parent adds their child's fingerprints to unlock the device (bad idea).
 
1)I was saying "likely"...I don't work for Apple or the government to give a 100% certain answer.
2)The government doesn't sue you unless you break (or alleged to break) a law.
3)90%+ of the time when a company settles out of court, there is guilt, yet the settlement wipes away the guilt. Apple and the government knew that if they went to court, both parties would be spending time and money to get through the lawsuit. Now, Apple knew how much $$/fines they would be paying if they lost the suit...and obviously it was substantially more than $32mill otherwise Apple would have fought it. But Apple didn't fight...they worked with the government to come up with a fine/settlement that was high enough to avoid the aggravation of going to court. If Apple knew that it had a good chance of winning the suit, Apple would have fought. Period.


The open-hearted love letter that Tim wrote, in my eyes, is BS...he knew the email would be on the internet within minutes of hitting SEND so he wrote it this way so the sheeple can say "awwwww. whatta nice guy. he took one for the team"

1. What makes you think it's likely, without basing it purely on supposition?
2. That's really a non sequitur
3. Source? (90% of statistics are made up on the spot)
 
I started using punishment and rewards when they were just 1, and increased their sense of responsibility little by little. I never worry about them making troubles to me now. They have learnt to "think again" since they were 6. I plan to encourage them to have more sense of "take more risks for chances of bigger rewards" after they enter the college.

But this isn't necessarily a problem where kids are misbehaving. There's nothing wrong with my 4 year old playing games on my iPad and there's nothing wrong with him not understanding IAP and that it costs money. If the system allows him to do it, he doesn't know he's doing it, and I don't know it's even a problem then that's what we're debating. People spouting off that others don't know how to manage their kids make it evident that they don't know what they're talking about.
 
But this isn't necessarily a problem where kids are misbehaving. There's nothing wrong with my 4 year old playing games on my iPad and there's nothing wrong with him not understanding IAP and that it costs money. If the system allows him to do it, he doesn't know he's doing it, and I don't know it's even a problem then that's what we're debating. People spouting off that others don't know how to manage their kids make it evident that they don't know what they're talking about.

Clearly you have an ill-behaving and trouble making kid; you're an idiot parent who can't control their own child and hasn't rewarded and punished them accordingly to get them to behave exactly how you want.

/sarcasm
 
Only means that hey were not punished and rewarded enough before at their younger age.

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If you made mistakes, take the responsibility! Go tell the snake in the jungle that you were just making a mistake.

If you don't see the difference between mistake and accident then of course you've every right to be obtuse.
 
The whole idea is so wrong. Just because Apple saved a lot of money over the last 12 years doesn't mean that it should pay for the mistakes made by the kids (or the parents). It's just like ENFORCING your neighbors with strong savings habit to cover your burglary loss caused by you leaving your house doors open.
 
Clearly you have an ill-behaving and trouble making kid; you're an idiot parent who can't control their own child and hasn't rewarded and punished them accordingly to get them to behave exactly how you want.

/sarcasm

My daughter has had my iPhone for playing games and this hasn't happened once. We keep a close eye and now she's eight we also ensure that she's clear that she doesn't just accept an alert to buy more gold coins for any of her games. So sorry but do not understand how this can be anyone else's issue but ours as parents. the more we hold ourselves accountable the more we can ensure these issues are as infrequent as possible.

As for the sarcasm thats fine no issue with that at all, hell makes it all the more interesting but your last sentence is just a tad too much of an over exaggeration.
 
But this isn't necessarily a problem where kids are misbehaving. There's nothing wrong with my 4 year old playing games on my iPad and there's nothing wrong with him not understanding IAP and that it costs money. If the system allows him to do it, he doesn't know he's doing it, and I don't know it's even a problem then that's what we're debating. People spouting off that others don't know how to manage their kids make it evident that they don't know what they're talking about.

If you expose your kids to dangers beyond their comprehension ability, it becomes your own mistake. Either way, it's the family's responsibility to eat up the consequence, don't take it for granted that someone else with big pocket HAVE TO help you.

Of course, as a convention, just as a convention, Apple is supposed to help if it's the first time that family makes such a mistake, but that's only when Apple wants to show that it is a friendly company, not really out of its responsibility.
 
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