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One of the best episodes. A brilliant cautionary tale that perfectly demonstrates how technology is destroying our humanity.

This idiot Apple employee's comments also make me think of an episode of the Outer Limits (the 80s version) where everyone got an implant as a kid and no one learned how to read or write, because they could just download whatever information they needed from "the stream" (a global wireless data network). A small percentage of people couldn't have the implant and they were essentially ostracized. The main character lived in a crumbling library and could read. Everyone more or less ignored him. Then "the stream" started to malfunction and kill people with excessive downloads to the brain. No one knew how it worked anymore so no one could fix it. Humanity was completely dependent on the tech. Eventually it had to be turned off and the outcasts who couldn't have the implant were suddenly the most valuable members of society because they could read and actually retain information.

Awesome post. Show also sounds good, Ill have to check it out. I also agree technology is destroying our humanity.
 
I want to forget everything! Memory is a baggage! Not all our past are glorious :) Let our own action determine the retention ability than using AI to strengthen it further!!
 
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I don't like this because of how easy it would be to subtle manipulate a population. The gamut of possibilities are endless. Companies could manipulate the data in ways to gain more business, and political organizations could manipulate elections.

Say you could bump into your friend John on the street. Your AR display has some information about John floating next to him. It pops up with an alert next to him that says "John's birthday is in three days. He really loves Dairy Queen's Ice Cream Cakes! Would you like to order one?" even if John doesn't really like those cakes, or maybe he likes ice cream cakes but not necessarily Dairy Queen ones—perhaps Cold Stone instead. But whoever pays the most to the puppet master gets the order.

Then there are more nefarious things, such as subtly inducing a population to vote a certain way through slight suggestions. For instance, when walking down a street, it could tag a few more strangers than normal in your city as being of Mexican origin (and it knows who are strangers to you), and if a candidate has a strong platform against immigration, it could influence the election. Or it could use geofence based manipulations to get votes in areas that are leaning one way or the other, or target people of a certain race who would respond to a message in a certain way. There are all sorts of weird manipulations you can do when everything in the world has metadata that is constantly logged into a huge system.

Furthermore, aren't some things just meant to be forgotten? Do we need every single thing logged? You know, forgive and forget. Do you want metadata reminding you about horrible things as well? What if it only shows positive things—is that just as bad and could lure us into a false sense of security? How does this manipulate our emotions, even unintentionally? I feel like it's part of the human experience to forget things—sometimes to only be reminded of them many years later when encountering a certain smell or voice.

I obviously see the upside to a system like this. But when we set out to design it, it's smart to realize the downsides so we can try to protect against it. Something like this has the potential to vastly enhance mankind and allow us to break free of some of our limitations and create a more peaceful society with more access to resources. But I'm also a student of history and anything with this much potential for power will likely be corrupted at some point.
 
"He believes computers should log every aspect of our lives, allowing us to remember every person we've met and every aspect about them, like favorite sports, family members, and name pronunciation."

I'm not sure I would want that since no matter what privacy assurances you have once the data is stored somewhere it becomes possible to pierce the veil of privacy; wether it's by a court order, a flaw in the protection, malicious action by a third party with access to the data, a desire to make money off of it so in exchange for X you have to agree to share it, etc. Your entire life would essentially be open to scrutiny without the benefit of context and subject to second guessing or worse.


Maybe he should start with just addressing Siri's failings.

And I know some people will hate me for saying it, but also Tim's failings!

I don't know what you mean by "siri's failings". Do you mean "Alexi's failings?"
 
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I don't like this because of how easy it would be to subtle manipulate a population. The gamut of possibilities are endless. Companies could manipulate the data in ways to gain more business, and political organizations could manipulate elections.

Say you could bump into your friend John on the street. Your AR display has some information about John floating next to him. It pops up with an alert next to him that says "John's birthday is in three days. He really loves Dairy Queen's Ice Cream Cakes! Would you like to order one?" even if John doesn't really like those cakes, or maybe he likes ice cream cakes but not necessarily Dairy Queen ones—perhaps Cold Stone instead. But whoever pays the most to the puppet master gets the order.

Then there are more nefarious things, such as subtly inducing a population to vote a certain way through slight suggestions. For instance, when walking down a street, it could tag a few more strangers than normal in your city as being of Mexican origin (and it knows who are strangers to you), and if a candidate has a strong platform against immigration, it could influence the election. Or it could use geofence based manipulations to get votes in areas that are leaning one way or the other, or target people of a certain race who would respond to a message in a certain way. There are all sorts of weird manipulations you can do when everything in the world has metadata that is constantly logged into a huge system.

Furthermore, aren't some things just meant to be forgotten? Do we need every single thing logged? You know, forgive and forget. Do you want metadata reminding you about horrible things as well? What if it only shows positive things—is that just as bad and could lure us into a false sense of security? How does this manipulate our emotions, even unintentionally? I feel like it's part of the human experience to forget things—sometimes to only be reminded of them many years later when encountering a certain smell or voice.

I obviously see the upside to a system like this. But when we set out to design it, it's smart to realize the downsides so we can try to protect against it. Something like this has the potential to vastly enhance mankind and allow us to break free of some of our limitations and create a more peaceful society with more access to resources. But I'm also a student of history and anything with this much potential for power will likely be corrupted at some point.
OMG, you're describing life as designed by Facebook. :eek: There goes my lunch!
 
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Amazing. "the difference between a life of isolation and one of dignity and connection" will be an Apple product. What a coincidence, that. And the person who "believes" this is an Apple employee. Wow, an even more amazing coincidence.
 
There is a reason why we don't have Total Recall. It protects our soul (mind for the non-spiritual crowd).

This is a relief-valve for the hard-drive in our heads. Build too much pressure, and it pops.

But hey, SCIENCE! Do it! Just because we can! :rolleyes:

This all reminds me of Jurassic Park, somehow.
 
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Well some of us write letters or thank you notes to people who empowered or inspired us. When you actually take time to thank someone who has helped you, it fixes the event and person in your memory. Some of us end each day in prayer or meditation or reflection to give thanks for the good things in our lives and reflect on what went wrong and how we can do better tomorrow.

These are mental exercises that keep our healthy and help stave off depression (along with whatever professional treatment one is receiving for clinical depression). And they help us celebrate our humanity.

If we rely on machines for such things, we are letting an essential part of our humanity slip away. I can't elaborate more on this without slipping into PRSI territory. But I will end by saying as much as I enjoy technology, or I would not be on this forum, the transhumanist movement alarms me. I hope our society will always make room for those of us who would prefer to abstain from that level of merging our lives with technology.

But I have my concerns that there will be strong bias and possibly even persecution of us "Luddites" who will seem too slow and a drag on society compared to augmented humans. I think our technology may be moving too fast for us to fully contemplate and prepare for all of the consequences to our species, and certain freedoms of the mind and concepts of privacy of the mindspace that already I see young kids incapable of conceiving.

Also, I want to point out that it is through our flaws and mistakes that we learn, we grow, and advance. In suffering we learn empathy, in making mistakes we learn humility, in forgiving others their flaws we learn grace and generosity. What is to become of our life lessons if we augment all the rough patches out? Already we are seeing problems with people who were raised to have all the rough patches and hard lessons of life smoothed away.

The term "Millennials" has become for some a perjorative to dismiss an entire generation that can't cope with hardships or offense because they were never taught how to. I refuse to dismiss an entire generation when these problems exist in every generation among individuals who were coddled and pandered to.

Edit to add: I don't see a particular problem with Gruber's proposal to help people with dementia or schizophrenia keep track of their lives.

I, like you, believe deeply in humanity and our very unique ability to make decisions. When I first thought of AI, it freaked me out to know that humanity might one day be destroyed by AI. But wait a minute, did I make such assumption because of sci-fi movies? I believe so.

I begin to read more about AI, since it is inevitable that it is the next big thing, and billions are spent on the research on it. I found out that, from what I read, AI could do very well in things we couldn't, like memorising huge chunks of data. We could relocate thousands and millions of photos we take in the future in ease, since each day we are creating so many data. There is no way we could remember all those data we have created.

I'd like to think that AI could actually enhance our lives, and it does not necessary need to replace us. The only thing to worry about is AI falling into the hands of bad guys, who would use it to spy on us :(
 
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"He believes computers should log every aspect of our lives, allowing us to remember every person we've met and every aspect about them, like favorite sports, family members, and name pronunciation."





I don't know what you mean by "siri's failings". Do you mean "Alexi's failings?"

You are kidding right? Have you used Siri? How about you use google now and siri at the same time, and then come back and talk with the big boys.
 
You are kidding right? Have you used Siri? How about you use google now and siri at the same time, and then come back and talk with the big boys.

Woosh....

Note: Please check the [Sarcasm] tag on your borrower. it appears to be inoperative.
 
AI augmenting us, make us incapable & lazy.
Us being incapable & lazy, increases the need for AI.

You're not thinking about it accurately. Humans are dynamic, and so is the future of human development. People of the future will not just become extremely lazy due to widely available information (this can be seen to a certain degree already). They will instead start to focus on higher level of intellectual thinking, and become more like Grey aliens are today. This includes psychic and more specifically psionic powers as our next step.
 
HumanOS 1.0 (beta)

Known bugs:
- Some instances of "Free Thought" have been detected
- In rare cases "Suggestions" have been ignored, sometimes leading to "Free Thought"
- Issues in HumanOS "Cooperation" can sometimes lead unexpected activity
- The "Fear and Purchase" algorithm needs to be more opaque
 
Siri on my Mac? Oh yeah. Never used it since the only thing Siri can sucesfully do is not possible on the Mac: Setting a timer.
 
Great. So now when I have some embarrassing memory from 10+ years ago, I can no longer tell myself "Stop worrying about it, you are probably the only one that remembers that." Instead I'll tell myself, "Oh yeah, that was awful and it's also well documented by ______ and they have 24/7 access to that memory that they probably pull up every now and then to get a laugh."

I feel sorry for the kids in middle school and high school today. It's bad enough they are given access to YouTube and Facebook to document a few of their regrettable moments. In a decade every single regret will be documented and categorized, haunting them until the day they die.

Judging by this NSFW thread on Reddit, I think selective long term memory is something virtually all people can sometimes appreciate :)
 
You're not thinking about it accurately. Humans are dynamic, and so is the future of human development. People of the future will not just become extremely lazy due to widely available information (this can be seen to a certain degree already). They will instead start to focus on higher level of intellectual thinking, and become more like Grey aliens are today. This includes psychic and more specifically psionic powers as our next step.
You wanna hear something freaky? I keep reading about someone...I think it was Elon Musk--or was it Zuckerberg?--who wants to develop technology that intercepts our thoughts right before they are processed into speech and have them routed to an AI interface instead, so we can control our communications that way.

Well in the past couple of years my daughter and I noticed people are already doing something weird like that. One person will suddenly blurt out something right before another person was just about to say it. The funny thing is that the person who did the blurting insists they weren't planning to say what was said but it suddenly popped into their minds and out of their mouths before they could think about it.

She says it happens so often at school the kids are starting to freak out about it a little because it's kind of a new thing. These kids grew up together from age 2-5. My husband and I are constantly doing that to each other almost daily now. We never really used to, it was a rare thing when it did happen. My parents are noticing it, too.

What the heck is going on? I wonder if there is some kind of technology being tested already. I know for damn sure I'm nobody's psychic friend. But even I do it a lot to everyone now. I will just blurt out what they were about to say or I'll suggest getting some food someone else was craving that I don't even care for. Jeez that's creepy as hell.

If I we all were doing this all our lives it wouldn't make much of an impression but it's kind of new. Are we mutating under a constant bath in wifi signals or something?

However, I can't say I've noticed any higher level intellectual thinking going on. Just more bad jokes and suggestions we get pizza.
 
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