They don’t charge for the iCloud password manager. Apple’s push is to get you to buy Apple hardware and software comes with the hardware, but the draw of both software and hardware keeps you buying Apple devices.
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Apple Aiming to Replace Passwords With New Passkey Feature
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Different story altogether.
I have been f#%* subscribed to Apple and their stuff since Steve hooked me up.
I surely have payed plenty for my Macs over the years, but subscriptions, ah well iCloud.
Otherwise, Apple charge for their products, not that much for service, that I use at least.
"Yet" ... "yet" my friends
Apple is going in a certain direction and it's towards more and more things on subscription
I think you might be on to something.
Thinking about how much time one has to spend fiddeling with passwords – even with a password manager to assist – I think it all is very clumsy and I absolutely think we will look back thinking how much time people spent messing with passwords.
A lot of time if you combine all password users in the world.
I'm skeptical about PassKey. I find KeyChain sometimes fails—websites won't recognize the password, or KeyChain and the website have lost their ability to interact. Thus even though my passwords are saved in KeyChain, I also always save them manually in a document on the encrypted drive on my Mac. When KeyChain fails, I look up the password in that doc, and enter it manually.
The problem would seem to be that, when PassKey fails, since it doesn't use passwords, you won't have a password to look up and enter manually.
The problem would seem to be that, when PassKey fails, since it doesn't use passwords, you won't have a password to look up and enter manually.
That is true. A person could get locked out of a website or account if there is some kind of screw up with KeyChain.
How is a person going to log into a website from a public computer at a library?
1Password will be forgotten soon. Not because of this Fido stuff but because they chose to build an average app that has a lot of issues, from reading their reddit support page. Plus they went subscription only and lost many loyal customers in the process.
Or they'll say it's your generation that got us into this mess. Who knows but sure time will tell.
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I’m not a fan of the subscription changes, but I totally disagree with your characterization of their app and service quality.
This is such a bad idea. Same as Apple sign in is a bad idea.
You should always possess and control your identity and credentials independent of any vendor or provider. Thus I will always use my domain specific email address when registering for something. And I will always use passwords generated and stored in keepass. Granted I keep them in keychain too.
This is to mitigate the risk exposure of my apple ID being destroyed or locked intentionally or otherwise. I would instantly lose access to both my identity and all my credentials which means more than just losing stuff I signed up for but my online banking, AWS, HMRC (tax), ebay seller account, mobile phone provider, internet provider, github, credit file etc.
To put it bluntly with this dependency on passwordless in place I would be utterly and totally screwed and entirely at the mercy of one vendor.
You should always possess and control your identity and credentials independent of any vendor or provider. Thus I will always use my domain specific email address when registering for something. And I will always use passwords generated and stored in keepass. Granted I keep them in keychain too.
This is to mitigate the risk exposure of my apple ID being destroyed or locked intentionally or otherwise. I would instantly lose access to both my identity and all my credentials which means more than just losing stuff I signed up for but my online banking, AWS, HMRC (tax), ebay seller account, mobile phone provider, internet provider, github, credit file etc.
To put it bluntly with this dependency on passwordless in place I would be utterly and totally screwed and entirely at the mercy of one vendor.
Yes it is... "To recover a keychain, a user must authenticate with their iCloud account and password and respond to an SMS sent to their registered phone number."
So a passwordless system that relies on a password if it fails.
As I've said here and on other forums, this is a great step forward in reducing the need for passwords but it does not eliminate the need for ALL passwords.
Because all of this will happen over night. And how will this work on other platforms? Password Managers are going to be around for a while yet.
Where has this idea gone?
US carriers create single sign-on service that could end passwords
AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizon have teamed up to create a single sign-on service that could mean you won't have to use a password manager or remember your (hopefully strong) login credentials for every app on your phone. The carriers say Project Verify can authenticate your logins by...
www.engadget.com
Yet. Give it time.
I really don't have much faith on this feature. We have had biometric authentication for years yet Apple insists on requesting my Apple password on my MacOS repeatedly. My wife logins to my MBP, I can't use Touch ID to login it even though I was already logged and I am forced to use my account's password. I want to look at a device location on icloud.com I am forced to use my Apple ID password again. I want to see my orders on apple.com, password again! It's really infuriating the amount of times I am forced to login to Apple services again, and again, and again.
Try to restore an iPhone from an iTunes backup and count the amount of times you need to enter your Apple ID password, it's madness! I use banking apps to transfer thousands of £££ to other people on my iPhone and after an initial login on the device all I need is to use is Face ID. Same for Apple Pay. Yet Apple doesn't apply the same trust on biometric authentication to their own services.
So before I even think in using Passkeys I would like Apple to eat their own food and remove all this nonsense from their services and embrace biometric authentication. So for me Passkeys are dead until Apple decides to use them for my Apple ID! That day I will trust them in the mean time I will use an external password manager.
Try to restore an iPhone from an iTunes backup and count the amount of times you need to enter your Apple ID password, it's madness! I use banking apps to transfer thousands of £££ to other people on my iPhone and after an initial login on the device all I need is to use is Face ID. Same for Apple Pay. Yet Apple doesn't apply the same trust on biometric authentication to their own services.
So before I even think in using Passkeys I would like Apple to eat their own food and remove all this nonsense from their services and embrace biometric authentication. So for me Passkeys are dead until Apple decides to use them for my Apple ID! That day I will trust them in the mean time I will use an external password manager.
They do have a lot of issues. The app itself has been in beta for year or more now. It went from a native mac app with 1P7 to an electron app where you have to login in every single 1P8 instance before that you used to type your master password once, the mac app is unlocked as well as 1P browser extensions. Now that's no longer possible. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Because all of this will happen over night. And how will this work on other platforms? Password Managers are going to be around for a while yet.
Where has this idea gone?
US carriers create single sign-on service that could end passwords
AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizon have teamed up to create a single sign-on service that could mean you won't have to use a password manager or remember your (hopefully strong) login credentials for every app on your phone. The carriers say Project Verify can authenticate your logins by...
Yet. Give it time.
True.
But small favor. Never compare Apple to a phone company. LOL!
Also, this is a new standard. Google etc... its going to take off.
A long beta is irrelevant
Heck…I’d argue every single iOS release is in “beta” most of its lifecycle
The 1P App is a joy to use for me, cross platform
It's a service in iCloud. You don't need to pay for iCloud, there's a free tier. Now, if you need to backup these keys to the cloud, it may take up space and you may want to upgrade your storage tier. But to use it at all will be free.
You get a 5GB basic storage when you sign up with iCloud then there's this constant reminder that your storage is almost full. There's a reason that they kept it at 5gb and never increased since 2011 because majority of users will upgrade and pay.
I'm glad you like it. I use 1P7 it's also compatible with ios mac windows and android and hosted locally.
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Slightly off topic, but I was really hoping we were going to see an increase in the storage in each of the tiers announced at WWDC. I'm upped to 200GB, but am pushing that now-a-days. Always felt you should get a "free" 5GB for each active device you have rather than by account. So say you own two Macs, an iPhone, and two iPads. Your "free" tier should be 25GB not 5GB.
Seems extremely unlikely as the German and UK governments are government level members. And several European companies are involved.
Was a touch surprised to see BitWarden in there.
All it takes is one EU company to lodge a complaint for "measures" to be taken.
I have my doubts with this assessment. They seem to have a superior product and are hugely popular in the marketplace, and involved in these Fido alliance things too.
How to passkeys work?
E.G. if you log into a site not on your mac (say at work) and don't have your phone, can you still do it?
E.G. if you log into a site not on your mac (say at work) and don't have your phone, can you still do it?