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Don't be insulting.

It's not information about you. It's anonymized. And you can stop even that. Read the damned website.

Either you're being obtuse on purpose or have missed my point. The fact that a user can control how much they are targeted or not does not negate the fact that Apple does, indeed, collect enough information about you in order for iAds to be able to be targeted.Just like any other ad delivery service.

Given iAds popularity however, I wouldn't (as a consumer) be too worried :)
 
I'm skeptical on that. Same with iCloud. I'm sure Apple can view anyones iCloud content anytime they want to. It's why I don't use iCloud or any other "cloud" service.

I won't comment on iCloud - not because I'm distrustful but just because I don't know.

But I strongly believe that FaceTime and Messages cannot be read by Apple. Please see my recent post for more detail.
 
No, not just like any other.

There is no way that Google is using an advertising identifier that can be reset like Apple does. It's a big difference.

Don't be insulting.

It's not information about you. It's anonymized. And you can stop even that. Read the damned website.

Ok. Live in your fantasy world. It's all good. Parameters or not - if iAds is able to deliver ads for a fee to a specific demographic, that data comes from somewhere. You figure it out.

I'm not saying they are better or worse than anyone.

Have a lovely evening.
 

No. Not like those. I can find nothing on the Google page that is like what I'm talking about.

The Facebook one gets closer. I'll give them credit for doing more than I thought they were. But they too lack the same option Apple is offering.

I'm not saying they are better or worse than anyone.

And that's what I'm arguing against. Apple is clearly giving us more options than Facebook or Google are.
 
No. Not like those. I can find nothing on the Google page that is like what I'm talking about.

The Facebook one gets closer. I'll give them credit for doing more than I thought they were. But they too lack the same option Apple is offering.



And that's what I'm arguing against. Apple is clearly giving us more options than Facebook or Google are.

You said to not expect a page like that. Not a policy. No matter.
 
Lovely obtuse answer. You mean this page? http://advertising.apple.com/


Again - how do you think Apple delivers an audience to the advertiser?

Why did you purposely go to the wrong page to pretend that you had a point? "That website" obviously means the mini-site referenced in the article, and "that website" has a section dedicated to managing your privacy, which includes limiting iAd tracking. Who's really being obtuse here?

To cover off the question asking how they track you: Before Apple banned it, ad servers used UDID to track you. That is a unique hardware identifier that cannot be changed. Once they have that, they can track your device for eternity. In its place, Apple has provided an advertising identifier (IDFA) that can be reset by the user at anytime (or limited as mentioned above). This process is also described on "that website".
 
Why did you purposely go to the wrong page to pretend that you had a point? "That website" obviously means the mini-site referenced in the article, and "that website" has a section dedicated to managing your privacy, which includes limiting iAd tracking. Who's really being obtuse here?

To cover off the question asking how they track you: Before Apple banned it, ad servers used UDID to track you. That is a unique hardware identifier that cannot be changed. Once they have that, they can track your device for eternity. In its place, Apple has provided an advertising identifier (IDFA) that can be reset. This process is also described on "that website".

Actually unintentional. I thought he was referring to the page I linked. Still doesn't change anything. If they serving ads based on demographics , they are collecting it. How long they keep them or method is pretty irrelevant to the conversion.
 
Actually unintentional. I thought he was referring to the page I linked. Still doesn't change anything. If they serving ads based on demographics , they are collecting it. How long they keep them or method is pretty irrelevant to the conversion.

Being able to turn the tracking off and getting served anonymous ads is pretty damn relevant.
 
Google deletion of history

How do I delete my history from Google searches, and switch to another search engine. The ads creep me out when I see them targeting exactly what I do for a living, or what I have bought/searched for in the last month. I do not use Google in any other facet, I.E. gmail etc.

Lastly, I really want to believe :apple: and their transparency, as Cook said on Charlie Rose, they are being more open then in the past.

In closing, what search engines are you using now that plays along with this apple privacy?
 
I think the one thing people really make the mistake on is editing their settings before really digging in and using their phone. Editing iCloud settings so pictures and personal items aren't exposed to the cloud is or starters.

The first thing I do when I get a new apple device is edit these settings and the only thing I have transferred to iCloud is my apps and contacts and nothing more.

What do you take pictures of?
 

Just going to that page alone creates a cookie in my Safari browser (which is always void of anything related to that Global Surveillance Company, GSC). Matter of fact is, I've turned on "Ask websites not to track me".

Glad the only email I have that still goes into that now abandoned GSCmail is spam mail. Eat up all the spam you want, Eric! ;)
 
They should turn this message into a commercial. Both an amiable trait and a great jab at Google. And with privacy at the forefront of many peoples minds these days, it might just resonate more than the typical commercials we've seen recent featuring the hands of Justin Timberlake, etc.
 
One thing that I think they worded interesting is this bit:

Apple has no way to decrypt iMessage and FaceTime data when it’s in transit between devices

I read this as it's encrypted when I send and when the other party receives it, however, for that time that it's sitting on an Apple server, it's readable.
I believe that you misunderstand it, but it's also possible that I do. But I don't think so.

My understanding is that Apple intermediates the setup between the two endpoints but is then not involved in the subsequent messaging. The messages (FaceTime or whatever) are encrypted with ephemeral (transient) keys established during the setup, and known only to the endpoints. So the messages travel encrypted end-to-end and Apple does not have the key. Only you and the recipient have them.

Another possible way to do this would be for the traffic to be encrypted using one key between you and Apple servers, and then re-encrypted using another key between Apple servers and the destination. In this scenario, the messages would be readable while on the Apple server during the intermediate phase. Apple has specifically said that this is NOT what they do, despite some obvious operational simplicity.

In the interest of full disclosure, I must point out that some security analysts have pointed out that there is a possibility in this scheme for Apple to subvert the key-agreement process and obtain a copy for itself of the agreed key. I agree that this is possible but Apple has unequivocally denied that it does this, and I am prepared to accept that assurance. If we accept that as true then there is never any "readable"(plain-text) copy of the message except at the source and destination.

If this tech crunch article is to be believed, then your initial thoughts were closer to the truth. Apple cannot read your messages unless they lift the private keys from your device itself, and there's no reason to believe they have created, or want to create the ability to do that.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/27/apple-explains-exactly-how-secure-imessage-really-is/
 
Apple should simplify those password rules into only two, and lead us out of the dangerous age of passwords that you expect to memorize.

• Your password must be long.
• Your password must be randomly generated.
 
Glad to see this, i hope they continue in this direction. Time will tell if this focus on privacy will hurt them in the long run. Google may end up having features from using peoples data that Apple can't compete against. Should be interesting to watch.
 
I'm skeptical on that. Same with iCloud. I'm sure Apple can view anyones iCloud content anytime they want to. It's why I don't use iCloud or any other "cloud" service.

Not really. It depends on what the purpose the service was created. Most companies including the beloved Facebook and Google+ take ownership of your data for their own purposes and give you access to it on their servers. The terms of service allows them to do what they want because it's that data that the have to figure out how to monetize to stay in business. Every Android device was meant to be a drone serving that singular purpose. To provide unfettered access to consumer data that if were the government there would be marching in the streets.
When you have a model that is based on high profit hardware, there is no need to see the data. Actually Apple Pay is proof they don't need the data, they don't keep you card info, they facilitate the transaction, but a token that is issued by the bank is stored on the device.
 
Perhaps I'm naive, but I really believe Apple. If you look back to the iPod, which the only thing they could really 'build' around the standard Apple ID was the music they purchased (I'm aware there were a few other online products), they made huge dollars off of the devices alone. Not much is different these days. Their hardware (and now the iTunes store and other software) nets them a fair amount of loot. If their business model was failing, then I would start worrying about them trying to make money off of their user data. But right now, their hardware/software combos are driving their business without any need for user data to help them along. Even their iAd business was built to help application developers, not themselves.
 
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