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I'm skeptical on that. Same with iCloud. I'm sure Apple can view anyones iCloud content anytime they want to. It's why I don't use iCloud or any other "cloud" service.

That means you don't use email? Email is the cloud service that is most likely to contain sensitive private data. Or is 100% of your email encrypted?
 
Actually unintentional. I thought he was referring to the page I linked. Still doesn't change anything. If they serving ads based on demographics , they are collecting it. How long they keep them or method is pretty irrelevant to the conversion.

But they're not serving ads based on demographics. They're serving ads based on an anonymous ID number that includes no other data about the customer. Why do you think iAds is so unpopular with advertisers??

They can only begin to use effective targeting as they gather data on how effective certain ads were for groups of certain anonymous ID's. They can then compare that to other demographic based data they already have from another source, and "guess" or derive the demographic of the anonymous ID's from that analysis. But all that it worthless if the anonymous ID is reset by the user.

The system is a huge departure from the data mining business model of other ad systems.

Again, why do you think iAd never became a smash hit with advertisers?

Apple can block iAd targeting on users under 13 only to the extent that the device being used is coupled to an AppleID of that minor. If, like my kids, their devices are signed in using the parent's AppleID, then of course Apple doesn't know about them at all.

In light of this, I think Family Sharing is a huge plus, because now I can create AppleID's for my kids, and put the same credit card on them and still share all the purchases, plus it makes it super easy to track what they are purchasing, from a parent's point of view.
 
I feel better now.
Hope that's sarcasm. ;)

Apple made a cute little webpage saying they're the good guys? How adorable. I'll believe every word they wrote, kittens and rainbows... :rolleyes:

There needs to be federal oversight of tech companies, LEOs and the NSA before privacy is taken seriously. But instead for the past decade we've voluntarily lived in a surveillance state and the government has done everything in its power to exploit that. No one can be trusted to do their jobs anymore. Everyone's failed.

This website's as big of waste of data as their employee & environmental responsibility pages.
 
That means you don't use email? Email is the cloud service that is most likely to contain sensitive private data. Or is 100% of your email encrypted?

That is a thread-winning post. +1 to you! The most overlooked, dimissed, and dangerous cloud service there is, email.

The medium used to initiate 99.9% of all viruses, trojans, malware and phishing schemes in existence.

Anyone who uses email already uses the cloud. The term is just a new one for expanded online services.
 
Don't be insulting.

It's not information about you. It's anonymized. And you can stop even that. Read the damned website.

dont waste your time. imo, some user(s) derives pleasure from attacking apple in every possible way.
 
Hope that's sarcasm. ;)

Apple made a cute little webpage saying they're the good guys? How adorable. I'll believe every word they wrote, kittens and rainbows... :rolleyes:

There needs to be federal oversight of tech companies, LEOs and the NSA before privacy is taken seriously. But instead for the past decade we've voluntarily lived in a surveillance state and the government has done everything in its power to exploit that. No one can be trusted to do their jobs anymore. Everyone's failed.

This website's as big of waste of data as their employee & environmental responsibility pages.

That's a beautiful sarcasm, Mr Fusion ;)
 
Well kind of stupid in my opinion to call it out. While their business model might not be about using info to target ads, how do they explain iAds and how they work?

iAd is a tool to give developers access to ad revenue for freemium/ad-supported apps without Google.

Truth is - iAds hasn't been a success and they would have really liked to have a revenue stream (not business model) like Google and other ad delivery platforms have. But they don't.

Did you even bother to follow the link? http://www.apple.com/privacy/manage-your-privacy/

I've read enough of your posts here and on AI to know you aren't this daft unless you're intentionally choosing to be.
 
If you loose a finger you might as well cut the whole hand off?

Huh? Not sure I understand what you mean. He stated that he doesn't use cloud services, so I asked him if that implies that he doesn't use (unencrypted) email - which is a cloud service.
 
Apple should simplify those password rules into only two, and lead us out of the dangerous age of passwords that you expect to memorize.

• Your password must be long.
• Your password must be randomly generated.

In case you haven't been keeping up, the conventional wisdom is being turned on it's head: http://xkcd.com/936/

That said, the real weakness is the "security questions" frequently used to reset passwords, more than weak passwords themselves. If your mother's maiden name or your father's middle name can be looked up on Ancestry.com, or your birth date is on your Facebook profile, or your favorite sports team is obvious from your Twitter posts, then it's far easier to reset a password than to try to guess it.
 
Either you're being obtuse on purpose or have missed my point. The fact that a user can control how much they are targeted or not does not negate the fact that Apple does, indeed, collect enough information about you in order for iAds to be able to be targeted.Just like any other ad delivery service.

Given iAds popularity however, I wouldn't (as a consumer) be too worried :)

Maybe their iAd didn't take off or wasn't as successful because they have set many parameters which they don't negotiate on which maybe are too restrictive for such a revenue stream/ business model...
 
Apple made a cute little webpage saying they're the good guys? How adorable. I'll believe every word they wrote, kittens and rainbows... :rolleyes:

You have an account on a website that posts rumors and leaks about things that Apple would like to keep a secret on a daily basis.

But you can still believe that Apple can lie about this without any of their 98,000 employees leaking documents to the press that prove that it is a lie?
 
There needs to be federal oversight of tech companies, LEOs and the NSA before privacy is taken seriously.

Federal oversight of governmental agencies? You can't be serious. What we need is a few tech companies willing to push back. Like it or not, that's the mission here.
 
But they're not serving ads based on demographics. They're serving ads based on an anonymous ID number that includes no other data about the customer. Why do you think iAds is so unpopular with advertisers??

They can only begin to use effective targeting as they gather data on how effective certain ads were for groups of certain anonymous ID's. They can then compare that to other demographic based data they already have from another source, and "guess" or derive the demographic of the anonymous ID's from that analysis. But all that it worthless if the anonymous ID is reset by the user.

The system is a huge departure from the data mining business model of other ad systems.

Again, why do you think iAd never became a smash hit with advertisers?

Apple can block iAd targeting on users under 13 only to the extent that the device being used is coupled to an AppleID of that minor. If, like my kids, their devices are signed in using the parent's AppleID, then of course Apple doesn't know about them at all.

In light of this, I think Family Sharing is a huge plus, because now I can create AppleID's for my kids, and put the same credit card on them and still share all the purchases, plus it makes it super easy to track what they are purchasing, from a parent's point of view.

This... Well put sir... Couldn't have put it better myself...
 
In case you haven't been keeping up, the conventional wisdom is being turned on it's head:
Actually, I think it's been known for quite a while that long passwords can be better than cryptic ones. I guess the problem is that most people are too lazy to type long passwords, so we stick to 8-digit-passwords which then have to contain as many "weird" characters as possible. ;)
That said, the real weakness is the "security questions" frequently used to reset passwords, more than weak passwords themselves. If your mother's maiden name or your father's middle name can be looked up on Ancestry.com, or your birth date is on your Facebook profile, or your favorite sports team is obvious from your Twitter posts, then it's far easier to reset a password than to try to guess it.

Completely true. This kind of disclaimer should preceed every security question entry. People go through these security questions as if it's some kind of quiz where they win a million bucks if they answer correctly. In the end, the answer does not have to be correct. You just have to be able to remember it. One could make it a rule to always answer "Bacon chocolate cupcake" for every security question, and that's already a million times better than always answering truthfully.
 
No, not just like any other.

There is no way that Google is using an advertising identifier that can be reset like Apple does. It's a big difference.
Right.
Most of their ads tracking is done using cookies, that you can delete at anytime. they even explain it here :
http://www.google.com/policies/technologies/ads/

You can also disable ads tracked from the google activity here :
https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads?


But since it's google, they're obviously evil :rolleyes:
 
This is good but they need to make it easier for the users to see and handle what devices are logged in to what services and the abillity to lig out on another device. And also some sort of two step verification for imessage as well.
 
Our business model is very straightforward: We sell great products. We don't build a profile based on your email content or web browsing habits to sell to advertisers. We don't "monetize" the information you store on your iPhone or in iCloud. And we don't read your email or your messages to get information to market to you. Our software and services are designed to make our devices better. Plain and simple.

"Except where we demand an arbitrary 30% cut and censor content that we have nothing to do with, because we can by exploiting our platform's DRM in an anti-competitive fashion."

"Or when we're putting U2 in your library without permission. Then you're totally the product."
 
Good for them. As much as people dismiss the idea of privacy being important anymore, it's still important to me and I'm glad that Apple cares about it. It's one of the reasons why I minimise my use of other services and use Apple instead.

Hear, hear! Not that I think Apple's perfect, and the US governement and NSA don't have other ways to grab data in various neferious ways, but Apple is really taking a stand - and that I appreciate! USA should be aware of a lot of people in Europe is getting tired of the orwellian surveillance state USA is pushing (via the terror threat they themselves are creating through destabilizing countries and giving rebels weapons - which then gets into the hands of extremists). If Apple wants to keep expanding their markets in other parts of the world (Europa, Asia), this is a very wise (and commendable) move.
 
Huh? Not sure I understand what you mean. He stated that he doesn't use cloud services, so I asked him if that implies that he doesn't use (unencrypted) email - which is a cloud service.

Of course you are correct, but you are also a little bit nitpicking. With emails I have to push the send button each time I want to send something (unless I have a virus/trojan, etc.). The common user will think of cloud sevices as the offers of google/apple/dropbox and all the others where, depending on the settings, which many common users might never touch, much much more stuff is uploaded automatically, without the direct control over each message or file by the user.

Just because one uses email doesn't mean it's no difference if he starts using other cloud services if that user is concerned about privacy.
 
Do we believe this story 100%

So any terrorist around the world should be using Apple products, as Apple have now stated they are 100% secure and impossible to be spied on?

That's the story, yes?
 
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