I don’t know, the SIM card is still very much used in many countries. It seems a bit premature to think about removing it, if you ask me.
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Apple Allegedly Preparing for iPhones Without SIM Card Slot by September 2022 [Updated]
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Don’t panic, you will still be able to have two lines on your iPhone. 🖐 The speculation here is that they might become two eSIM lines, vs nano-SIM and eSIM as it is now.
I’m sure if it happens it will be a dual or multi e-sim solution and the implementation will be much improved. I think they’ll implement a method of user swapping to another phone and configuration of each of the e-sims dependant of factors such as current locstion.
I think this will force the phone industry world wide to adopt e-sims, in this way it’s a good thing for consumers
I think the modem cost is too high in apples opinion currently, once apple has developed their own chip then we’ll see it first on iOS devices and then on Mac laptops.
Aus Telco only allow eSIM in-store iirc. Good luck trying to get a new iPhone while outside business hours.
Who says there won’t be a user method of swapping from one phone to another with some sort of 2 factor authentication?
I haven’t used dual-SIM on Android in years because Verizon kept screwing it up and it would never work correctly. When it worked just fine with the iPhone, I haven’t bothered trying Android again. Yes, the most annoying thing with dual-SIM on iPhone is that I can’t have two lines going at once, which is incredibly inconvenient. Everything else has worked well though. I might try Android again just to see how it works. I’m not sure why you’re doubting I use it much. I use it all day long every day. I’ve just never had a good experience with trying to get it to work on Android. I’m glad that it does actually work because I don’t like being locked into the iPhone for this feature. But that’s why the discussions are good. I’ve had a good experience on iPhone, but bad on Android and you’ve had the opposite. My fav phone was the Samsung Note 10. Only reason keeping me on iPhone was the crappy dual SIM experience on Android.
🤦♂️ Carriers don't make iPhone specific SIM cards. There are other handsets that use nano-SIM cards.
Actually there are. We have that in Ukraine. I can choose a phone number and have it on my phone in 10 minutes (but what is odd we do not have Apple Watch e-sim, but I am afraid it is just an Apple problem, maybe they do not consider this as a big enough market to try).
But I agree with you, a lot of countries do not have that. In Germany, it is the same stupid thing as that. You can only get e-sim on contract. But SIMless iPhone would change it in no time.
You must not be on AT&T's Cricket wireless pre-paid service then because they don't support eSIM, nor does Metro by T-Mobile or Tracfone (now owned by Verizon).
I could be wrong, but it seems India is one of the few to do that. There is one provider there where (technically, according to their website) users can ask for an eSIM straightaway. What’s the ground situation, no clue.
They can be, going forward, with iPhone 13 already enabled with dual eSIM capabilities.
@EmotionalSnow which part of this are you disagreeing with, might you tell?
I’m interested in knowing if you’re disagreeing with the convenience with which you can swap physical SIM lines between phones in a household.
When is Apple going to solve a REAL problem, like Touch ID under the screen now that everyone will be back to wearing 3 masks again?
Verizon doesn’t support esim for prepaid account. That’s going to be an issue when I upgrade.
When Apple (fana)(luna)tics would stop orgasming about every unnecessary whim doled out on the public by Apple, they would likely start focusing back on the essence that made Apple.
It will be interesting to see how FirstNet handles this. They are SIM only at this time.
Either they will go out of business if it’s a matter of principle for them to be physical SIM only, or they will finally put money in the business and bring it on par with others and be compatible with eSIMs.
I use an e-sim for my main phone number. However, there are also some disadvantages to fully abandon sim slots. One of them is the possibility to fast switch the sim on another phone (and then switch back). For e.g.: you decide to use a cheap phone in some cases instead of your latest iPhone 13 Pro (e.g. when going to the beach, the sand can easily scratch it, and if you go to swim someone might steal your high-end phone), when your battery is dead and you want put the sim on a friend phone... also, when I go in a foreign country, sometime a native friend lends me its data-only sim for few days, then I give it back. It is too complicated to do it with an esim (it takes times, sometime you need to pay to reactivate, sometime you need WiFi...)
While I think this is a progressive move going forward... I'm almost certain that the European countries are going to sue Apple for "removing access to the ubiquitous and ever-standard" SIM cards.
Technically it has already happened:
IPhone 13 support either eSIM + nanoSIM or 2 eSIMs.
Pre-paid is being phased out because carriers prefer us to be in their pocket for a larger amount every month.
I’m saying I prefer SIM cards. It’s very convenient when getting a new device or having multiple devices. SIM-swapping is a huge convenience for me. I’m not sure if that convenience will disappear if they get rid of SIM cards. Unless all of that was asking EmotionalSnow, then never mind!
There is lots of negative feeling about eSIMs and, until we know the details of how they will be handled by all carriers and devices/software, I can easily go along with many of them.
However, we just might end up with some advantages!
Imagine being able to effectively retrieve the eSIM from a phone that has been lost or destroyed, and not having to await delivery or pickup of a new physical SIM. Indeed, just being able to immediately kill an eSIM on a stolen or lost phone. Or switch an eSIM from the phone we have left at home to the iPad we have with us or a cheap or borrowed, temporary replacement phone. Or being able to buy an eSIM from our holiday destination weeks before we travel.
My cynicism about carriers is such that I'm not hopeful of anything that requires them to be helpful, especially if there is the possibility of losing revenue. But we can hope until proved otherwise.
However, we just might end up with some advantages!
Imagine being able to effectively retrieve the eSIM from a phone that has been lost or destroyed, and not having to await delivery or pickup of a new physical SIM. Indeed, just being able to immediately kill an eSIM on a stolen or lost phone. Or switch an eSIM from the phone we have left at home to the iPad we have with us or a cheap or borrowed, temporary replacement phone. Or being able to buy an eSIM from our holiday destination weeks before we travel.
My cynicism about carriers is such that I'm not hopeful of anything that requires them to be helpful, especially if there is the possibility of losing revenue. But we can hope until proved otherwise.