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No, it's pronounced OS "Ten" because the X is a Roman numeral of ten.

Steve, Phil, Tim, Bernard, none of them call it OS "Ex", it is OS "TEN".

Say, "OS Ex" or "OS X" fast enough and it sounds like "Over Sexed" :eek:;):p:D

:apple: is trying to tell us something, "Sexy Hardware and Software" :D
 
forget the "ten" already, it is "OS X". To repeat myself, "ex", not "ten".
You can repeat yourself until, well, you're blue in the face. But it is OS Ten. Never has been OS "Eks". ;)
Even the all mighty Jobs says OS Ten and he is known for some pretty, shall we say, idiosyncratic pronunciation… remember Jaguar? Jahgwaaaire? WTF?

What a silly article. Does anyone think the OS team goes home for a year or so after a major release?
I agree.
How is this possibly "news"?
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Nice. It'll be interesting to see if they can regain the lead in consumer operating system functionality.

Maybe some pressure from Win7.

Cannot believe I am saying this but I have no problems using Win7. Maybe its just a change that I am preferring.
 
I agree.
How is this possibly "news"?
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Not sure if this is news or not, however according to my understanding there are two teams that work on Mac OS X.

Team One was working on OS 10.1 while Team Two was working on OS 10.2, then when OS 10.1 was released, Team One works on OS 10.3 and so on and so forth. This is why you will notice that with some OS 10.x release it offers speed and others feel like feature filled bloat ware.

That means OS 10.7 has been in development for a while, and its news because ppl were not sure if it would be called OS 11.0.

I remember that Jaguar was fast, Panther was slow, then Tiger was fast, Leopard felt sluggish and now Snow Leopard feels decent again. If this is the case OS 10.7 will be feature rich, however will not compare to Snow Leopard as far as speed goes. The Dev Team already mentioned that it will focus on feature with one release and refinements with the following release. This was the case following OS 10.1

I still remember OS 10.0, so many bugs however it looked beautiful for its day. A decade goes fast, and Apple has been focusing more on a "HUD" style UI leaving the 3D look in the past. It will be missed. :(
 
QuickTime

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A new operating system but they can't even get QuickTime right.

How about using some of those bright minds to bring out QT X Pro instead of a new operating system?
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A new operating system but they can't even get QuickTime right.

How about using some of those bright minds to bring out QT X Pro instead of a new operating system?
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Quicktime 7 was using old old technology from all prior versions of quicktime. It's not that simple to rewrite an entire application from what it was ever since it was released and include all the features the previous one had. You can't simply just port over old features because it was completely changed for the better. When I mean completely changed I mean completely changed. Wait until 10.7 for the QuickTime Pro features to be included in QuickTime X.
 
Quicktime 7 was using old old technology from all prior versions of quicktime. It's not that simple to rewrite an entire application from what it was ever since it was released and include all the features the previous one had. You can't simply just port over old features because it was completely changed for the better. When I mean completely changed I mean completely changed. Wait until 10.7 for the QuickTime Pro features to be included in QuickTime X.
I completely agree. Apple took a bold step when they created QuickTime X. Trouble is, though they got some things very right, the stuff they got wrong is bafflingly wrong.
Maybe an example will make my point clearer: Why are the playback controls stuck INSIDE the content window? That just seems dumb to me - what if you, for whatever reason, wish to advance the movie frame by frame? Then, the playback controls get in the way.
 
Quicktime 7 was using old old technology from all prior versions of quicktime. It's not that simple to rewrite an entire application from what it was ever since it was released and include all the features the previous one had. You can't simply just port over old features because it was completely changed for the better. When I mean completely changed I mean completely changed.

I've heard all that bs before.
It's not completely changed for the better until it includes "Pro."
As matter of fact, QuickTime X is completely useless to me. I have deleted it from my computer.

Wait until 10.7 for the QuickTime Pro features to be included in QuickTime X

Oh yeah, wait for 10.7 when it should have been included in 10.6.
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I predict when 10.7 comes out people will claim 10.6 was one of the best releases ever and there is no need to upgrade.

It's called the previous release was better because one or two things don't work with the new release syndrome. Witness Tiger better than Leopard, Leopard better than Snow Leopard etc.

...and so it begins
Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua
Aqua has had 10 years (since announced). I think something different and would be nice. It could build on much of the UI work done for iLife/Pro Apps and other trends started by 3rd party developers.
2. iTunes going Cocoa? Hopefully, although no need to ship a new OS for this.
3. Filesystem
Hope so, although building one from scratch is very different to integrating an existing open source project where much of the design and the development has taken place.
4. Touch enabled Probably unlikely.
5. Resolution independence Makes sense to do this with a new UI - as in all 3rd party apps would have to change anyway
6. Serial number/activation coming? Hope not.
7. What will it be called
8. When will it ship and how many delays? Within 18-24 months
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively? Unlikely, but possible.
10. Minium specifications?
Drop Core Duo/Core Solo support (maybe). So only 64 bit intel chips are supported. This rules out the early intel machines. Of course Apple may wait another release before doing this.
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize.
The behaviour needs to be consistent. Zoom or full screen. Not both.
12. How much will it cost?
Back to standard pricing. Or Apple may go slightly higher, depending on the user facing features.
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot. So those 512x512px icons in Snow Leopard really do make a difference

Besides, Snow Leopard will still be usable on your Mac just like OS9 still works on some older Macs! I'm sure software developers won't immediately abandon making updates for that version of the operating system. They'll at least continue for a few months, anyway.

System 6 – Mac OS 9 just got a twitter client. And a project has started to make a Gecko browser for OS 9. Why do you people always believe the glass is half empty? :D

The other (probably more important) reasons for dropping PPC support from 10.6 were:
- fat binaries for all the user applications contain two rather than four executables, resulting in 10.6 taking less disk space than 10.5.
- no need to compile and test PPC versions. This speeds up the build times, allowing more time for development during the development cycle and it allows Apple to reassign QA engineers from PPC to Intel.

I think only the second reason is valid. The first point is not as valid because Apple could have easily checked during installation the architecture of the machine and installed the correctly compiled binaries.

If a mapped drive on Windows disconnects, that mapping stays there, persistent, and reconnects automatically if a program or user accesses it. It's transparent to the user and, ironically, very Mac-like.

I just hope someone at Apple recognizes that for the massive Achilles' heel it is and fixes it in 10.7. There has to be a better way than what OS X does now.

Couldn't agree more. There's so many things wrong to go into detail. The awful connection dialog, unexpected disconnects, putting shortcuts to network locations in the Finder sidebar, lack of read/write S/FTP support. And it has barely gotten better since 10.3. So little thought and attention put into this area.

The performance is terrible as well. I don't think they could have a slower implementation of WebDAV if they tried.

The only time when you can work ahead is when you write some completely separate application.

Or if they are building proof of concepts that something could work, but not integrating it into the OS codebase yet.

Nice. It'll be interesting to see if they can regain the lead in consumer operating system functionality.
Highly subjective. Debatable Apple have lost the lead. And I'm not saying Windows 7 (which I'm guessing is what you are referring too) isn't good (it is), but there are things Mac OS X includes that Windows 7 doesn't or can't (for whatever reason, legal or otherwise). Granted the reverse is true also, in that some things Windows 7 has are missing from Mac OS X (like bit locker).

If Windows 7 included everything in Mac OS X and was as clean and simple, then yes, I would say Apple had lost the lead. It is probably a tie (assuming you compare one of the fuller versions Windows 7 (like Home Premium).
 
I've heard all that bs before.
It's not completely changed for the better until it includes "Pro."
As matter of fact, QuickTime X is completely useless to me. I have deleted it from my computer.

Oh yeah, wait for 10.7 when it should have been included in 10.6.
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Ok, well I couldn't really care less that you find it useless because in the scheme of things sticking with the old quicktime technology would've been one of the dumbest mistakes they could've made. You can always say should've, would've, could've until you're put in the developers shoes and realize what you are trying to tackle is something very large.
 
I've heard all that bs before.
It's not completely changed for the better until it includes "Pro."
As matter of fact, QuickTime X is completely useless to me. I have deleted it from my computer.
Oh yeah, wait for 10.7 when it should have been included in 10.6.
Even if the QuickTime X Player is useless to you (which I could understand, if you depend on features of QuickTime 7 for your workflow), deleting the application from your computer is just asking for trouble with software updates, particularly QT-specific updates.

That said, I also think there should be an easy way to change all of QuickTime's associations to QuickTime Player 7 in Snow Leopard, for people in your situation. The lack of such a feature makes life harder for people like you.
 
It better not be called Lynx.

The jokes here in the UK would be awful given that Lynx is synonomous with the cheap deodorant bought by teenagers.

Good point, although given that the "Lynx effect" causes nubile young women to rip their clothes off and throw themselves at you (adverts never lie, right?) it might be a good thing for us Mac users who are the wrong side of 50 :D ;)

As for "Ex" vs. "Ten", I always thought it was pronounced "Ex", and "Oh Ess Ex" sounds way cooler than "Oh Ess Ten". Oh, and I once heard someone call it "Oss Ten" :rolleyes:
 
what if you, for whatever reason, wish to advance the movie frame by frame? Then, the playback controls get in the way.
Depends why you're doing it, I suppose. So far, just being able to move the controls out of the way of whatever part of the frame I'm interested in has sufficed for me.
 
I think only the second reason is valid. The first point is not as valid because Apple could have easily checked during installation the architecture of the machine and installed the correctly compiled binaries.
That's a good point. However, your suggestion would complicate the installation procedure (possibly reducing reliability) and would require significantly more space on the install DVD. If it would require a 2 DVD installation, then my point has considerable validity.
 
You mean they've finished 10.6, put out a couple of service releases, and now they're starting 10.7? Say it isn't so! I can see why this is front page news.

And here I was assuming that Steve would have the entire OS team sitting on their hands for the next several months.
 
That's a good point. However, your suggestion would complicate the installation procedure (possibly reducing reliability) and would require significantly more space on the install DVD. If it would require a 2 DVD installation, then my point has considerable validity.

Leopard had universal binaries on and it was a single DVD. As the footprint of Snow Leopard is smaller… well.

The Snow Leopard installer is very complex anyway. For example:

* A reinstallation will not affect your Mac OS X version number. In other words, reinstallation of Mac OS X 10.6 on a Mac that contains Mac OS X 10.6.1 (when it becomes available) will not overwrite any new components delivered by 10.6.1. So when the re-install is complete, you will still be running Mac OS X 10.6.1. This will save users considerable time. (Hence the "registering components" message you now see.)

* If a power outage occurs, installation will pick up from where it left off.

If they can add this stuff, then I don't see that adding selective installation of binaries would be beyond the realms of possibility for the installer team.
 
It better not be called Lynx.

The jokes here in the UK would be awful given that Lynx is synonymous with the cheap deodorant bought by teenagers.

People said the same of the Wii, but it's a popular console anyway. The jokes might have helped with the marketing.
 
Apple had to drop ZFS due to licensing issues when Oracle bought Sun but Apple has since taken on a File systems developer so it looks like they are going to create something internally. They had a job posting for the position recently.
Maybe Apple will deliver "WinFS" with the ragline "You've seen the dream, now live the reality."
 
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