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Apple Already Working on Mac OS X 10.7 Development?

HONDAxACURA said:
Oh WOW! Already?! Well good for them. More time to make it perfect! Let's hope it will be $29 again! :D
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Perfect? :rolleyes:

It will be an an ongoing public beta like previous OSX releases were, with the the exception of 10.5, which was relatively stable and free of serious data wiping, sytem crashing or beach balling bugs.

Sorry, L/SL were way buggier than Vista. 10.7 is analogous to W7. Hopefully it's as good as W7.
 
Full of Win said:
...and so it begins

Debate topics to look forward to
1. Marble interface or Aqua
2. iTunes going Cocoa?
3. Filesystem
4. Touch enabled
5. Resolution independence
6. Serial number/activation coming?
7. What will it be called
8. When will it ship and how many delays?
9. Will it run iPhone apps natively?
10. Minium specifications?
11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize.
12. How much will it cost?
13. Can someone give me the phone number of the chick on the icon of PhotoBooth.app, the glasses so hot.
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I swear, if we have to wait till 10.7 for Quicktime to not suck and iTunes to go 64-bit...

I honestly can't believe we haven't seen any sort of update to Quicktime X yet since Snow Leopard's release. It's as if they've decided they're going to stick to having Quicktime X be simply a lightweight player that only does the bare minimum, and for most file formats, not even that, natively.
 
Bubba Satori said:
Perfect? :rolleyes:

It will be an an ongoing public beta like previous OSX releases were, with the the exception of 10.5, which was relatively stable and free of serious data wiping, sytem crashing or beach balling bugs.

Sorry, L/SL were way buggier than Vista. 10.7 is analogous to W7. Hopefully it's as good as W7.
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Win 7 is about where Leopard was a year ago. It's no Snow Leopard.
 
baryon said:
This is the way OS X works. Windows is a Window-centric system while OS X is an App-centric one. This means that Windows make it look like each App is a window, while OS X makes it look like each window is part of an invisible App. If the menu bar wasn't unified, each window of an App would have to have a menu bar, adding clutter.

I think OS X will stay App-centric, which means that they have to have ONE menu bar for the entire App, as the menu bar represents the App itself, and the windows are just sub-units of the app. This reduces clutter too.
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A single menu at the top of the screen is also better from a MMI perspective. It presents a much larger mouse target since I just move my mouse upward - I can't move my mouse too far, because the top of the screen prevents m from overshooting. If the menu is in the window I have to aim for a narrow little strip. Useability testing shows that the top-of-screen menu results in much less user fatigue and in more user productivity.
 
So anyone have a comparison of a previous OS X version at about xA47 to see how long they took to get from 47 to release?
e.g. 11A47 -> GM in the 12 months, 18 months? From the length of time from release of current OS to announcement of next OS, it's usually 9 months, isn't it? Someone did a table showing the lengths. Would put official word around Feb-> WWDC time?
 
t0mat0 said:
So anyone have a comparison of a previous OS X version at about xA47 to see how long they took to get from 47 to release?
e.g. 11A47 -> GM in the 12 months, 18 months? From the length of time from release of current OS to announcement of next OS, it's usually 9 months, isn't it? Someone did a table showing the lengths. Would put official word around Feb-> WWDC time?
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10.7 would probably go gold next Sept. thereabouts.
 
calvin2006 said:
Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade. With the abandonment of PowerPC and now Snow Leopard officially ending any upgrade path for PPC, it seems reasonable to think that the next OS version will be something more radical, perhaps even the blueprint for the next decade. Could this deserve a new version number like XI, or is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker? At any rate, I think 10.7/11.0 will be a major overhaul of the UI and OS, while 10.6 was a way to pacify power pc users so they didn't get too excited about being left out of the next OS.
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I do. But the next version is already out: it's the iPhone's OS. Apple wants a cut when you buy a piece of software, buy a song or watch a movie. With OS X you can buy DVDs, CDs and software and use them on your computer without paying Apple for it. With the iPhone's OS, everything goes through Apple. I can't image Apple not working on transferring the iPhone's business model to the Mac. They can't do this overnight. I think they'll get a toehold into a controlled App Store system but for desktop software through the mythical Tablet and once that system has matured transfer it to the Mac. Think about it: whatever you want to do with your iPhone (watch movies, listen to music, download apps) Apple gets a cut for it. That's not the case with OSX. Apple resists adding blu-ray to Macs because they don't make money when users buy blu-ray disks; they make money when they download the movie through iTunes, or do you believe the notorious "bag of hurt" excuse?
 
What else would Apple's Mac OS X engineers be doing? They were likely working on .7 before .6 was shipping. I'd bet a few of them are working on projects that will goin into .8

At work, my software as installed and used in production is .13 and my "do to" task list of new features covers .14, .15 and .16 Mostly I work on the .14 stuff but I do have to take a longer view and figure out where we are headed long term.
 
calvin2006 said:
Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade. With the abandonment of PowerPC and now Snow Leopard officially ending any upgrade path for PPC, it seems reasonable to think that the next OS version will be something more radical, perhaps even the blueprint for the next decade. Could this deserve a new version number like XI, or is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker? At any rate, I think 10.7/11.0 will be a major overhaul of the UI and OS, while 10.6 was a way to pacify power pc users so they didn't get too excited about being left out of the next OS.
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The only reason why you would throw away a piece of software and start completely from scratch is because that software was poorly designed or implemented and its more work to fix it then it is to rebuild it.

Thats why they switched from the old mac systems to the new unix based mac os.

They may name it OS 11 or OS XI and you might have a more radical changed in the UI, but I highly doubt apple will be throwing away OSX any time soon.
 
um... duh?

Nah, you know Apple:

"WOW guys! great job with Snow Leopard! What a great OS. OK, you know what? How about let's take a year off, kick it, go on hiatus, learn to surf, get your flying license, you know, just take this year to find yourself that you missed between engineering school and working here at Apple. Have a great time, and when you get back, we can start talking about what we might want to do with 10.7. So once again, thanks for all your hard work, and... catch you on the flip side!"
 
glennyboiwpg said:
The only reason why you would throw away a piece of software and start completely from scratch is because that software was poorly designed or implemented and its more work to fix it then it is to rebuild it.

Thats why they switched from the old mac systems to the new unix based mac os.

They may name it OS 11 or OS XI and you might have a more radical changed in the UI, but I highly doubt apple will be throwing away OSX any time soon.
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Exactly. At this point it's a mature system and developers know how it works. All you can do is make it more secure, efficient, and add features.

Of course, a future system should always be under development, but in a backburner sorta way.
 
!¡ V ¡! said:
I remember that Jaguar was fast, Panther was slow, then Tiger was fast, Leopard felt sluggish and now Snow Leopard feels decent again.
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Strange; I rememnger that Puma was sluggish, Jaguar was decent, Panther was fast. Then came tons of features with Tiger, and the early days were horrible and the latest Tigers were decent. Then came tons of features with Leopard, and the early days were horrible and the latest Leopards were decent. Now this shiny new Snow Leopard is fast again.

It may have something to do with hardware.

I was using Puma/Jaguar/Panther with a 667MHz G4 PowerBook (never got a chance of using Tiger with it, as its display broke before its intro), and OSX become faster and faster over time.

Then I bought 1.25GHz G4 PowerBook that came with Tiger, and also used Tiger/Leopard with Quad G5 PowerMac and 2.2GHz MacBook Pro. Never used Leopard with the G4 PowerBook, but PM and MBP both became much faster with the later Leopard builds compared to Tiger.

Now I have Snow Leopard installed on the very same MBP together with Quad Mac Pro, and both are faster with SL than the latest Leopard.

so...

In my book Tiger/Leopard era was a definite setback in terms of performance. There were tons of new features introduced, which evidently ate performance for breakfast. I'm so happy with this new Snow Leopard which instantly brought back good memories from Puma->Jaguar and Jaguar->Panther upgrades.
 
zombitronic said:
No, just X. There's nothing in the build number to indicate XI.

Example:
  • 10.0.0 = 4K78
  • 10.1.0 = 5G64
  • 10.2.0 = 6C115
  • 10.3.0 = 7B85
  • 10.4.0 = 8A428
  • 10.5.0 = 9A581
  • 10.6.0 = 10A432
  • 10.7.x = 11A47
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Fair enough, it doesn't indicate XI on the strength that the code is 11, but if the next version were to be XI then what would the code be? would it revert back to 1 instead? It could still be 11A47

It is possible for XI isn't it? with multiple rumours of a itablet next year surely it is possible we may see a redesigned interface to implement touch interface or to intergrate iPhone OS.

And with Windows 7 it would be hard to sell a version 7 of OSX without being percieved by some like they are behind the times. I'm for Ocelot :)
 
...Apple is already working on the next version of OS X, presumably to designated Mac OS X 10.7.
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"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
- Edward Norton in Fight Club

I also bet that Microsoft's Windows dev team is also already working on Windows 8 or whatever they're going to call it. Just like Canonical are already working on Ubuntu 10.4 and the Fedora Project is already working on Fedora 13.

What do you folks expect? That there is a long break after a product release where nobody is doing anything and everybody just hopes that this was going to be the final product that will be sold unchanged for all eternity? Usually the next couple of succeeding products are already on the drawing board before the current product is being shipped. In each software development cycle comes the time of a feature freeze, and after that all new ideas are being saved for the next version. And some companies even work on two versions of a product at the same time - for example, Microsoft did that with Internet Explorer 3 and 4.

So this is hardly worth noting. It's just the typical annoyance with Apple's ridiculous secrecy. While other companies ANNOUNCE new products and new features and even give away free public betas (like Windows 7), Apple only fires some vague rumors about science fiction products. Or they talk about magical new features that are nowhere to be found in their products. Where were the 300 new features in Leopard, by the way? I remember Time Machine and Quick Look (which still is a killer feature, I must say). But where was the mysterious rest? I never found anything worth mentioning.

Anyway. Maybe 10.7 will fix the broken wireless LAN that Snow Leopard so amazingly introduced. After all, every new OS X release is only what other companies give away as service packs. Only that Apple charges for them.
 
Do we have to go all the way up to 11.0 before we get a completely new UI overhaul?

I appreciate the stability and wonderfulness that is the current OSX platform but I am also for killing Aqua.
 
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