Apple Among 60 Companies to File Statement with U.S. Supreme Court Backing Gay Marriage

[unobtainium]

I have had to stop using the N word even though my grandma used it in a non-attacking way. I objected, but I was overruled. By yet another style of societal PC.

Culture in general is being degraded in our society by secularism, and a lack of ethics, and "situational ethics".

There's no law saying that you can't use the the "N" word. The reason it's not "PC" to use that word is that it has long been used as a hateful, derogatory expression, and for that reason it makes many people uncomfortable. Apparently you have no problem with making people uncomfortable, so go ahead and use it all you want. Just be prepared to deal with other peoples' "freedom of speech" in response.

By the way, why do you want to use it? Do you find it more descriptive than "black" or "African American"?

 

[Aragornii]

How the hell is this any concern of Apple's?

 

[FreeState]

My point is that the term marriage is religious in nature

No its not - look up the history of the word and the institution.

http://www.defshepherd.com/2012/02/redefining-history-myth-of-marriage-as.html

 

[bradl]

How the hell is this any concern of Apple's?

As already mentioned, this has healthcare implications, which would make it every person's and company's problem.

BL.

 

[olegandbuster25]

ewww

and tim is gay too? didnt know that
even more eww
never been more dissapointed in apple.
gotta make sure and go add to my apple tattoo (while steve was CEO)
so no one thinks i support this sodomy

oh well hopefully their products never reflect this choice

 

[likemyorbs]

So since we are breaking this barrier, I can marry my dog now right?

I've never heard this argument before. Did you come up with it all by yourself? Well it's a good thing you did because I think I speak for everyone when I say you just totally changed our views on gay marriage. I am now against it. Thank you so much for enlightening me, how could I have been so blind?

 

[cmwade77]

How the hell is this any concern of Apple's?

At first I was going to post something like this, but upon thinking about it, people and companies for that matter should stand up for what they believe in. If we don't stand for something, we will fall for anything.

That being said, I do commend Apple for standing up in what the believe in. I happen to disagree with them, but I support their right to promote what they believe in. Just I was expect those that disagree with the opposite view point to support their right to express and promote laws that would be in line with what they believe in.

The problem has typically been that those that do not support Gay marriage are considered to be filled with "hate" and have been the victims of many crimes as a result. Don't believe me? Just look at Chick-Fil-A and what happened with them.

I said at that time, if a company disagrees with my viewpoint on this or any other issue, I would express that I disagree with them politely, but would respect their right to their viewpoint and to express it.

 

[likemyorbs]

I agree that they are not equal. How about allowing one man to marry a woman and another man? Or a woman to marry 4 men. Or a man to marry 2 women? In each scenario you are still allowing 2 human beings to marry each other. I don't agree with saying that's the same as marrying a dog but I do think it is comparable to saying that any two consenting adults should be able to marry each other.

If you can settle the tax benefit and divorce issues, then fine. Part of the reason polygamy is illegal is because it would be an IRS disaster. If that can be figured out, I couldn't care less how many people you marry. I wouldn't do it myself. I also wouldn't have a same sex marriage myself, but I certainly support your right to.

 

[Rocketman]

By the way, why do you want to use it in the first place? Do you find it more descriptive than "black" or "African American"?

The vast majority of blacks in the USA are only partially black at this point. However 100% of them are USA American. NOT African-American at all. Let's at least give them the citizenship respect they have earned.

 

[thehustleman]

At first I was going to post something like this, but upon thinking about it, people and companies for that matter should stand up for what they believe in. If we don't stand for something, we will fall for anything.

That being said, I do commend Apple for standing up in what the believe in. I happen to disagree with them, but I support their right to promote what they believe in. Just I was expect those that disagree with the opposite view point to support their right to express and promote laws that would be in line with what they believe in.

The problem has typically been that those that do not support Gay marriage are considered to be filled with "hate" and have been the victims of many crimes as a result. Don't believe me? Just look at Chick-Fil-A and what happened with them.

I said at that time, if a company disagrees with my viewpoint on this or any other issue, I would express that I disagree with them politely, but would respect their right to their viewpoint and to express it.

Great point on chick fil a.

Man stands up for what's right and people act like he's doing something wrong.

 

[likemyorbs]

As long as Apple doesn't shove it in my face I'll keep using their products. But if they do I'll have no problem dumping them like I've done with Amazon and JCPenney. I'd love to do it with Google and Microsoft but its damn near impossible.

Shove it in your face? Why do you anti-equality folks think everyone wants to shove something in your face? People just want freedom and for the government not to tell them who to marry. Apple happens to support that. So do Google and Microsoft. As a matter of fact, most tech companies actively support gay marriage. So if you're looking to dump companies who support equality, you may as well just leave civilization and become a hermit.

 

[Stella]

For one being gay is not brain damage! And a man's level of masculinity has nothing to do with sexual preference. You stated a list of stereotypes and tried to turn it into evidence to support your false statement.

Sorry, but you have totally and utterly misunderstood my post. Go back and read it. It was an account of how brain affected affected someone - I was replying to someone else's post about affects of "mind altering".

I never, ever said that being gay is a result of being brain damaged, as applied to the general population. HOWEVER, in his case, it was due to the damage done to his brain as a result of an accident that turn his preference to being hemosexual. You really have to understand this is an extreme and rare case. There have been other cases such as this.

The masculinity was used to how to describe him - i.e., being totally straight, loved women etc, i.e., no hint of him being homosexual before his accident. It was used to describe the before and after accident.

Again, you have to understand the context of the post - replying to someone who just briefly bought up the subject of mind being altered.

Jesus , I wish I never posted the damn thing is the first place. I thought it would be interesting, as a extreme affect of brain damage. I know damn well that 99.99999999999% people who are gay aren't brain damaged - but instead healthy, normal human beings.

 

[Lennholm]

It may come to that eventually. If we break one of God's commands why not another?? Once we start rolling down the hill it's not easy to stop it. I'm not going to boycott Apple or anything. I'll still use their products. But I certainly disagree on their position. I as a Christian believe in the "traditional" view of marriage as one man and one woman. Nonetheless I've used Apple products all my life and that won't change anytime soon. I wouldn't even accept a Windows PC for free. LOL

Why do you think you should be allowed to restrict other people with the traditional values of YOUR religion out of every other religion and non-religion represented? More generally speaking, why do you think government should, in violation of the constitution, promote and enforce your religious values?

Everybody has the same rights. Every female has the right to marry a male and vice versa. If you want to shack up with someone of the same sex, fine. But why do you have to call it marriage and why does the government need to recognize it? Should the government recognize polygamy too?

The thing is, the government rewards marriage by benefits and tax deductions. They shouldn't do that in the first place, but if they are going to reward people for collectivizing because it benefits society, they should do it to all people who choose to live together, regardless of the circumstances.

Seems to me one of the purposes of marriage is to foster procreation, and last time I checked its impossible for a man to impregnate another man or a woman another woman. If society doesn't procreate what happens to it?

So infertile people shouldn't be allowed to marry either?

Your correct it isn't always right but neither is the decision that a group of judges comes up with always right. I'd rather not pay the fine but I'd be much more OK with it if the majority made it a law instead of a handful of judges especially if the majority had made a law for no fine and the judges overruled it.

The judicial branch of government is a counterpart to the executive and legislative branches and it's there to make sure the other two don't violate the constitution. Democracy wouldn't work without it. All "democracies" in the world are really republics (not pure democracies) meaning they're governed by the law, not the people. They are democratic because all citizens have a collective input by representation.

 

[fpsBeaTt]

I just think they should be seperate. Religious folks have rights too, including to restrict things because of their understanding of morality. Let the government marry people of the same sex, and let the churches decide whether or not they'd like to participate in it. You may or may not agree with the religious organizations decision, but you don't have to participate with them either! And, taking away one persons rights and giving it to someone else isn't any more equality. Like it or not, agree with it or not, religious institutions also have rights!

If religious institutions actively participate in discrimination in such a manner, they are welcome to do so; they are then deemed to no longer be exempt from paying taxes. They're an organisation like any other that runs for a profit, while proselytising stone-age man-forged manacle of the mind. The very act exempting them from tax is a violation of the first amendment.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Engrained religious ideals.

Get out more. There are plenty of atheists that are homophobes. Especially in Maryland which one would consider a pretty liberal state.

Good.

The Church doesn't have a monopoly on marriage... although they're close to a monopoly on bigotry.

Nope, I still think whites have the church beat by a large margin.

No one should give a crap about the morality of another individual. Live and let live.

NO . . . NO We all should give a crap about the morality of another individual. If someone can't determine right from wrong then it's a serious problem for everyone. No one needs religion to determine right from wrong, and religion has nothing to do with morality.

Morality is a social/cultural issue, hence the reason for centuries of Jim Crow and Apartheid and other injustices that the world let happen.

 

[fpsBeaTt]

ewww

and tim is gay too? didnt know that
even more eww
never been more dissapointed in apple.
gotta make sure and go add to my apple tattoo (while steve was CEO)
so no one thinks i support this sodomy

oh well hopefully their products never reflect this choice

Not sure if sarcastic, or just a display of bigotry.

 

[Kaibelf]

So since we are breaking this barrier, I can marry my dog now right?

Can your dog sign a legal contract? Or are you such an insulting pig that you will imply that grown gay adults have as much reasoning power as a household animal?

 

[bigpoppamac31]

Why should your (unbelievably misguided) belief's be allowed to harm others though?

Also, can you please find me a single quote on Jesus being against gay marriage?

My "misguided" belief rests in God's infallible perfect Word the Bible. From cover to cover the Bible is the Word of God. Not just Jesus words but the Bible as a whole. God is not "harming" His creation by condoning only heterosexual monogamous marriage. God (and there's only one) created the universe and therefore has full sovereign authority to tell us how it is to function.

Also two scripture references here explicitly state that homosexuality is sin.:
http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=homosexuality&qs_version=ESV

Also here is a website page with many articles filled with scripture stating God's case against homosexuality. I know no one will be mature enough to read any of them but I thought I'd post it for fun.
http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Homosexuality/

 

[swissmann]

If you can settle the tax benefit and divorce issues, then fine. Part of the reason polygamy is illegal is because it would be an IRS disaster. If that can be figured out, I couldn't care less how many people you marry. I wouldn't do it myself. I also wouldn't have a same sex marriage myself, but I certainly support your right to.

Yes it would be an IRS disaster but to use this as a basis for something being legal or not seems strange to me. Isn't the IRS a disaster anyway?

 

[Digital Skunk]

The vast majority of blacks in the USA are only partially black at this point. However 100% of them are USA American. NOT African-American at all. Let's at least give them the citizenship respect they have earned.

Total garbage.

By the way. I would never consider myself American. I will always consider myself African-American, as will many many other African Americans. We've still earned the citizenship and respect, but have also earned the name African American.

 

[bigpoppamac31]

Why do you think you should be allowed to restrict other people with the traditional values of YOUR religion out of every other religion and non-religion represented? More generally speaking, why do you think government should, in violation of the constitution, promote and enforce your religious values?

I believe in the separation of church and state. The government should have no involvement in this no matter what their views are. However the Christian church should hold firm to the Word of God in stating that homosexuality is sinful. it's not THE sin but one of many.

 

[CodeJingle]

I am for it (what Apple is doing). Sounds good to me. Right and whoever doesn't like it is allowed to not like it I guess (A church can refuse to wed a gay couple out of conscience). Washington state is fairly progressive, haven't heard too many complains in WA.

 

[swissmann]

The judicial branch of government is a counterpart to the executive and legislative branches and it's there to make sure the other two don't violate the constitution. Democracy wouldn't work without it. All "democracies" in the world are really republics (not pure democracies) meaning they're governed by the law, not the people. They are democratic because all citizens have a collective input by representation.

So what makes sure that the the courts don't violate the constitution?

 

[unobtainium]

The vast majority of blacks in the USA are only partially black at this point. However 100% of them are USA American. NOT African-American at all. Let's at least give them the citizenship respect they have earned.

Brilliant.

"White" people aren't white either. (By the way, what is a "USA American"? Seems redundant)

But you didn't even come close to answering my question about why you want to use the N word.

 

[Kaibelf]

So what makes sure that the the courts don't violate the constitution?

Duh. The legislative branch which controls the money and the executive branch which controls the armed forces. It's called the balance of power.