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We have a Constitution. If the People or Congress or the President violates it then we have redress in the courts. This is how the our form of democracy works.

But what if the courts violate the Constitution? If the government and law represent the people then I don't see a purer form than the voice of the people.
 
You benefit in that your children will be able to love whoever they want and marry them. They'll have tax breaks and medical visit rights. They won't be able to get fired because they are gay.... Unless of coarse that sounds horrible to you. They'll be able to love more freely. With less stigma.

Nicely put.

I also read a very neat point somewhere recently:

"Why should who you love decide how much tax you pay?"

And marriage is not some immutable concept. The meaning, arrangement and purpose of marriage has changed dramatically over the centuries, even amongst nominally Christian nations.
 
If this was about software piracy or changes in technology patent regulation it would make sense to take a stance as the outcome can effect business.

It does affect businesses.

If Apple wants to offer its employees benefits (e.g. Healthcare), the lack of Gay Marriage in a particular state may make it more expensive for them to do that.

Those costs make it more expensive to employ people, and that's ultimately not good for business - or the government.
 
So 'whites only' churches should be allowed? And they should be supported by the government with a tax exempt status?

Well, first off, a lot of people misunderstand a churches tax exempt status. It isn't any different than any other non-profit, including gay rights groups!

Beyond that, no, I don't think a Church should be forced to marry someone they don't think they should marry. Even if I disagree with their choice. You may disagree with me on that, and that's perfectly okay. But that's the way I feel. I question though, why a gay person would want to get married in a church that was only doing it because the government told them they had to? There are tens of thousands of churches in the US of A that support and affirm gay marriage, there's a courthouse in every county, the Gay community does not need those conservative churches, why should we complicate the issue by enforcing gay marriage when they aren't even enforcing heterosexual marriage? (A church can refuse to marry someone because of prior divorce, or just about any other reason if that's what they think is right)
 
I think this is great. Anyone should be able to marry any one they want as long as its mutual, no matter what gender they are

Really.... Marry your mom, or Dad, or maybe your daughter, sister? Why not? No need to draw any boundaries...
 
It may come to that eventually. If we break one of God's commands why not another?? Once we start rolling down the hill it's not easy to stop it. I'm not going to boycott Apple or anything. I'll still use their products. But I certainly disagree on their position. I as a Christian believe in the "traditional" view of marriage as one man and one woman. Nonetheless I've used Apple products all my life and that won't change anytime soon. I wouldn't even accept a Windows PC for free. LOL

Are you calling same-sex marriage a sin? Because the list of such silly "sins" is
a list of common practices/occurrences
 
Who cares who marries who? It's up to them to be honest.
I love how the Rainbow Apple logo is being used for this article, kinda ironic ^.^ :)
 
Government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage in the first place - the entire thing is a religious concept and so having the government say it is or isn't allowed is like having the government approve and disapprove of specific religions (which is explicitly non-constitutional.)

No, it's not.

If you're gay, serve in the military and married in a state the recognizes same sex marriage, shouldn't the government recognize it and your spouse receive the same benefits as an opposite sex marriage?

Currently they do not. Which means that soldier is considered less a person than the soldier fighting beside them.

That is one example.

Now replace military with any public job or company.
 
So since we are breaking this barrier, I can marry my dog now right?

I was under the impression that marriage is one way for you to profess your unconditional love to someone else.

If what you're implying is that someone else marrying a dog or two gay men marrying one another is suddenly going to devalue your marriage, then surely your unconditional profession of love suddenly just turned into a conditional one on the basis of the above two groups refraining from marrying?
 
We've had gay marriage in Canada for several years, and society hasn't collapsed.

Churches are allowed to choose who they want to marry (some denominations are OK with it, others aren't), but places like City Hall will do it no problem.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Interesting though, that once I admitted to being a Christian folks started attacking me, even though I agree with them. They only read as far as 'Christian' and started making assumptions!
 
It's about time the state ignored religious dogma and paved the path towards equality and secularism!

Good on these companies for supporting this. Really cool.

That is false. The institution of marriage predates religion, and it has always been man and woman. Religion is only a secondary and minor consideration in the question of marriage and its definition.
 
As a gay man myself I don't disagree. I'm not expecting that I will ever get married but respect the right of others to do so and for all of us to live without fear of prejudice due to our sexuality, race or indeed creed.

I'm a single female. Should I go protesting to to Supreme Court because married couples get certain tax benefits that single people don't? Am I being discriminated against?
 
Sorry, but I don't believe in moral relativism. Homosexuality is an innate, unchosen characteristic of a person - and therefore should not lead to discrimination. Those that discriminate need to be called on it.

To follow a religious belief is to make a conscious choice, and that's a choice you can change at any moment. Rights granted to those due to their innate characteristic should always trump those granted to those who just subscribe to a philosophy.

While I don't think someone should be discriminated against because they are gay, I abhor the "Born that way" argument. Not saying that people aren't born gay, but genetics is not a free pass for behavior. Many criminals have genetic propensities for violence, but we don't condone that. So, please, please use a better argument than "I'm genetically predisposed so it's OK."
 
Well, first off, a lot of people misunderstand a churches tax exempt status. It isn't any different than any other non-profit, including gay rights groups!

Beyond that, no, I don't think a Church should be forced to marry someone they don't think they should marry. Even if I disagree with their choice. You may disagree with me on that, and that's perfectly okay. But that's the way I feel. I question though, why a gay person would want to get married in a church that was only doing it because the government told them they had to? There are tens of thousands of churches in the US of A that support and affirm gay marriage, there's a courthouse in every county, the Gay community does not need those conservative churches, why should we complicate the issue by enforcing gay marriage when they aren't even enforcing heterosexual marriage? (A church can refuse to marry someone because of prior divorce, or just about any other reason if that's what they think is right)
This is not about getting married in a church. It's about having the rights and benefits that come with being married.
 
While I don't think someone should be discriminated against because they are gay, I abhor the "Born that way" argument. Not saying that people aren't born gay, but genetics is not a free pass for behavior. Many criminals have genetic propensities for violence, but we don't condone that. So, please, please use a better argument than "I'm genetically predisposed so it's OK."

The problem with what you're saying is that you can't provide a reason why it's not OK.
 
I'm a single female. Should I go protesting to to Supreme Court because married couples get certain tax benefits that single people don't? Am I being discriminated against?

IMO you sure are. It's a conservative and traditionalist idea that a certain family type gets federal / state benefits whereas other family types don't. Unnecessary social engineering and experimenting that appears to incentivise people to conform to one way of living.
 
As long as Apple doesn't shove it in my face I'll keep using their products. But if they do I'll have no problem dumping them like I've done with Amazon and JCPenney. I'd love to do it with Google and Microsoft but its damn near impossible. :(

Wow. Really?

If Google and Microsoft get in support of gay marriage, I suppose someone will have to fork a gay-free distro of Linux for the anti-gay community. :rolleyes:
 
While I don't think someone should be discriminated against because they are gay, I abhor the "Born that way" argument. Not saying that people aren't born gay, but genetics is not a free pass for behavior. Many criminals have genetic propensities for violence, but we don't condone that. So, please, please use a better argument than "I'm genetically predisposed so it's OK."

The difference is that a criminal harms others by their criminal act while two people of the same sex doesn't.
 
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