What about their glued together, unrepairable hardware?
I make no such assertions. I'm just saying that the plastic you are talking about is probably unchanged. That problem very likely remains the same problem that it was yesterday. That doesn't make reducing packaging any worse though.Does the plastic packing from various component shipped to the assembler factory not a bigger concern similar to the plastic wrapped around each shipping pallet. 🤔
My issue is incentivizing yearly upgrades, a thing that carriers have also latched into as a means of keeping customers/sales, not simply producing more product. Unfortunately I'm not Really sure how I can be clearer on that matter.
You were really the one that used the term and I just went with it. I'm literally not suggesting they don't make a new iPhone every year, so I'm genuinely unsure if you're understanding the basis of my argument or not (forgive me I'm not trying to be rude).And I'm not sure how I can be clearer how that's not hypocrisy. I mean, they're obviously not going to close up shop to reduce their environmental impact to zero, and even if they went to introducing an iPhone every other year instead of yearly, some people would then say it should be every third year if they were "truly" concerned, etc. There's always going to be a degree of environmental impact with any company that produces hardware - it's not all or nothing. So I don't think the concept of "hypocrisy" even makes sense in this context. They're simply reducing their environmental impact while continuing to produce in a way that's proven very profitable for them.
I have used the boxes as drawer organizers and the like in lieu of cheap plastic containers largely because they are heavy and last years. I have yet to need to replace any and a 1x purchase every couple of years doesn't really clutter the house. YMMVSounds good to me. I personally feel the boxes could be even thinner, kind of like how the AppleCare replacement phones ship in, but this is a good move.
Seems like lack of recycling in many places is the issue. Most places just ship it to other countries to deal with it and that can mean anything from landfills, burning or dumping it someplace else. Only a fraction if not less is actually recycled. Don’t get me wrong it’s fine and dandy that Apple is doing this but in the grand scheme of things it changes nothing. It’s the illusion of a feel good for consumers who take pride and trouble to recycle only for their respective cities to do little if not nothing with it.I make no such assertions. I'm just saying that the plastic you are talking about is probably unchanged. That problem very likely remains the same problem that it was yesterday. That doesn't make reducing packaging any worse though.
It's a little bit like cities and towns banning plastic straws. Are plastic straws really the problem? Not even the tip of the iceberg. But it's hard to argue for more plastic instead of less, no matter how much/little less we are talking about. Since there was mention of plastic in the oceans, something like 70% is apparently from fishing. People just get more emotional about the sea turtle with the straw in its nose, and so movements are born.
To be clear, I think banning straws is an overall good idea from a plastic waste standpoint. As do I believe reducing plastic in shipping of iPhones is. But I think it alters the focus into the wrong things. It makes the consumer feel good. And potentially even pushed them to buy products they otherwise wouldn't have and then... maybe they're not being as green as their bleeding hearts let them believe.
IMO single use containers (of all sorts) are the real issue. But that's probably for another thread.Seems like lack of recycling in many places is the issue.
Fair enough 😎IMO single use containers (of all sorts) are the real issue. But that's probably for another thread.
I don't see it as hypocrisy, based on the assumption that the iPhones traded in this way are refurbished and resold on the gray market, rather than simply being scrapped and ending up as landfill. It's helping to sell more iPhones to more people, at the end of the day.I'm not suggesting they close up shop. I'm suggesting that having a program that incentivize the consumer to buy a new phone (if 9 to 5 Mac is to be believed, 36% of their user base is on this program) all while citing how environmentally forward you are... doesn't sit right with me. I'm referring to the iPhone upgrade program where you effectively pay your monthly fee and get a new iPhone every 12 months. That program is the antithesis of "green". This program literally gives you a reason you didn't have before to keep opening a new phone from Apple yearly.
Bottom line, with the iPhone Trade-in Program Apple has rather masterfully addressed the inevitable challenge of a slowing smartphone market. It makes the high cost of acquiring a new iPhone more tenable, allows Apple to capture a good chunk of the residual value of selling an old iPhone, and it helps Apple to continue to build out the iOS installed base. That’s a win, win, win, and I expect to hear Apple talk even more about this going forward.
You were really the one that used the term and I just went with it.
I just have a hard time praising a company for being environmentally conscious while at the same time encouraging people to replace products yearly that clearly don't need replacement.
Having an Apple sanctioned yearly upgrade program is sort of the antithesis of being environmentally forward.
Hard to imagine they both care about the people dying of cancer from using their products while continuing to sell these same people (and newer generations) the same products.
I'm literally not suggesting they don't make a new iPhone every year, so I'm genuinely unsure if you're understanding the basis of my argument or not (forgive me I'm not trying to be rude).
I'm not suggesting they close up shop. I'm suggesting that having a program that incentivize the consumer to buy a new phone (if 9 to 5 Mac is to be believed, 36% of their user base is on this program) all while citing how environmentally forward you are... doesn't sit right with me. I'm referring to the iPhone upgrade program where you effectively pay your monthly fee and get a new iPhone every 12 months. That program is the antithesis of "green". This program literally gives you a reason you didn't have before to keep opening a new phone from Apple yearly.
2022 as it marks a decade for Lightening connector. Peace.If Apple really wants to minimize environmental impact then make all devices charge with USB-C.
At this point I feel like you're trying to shoe horn a definition where there isn't one, maybe even get me to say something I don't feel, and I'm genuinely unsure why. If you wanted the last word, that's fine too, but you were the one who initially responded to me, so I felt somewhat obligated to keep the conversation going. Maybe we wasted each other's time here. If so... sorry.I used the term because that's exactly what you were saying (without using the actual term):
And your cigarette company analogy confirmed this further:
So you're ok with Apple producing new iPhones each year, but not ok with them wanting a lot of people to buy them (or trade up for them) each year? That makes no sense.
Once again (and this will be my final comment on this as I can see we're getting nowhere), Apple's goal here is not to change their sales strategy to reduce iPhone sales/trade-ups (would be a stupid move for a business and irresponsible to the shareholders), but rather to reduce their environmental impact while continuing to do what they've been doing. I see absolutely zero room to criticize here.
I'll leave it at that.
I actually suggested this on here way back around series 2 launch, I want to say, and got mostly negative feedback. People felt nobody would buy a watch without a band.Wonder when Apple will stop forcing customers to purchase an Apple Watch strap with their Apple watches… most of the time these are just unnecessary for me with the masses of bands I already own.
I think Apple should charge for the Watch face and then you select what band you would like or no band at all.
The watch could literally come in a box the size of the iPod shuffles from years ago, reducing packaging massively.
Agreed. Imagine the environmental impact of one years worth of iPhone production. But hey… we just saved some plastic. 😆Reduce your environmental impact if you really care and skip the upgrade!
Not sure how I forgot that seeing as I have a 12 pro lol. Guess I ripped it off and threw it away so quick I forgot.They switched that to paper last year with the iPhone 12’s.
FactsReduce your environmental impact if you really care and skip the upgrade!
And still manage to buy all the products anywaySomeone will still complain.