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Apple and Google, Like Microsoft, Reserve Right to Read Customer Emails

bushido said:
if my landlord were to put a clause in the contract to search my flat while i am gone it wouldnt mean a thing even if i signed it cuz its simply not allowed
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In California my landlord can enter the premises by providing a mere 24 hour notice. In case of an emergency, such as flooding, without any notice.
 
marvin4653 said:
If a tenant agrees to such a clause, the tenant is giving the landlord permission to enter. As you noted, such laws do not forbid a landlord from entering if the tenant gives the landlord permission.
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Even assuming that the clause is enforceable in the part that gives the landlord permission to enter, it cannot remove the tenant's right to give or rewoke the permission at any time. If the tenant can rewoke the permission at any time (and the clause cannot limit this right) the whole clause doesn't make sense, the tenant could simply say "thou shall not enter" a second after signing the contract... these paradoxical clauses are typically declared void.

marvin4653 said:
As I mentioned in my post, this is assuming that the tenant was aware that the clause was included in the lease. If not, the clause may not be enforceable because the tenant may not be deemed to have agreed to the clause.
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If he was not aware in the sense that it was not clearly stated on the contract it's clearly not enforceable. What I meant is that it's not enforceable even if the tenant knowingly and willingly agrees with the clause and signs the contract.

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cppguy said:
In California my landlord can enter the premises by providing a mere 24 hour notice. In case of an emergency, such as flooding, without any notice.
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The point is that these 24 hours for the notice are most likely mandated by law. What happens if you sign a contract which states that you renounce the 24 hours and the landlord can enter e.g. with only a 1 hour notice? Here such a clause would be most likely declared void and the 24 hour notice would still be required.
 
if this is 'news' you already lost the battle. sorry...

everyone who is connected is being scanned. everything. everywhere. every country. if you don't like it, GO AWAY!

seriously. you are connected to a 'system' that can be exploited by 'everyone', 'everywhere', all the time. if you don't/didn't know that, then foo on you.

i can read your email. everyone else (with any skill) can read your email. secure communication does not involve a cable or a wireless connection. ever.

if you have ever connected to the 'internet' at a public site (think starbucks, airport, hotel, etc.) then you have already lost the battle. you clicked the link, you said 'OK', and you already gave up your rights. 🙁

best of luck to anyone who did not already click the 'OK' link...
 
I love how people complain about something like this when it's your choice to use their service!

Besides, why do people always think they are so important that a company like Apple or the government would care 2 cents about them.... You are NOBODY!
 
LostSoul80 said:
If Samsung had something similar, general madness and desperation would be all over.

But hey, it's Apple. All cool.

🙄
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I was thinking the exact same thing. If this was unique to Google or Samsung, I'd be reading how "evil" they are, and how Apple is the best and we trust them.

Bottom line. Apple is evil. Google is evil. Samsung is evil. Microsoft just sucks 😛
 
bushido said:
how is that even legal? if my landlord were to put a clause in the contract to search my flat while i am gone it wouldnt mean a thing even if i signed it cuz its simply not allowed

and to the people saying "who cares" ugh ... its the first step into what SciFi movies r made off. reporter finds something out about xy - police state is going to delete all traces of it in the name of "national security". just take a look at Turkey

"busted for corruption. lol lets take down twitter"
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Perhaps the difference is you pay your landlord and your landlord has the right to enter if
In an emergency. Not sure I understand the controversy. Unlike Google Microsoft isn't scanning everybody's email.
 
bushido said:
how is that even legal? if my landlord were to put a clause in the contract to search my flat while i am gone it wouldnt mean a thing even if i signed it cuz its simply not allowed
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You don't know much about law do you? If you sign anything that's a contract and it's law abiding. Maybe you need to experience it for once. 😉
 
dragje said:
Well, I'm not paranoia that's for sure, but I do think my e-mails concerns no others then the ones I'm sending it too. It's just a principal point.
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My answer was for the person who thought Apple might be able to read all the email on his computer and was wondering if he needed a different email client. The answer was no, you don't need to be that paranoid.
 
Email isn't encrypted so it's trivial to sniff it if you're on the same network as someone when they send or receive it.

I have my own mail server so I don't have to worry about Google (or Apple or any other company) reading through my emails whenever they want, though.
 
HenryDJP said:
You don't know much about law do you? If you sign anything that's a contract and it's law abiding. Maybe you need to experience it for once. 😉
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i doubt that. if u agree to sell your organs for an iPad but the law forbids it in the first place the whole contract wasnt valid to begin with just like signing a 36 months phone contract would be pointless to sign as the limit is 24 months at least here
 
chairguru22 said:
I love how people complain about something like this when it's your choice to use their service!
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The phone company I've chosen to use cannot legally listen in to my phone conversations. The USPS is not allowed to open my letters. Why are email providers allowed to read their customers' communications? It's just another instance of the law and politics not keeping up with technology.
 
How is this news?

I don't believe it's new to anyone's EULA. And isn't obvious if you are storing information on someone's servers - that ultimately, they have access?
 
bushido said:
how is that even legal? if my landlord were to put a clause in the contract to search my flat while i am gone it wouldnt mean a thing even if i signed it cuz its simply not allowed

and to the people saying "who cares" ugh ... its the first step into what SciFi movies r made off. reporter finds something out about xy - police state is going to delete all traces of it in the name of "national security". just take a look at Turkey

"busted for corruption. lol lets take down twitter"
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You can just not sign the lease if you don't like the clauses in the lease.
 
Apple is Not Spying on You

Apple has neither the personnel nor the time to spy on you. What is the benefit? If, however, you do illegal things via email—conspiracy, stalking, spamming, phishing, threatening, etc.—and your email gets subpoenaed, then they must comply. Duh! You think Apple cares about your everyday regular emails?
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Email isn't encrypted so it's trivial to sniff it if you're on the same network as someone when they send or receive it.

I have my own mail server so I don't have to worry about Google (or Apple or any other company) reading through my emails whenever they want, though.
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Yeah, that's assuming your recipients are also running their own mail servers 🙂
 
No one cares until they have a reason to care. May you never have a reason to care. Unfortunately, the reason is usually discovered in hindsight. Students of history, most Americans are not.
 
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