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Very nice! Hopefully the days of the snakepit are over..


I wonder if the technology allows for external hubs?
I mean one cable out to a external 8 port hub,that could route the
data to the right place.Display(s),HDDs,ODDs,interwebz etc..
Or is it forced solely to computer-target unit type of connectivity?
It would be nice if you could just route the stuff out of the computer
via one port to a hidden hub,that would route the stuff further.


And I think production houses (video,music) will be happy when this
will make it´s breakthrough. Simplified cabling,less interference etc..
Nice.
 
There's nothing wrong with sticking a pair of copper wires alongside the fibre optic cables. DC charging cables can be very long without losing much power, and of course will not significantly affect the cost of the cables.


Why go through all that work to take electrical impulses convert them into optical impulses and then most likely have to convert them back at the other end if you are going to run copper with the optical. Sure Optical is faster now but if history shows us anything they will be able to get copper up to that speed in a short time. The only thing I see as a benefit of optical over copper is distance but 90% of the time when I am at my desk this isn't a problem.

Don't get me wrong I like the idea.
 
I am just awestruck by this, the possibilities and uses are almost endless. I cant wait for this to go mainstream and i hope it catches on.

I wonder if the technology allows for external hubs?
I mean one cable out to a external 8 port hub,that could route the
data to the right place.Display(s),HDDs,ODDs,interwebz etc..
Or is it forced solely to computer-target unit type of connectivity?
It would be nice if you could just route the stuff out of the computer
via one port to a hidden hub,that would route the stuff further.

I would imagine it would, i think it would act the same way as a usb hub but faster and for more devices. Well i hope it will anyway.

PS. Light Peak sounds very Apple. :apple:
 
This really doesn't mean squat if our storage media can't keep up with it... At it's supposed release date around this time next year, show me some fast new-gen SSD's that are somewhat affordable in larger capacities (let's say, 640GB for <$400) running at the full SATA-6gbps standard, and then maybe we'll talk fast connectors. :rolleyes:
 
This really doesn't mean squat if our storage media can't keep up with it... At it's supposed release date around this time next year, show me some fast new-gen SSD's that are somewhat affordable in larger capacities (let's say, 640GB for <$400) running at the full SATA-6gbps standard, and then maybe we'll talk fast connectors. :rolleyes:
Hopefully, the advent of LP will accelerate manufacturer's efforts toward development of drives which will take advantage of it.
 
I'm a little confused how this works.:confused: Does one cable go between the computer to an external hub and you then plug your monitor, external hard drive, printer, ect.. into that?
 
Thats an interesting technology, good to see Apple involved at the cutting edge. I suppose the key to it now is getting lots of compatible devices to plug into it. I guess there will be a couple of years of having computers with the new port and all the old ones that we still need.
 
Why go through all that work to take electrical impulses convert them into optical impulses and then most likely have to convert them back at the other end if you are going to run copper with the optical. Sure Optical is faster now but if history shows us anything they will be able to get copper up to that speed in a short time. The only thing I see as a benefit of optical over copper is distance but 90% of the time when I am at my desk this isn't a problem.

Don't get me wrong I like the idea.

We wont see the true benefits of optical until all of computing is using the same processing medium. Theres no point sending the data through optical just to have to convert it back into electrical charges.

Thats a fair way off because basic quantum computers are still LN2 cooled. (Reminds your of the IBM OIL Cooled mainframes huh?)
 
"Wooot! Light Peak only... WTF. Gimme back my Firewire or I'm switching to PC. Apple has really lost their way..." Blah, blah, blah...

I've been waiting for this to happen for ages. Bring it on. I wont complain.
 
I'm disappointed it only runs at 10 Gbit/s, and taking 10 years to get to 100. In terms of optical communications, that is pretty pathetic (although granted not for such a small unit). Hopefully with some further miniaturisation and research Intel should be able to kick it up to a Tbit/s before too long.

When you bring in a new product, it obviously needs to be better than the existing alternatives, but you don't want to be too much better. Twice as fast is good - 100 times as fast is bad. The reasons are partly customer psychology, partly smart business practices.

If the new product is too far ahead of the current market, people often can't get their head around it, or see a value, or they assume that something, somewhere, must be wrong because it just couldn't be that much better, for such a low price. It's not rational - it's instinctive, and most marketers know it.

Also, why give everyone 100Gb speeds today, when you can sell them 10Gb for 3-5 years, then get everyone to upgrade to 50Gb for the years 6-10, then get them to upgrade to 100Gb after that? It's 3 bites at the sales cherry instead of one.

...it’s going to take a hell of a lot of marketing and arm twisting to get the entire peripheral industry to adopt Light Peak.

...why did Apple (who has never been afraid to develop a new standard) have Intel develop it?

This is the really interesting development, and it suggests that Apple have learnt from their mistakes with FireWire.

If you want your new idea to become a universal connector for everything, what better way than to have it built onto every Intel chipset that ships around the world?

Apple tried keeping FW closer to themselves, and it failed (relatively speaking) so now they are ensuring that Intel will make Light Peak a standard for them.

I suspect also that this technology requires integration right onto the main chipset - which means they had to get Intel involved. There needs to be a Light Peak router (as seen in the demo videos and documentation), and that needs to live on the chipset, I think. That way it can pass the data between any component - HDD to main bus, graphic card to monitor, HDD to another HDD, etc. If you want to replace all other internal and external cables, then you have to be on the chipset. And who makes the most chipsets in the world?

Finally, the way Light Peak is an encapsulation technology for any protocol you fancy is excellent - that gives it indefinite lifespan. As higher layer protocols for networking develop, the lower level LP technology just keeps soldiering on underneath.

For those wondering what I mean, think of Light Peak as a bus (the going to school kind). Any number of different people can climb onto a bus and go to the destination. There could be a nun, a businessman and road sweeper, all on the one bus.

Light Peak is like the bus and the passengers are Ethernet, SCSI, SATA, whatever. They can all be parceled up and transported inside the Light Peak 'bus' and when they get off at the other end, they are still Ethernet, SCSI and SATA. They just became bus passengers for a while. New protocols are like new passengers - Light Peak will still happily carry them to where they want to go, whoever they are and whenever they come along.

Why go through all that work to take electrical impulses convert them into optical impulses and then most likely have to convert them back at the other end if you are going to run copper with the optical. Sure Optical is faster now but if history shows us anything they will be able to get copper up to that speed in a short time. The only thing I see as a benefit of optical over copper is distance but 90% of the time when I am at my desk this isn't a problem.

Limits are being hit with copper due to the fundamental laws of physics, at least as we currently understand them. The speeds we are getting out of cables (and individual processors for that matter) are getting so high, that the clock cycles are starting to break down.

ie: the voltage changes between each clock cycle aren't able to rise and fall as far as they need to before the next pulse is already coming along. So they get muddied up with each other. Which is really, really bad.

That's one of the reasons why we are going to multi-core machines instead. If you can't make one processor faster, use two processors instead. ;)
 
I'm a little confused how this works.:confused: Does one cable go between the computer to an external hub and you then plug your monitor, external hard drive, printer, ect.. into that?

It could work a number of ways.
A device could have direct support.
Seeing as the basic chip they had has support for two ports i guess at it's most basic a device would have ports to allow daisy chaining like firewire did.
They also show those chips hooking to a router chip, which could be used to build hubs like a network hub.

I them mean time till native support is more wide spread. A LP device may be a bridge for other connections like usb. So you might buy a USB hub that connects to the computer by a LP.

More likely you get a hybrid a device that has value with native support like a monitor or external drive will offer USB hub as well.
 
Translated: ANOTHER type of apple display connector to replace the display miniport.

which replaced DVI.

Which replaced the apple cinema connector.
 
Personally I'd love to see USB/Firewire/eSATA all get replaced with one standard.... How much is the hub going to cost though that turns one or two LightPeak ports into enough to run multiple external drives, monitors, keyboards, etc... The nice thing about USB is it's dirt cheap. Then how much is the hub going to cost that turns a LightPeak connector into a 4 USB ports or 4 Firewire ports?

Keep in mind USB cables where not always cheap. Mass Adoption means mass production. Mass production forces down price.

The question is how long will it take for this technology to reach the internals of a system, allowing companies like alienware to 'play' with the light in expensive, eye-candy gaming rigs.
 
I am glad Apple is thinking about cutting down on the cords. But, how exactly will my future iPhone charge with light?
My guess is that 7g iphone's whole enclosure will be solar cell.
Next thing is that everybody will print solar cell wallpapers with their home printers and cover their houses and rooms with them...
 
Why go through all that work to take electrical impulses convert them into optical impulses and then most likely have to convert them back at the other end if you are going to run copper with the optical. Sure Optical is faster now but if history shows us anything they will be able to get copper up to that speed in a short time. The only thing I see as a benefit of optical over copper is distance but 90% of the time when I am at my desk this isn't a problem.
10Gb copper ethernet is just around the corner, but I'll guess that it will be very hard to get any faster with 100m lengths, that are needed in the specs so that houses can be networked with it.
So the future is optical and billions of e2o- & o2e-converters...
 
And the beauty of optical cable is (provided they manufacture it this way, which they should) is that it's almost perfectly forward-compatible with any updates. If you think about how ethernet has many grades of cable (CAT5, CAT5e, CAT6 etc) to allow greater lengths and higher speeds and more noise reduction, well the same optical cable can be used when those 3 criteria are upgraded in the next generation (much like USB -> USB2). That single cable will be able to transfer at 10Gbit/s today, and that same cable will be able to transfer at 1 Tbit/s when the tech becomes available. Suck on that USB.
 
At face value, it sounds more like a reincarnated ADC (Apple Display Connector) than a replacement for USB.

Additionally, it’s going to take a hell of a lot of marketing and arm twisting to get the entire peripheral industry to adopt Light Peak. I just hope Apple doesn’t go radical with it (like they did with USB 1.0, which worked in their favor).

The big question is why is Intel promoting USB 3.0 if they have Light Peak coming around the corner (2010). And why did Apple (who has never been afraid to develop a new standard) have Intel develop it?

Somehow this story doesn’t add up.

Apple have only developed standards to work for there own products? If they push Intel to develop it and market it it will persuade more device makers? all im hoping is that the iphone and ipod cable gets changed - presume that the ADC cable will be changed? im hoping they manage to make an ethernet version as i would love lightning speed transfers to and from my TC :eek:
 
Who cares if the physical device-interconnect standard(s) have to change... this would be a great step forward in the right direction: greater simplicity and more power. I hope Intel (and if the rumors are true, Apple) are successful with this endeavor.
 
This is pretty cool, just so long as we get more than one on the MacBook Air, and plenty on Mac Pros =)

It'd be nice to see some cheap adapters for this into a USB or FireWire hub. Does anyone know if the connector is designed to carry power, and if so how much? It'd be cool to just plug in a reasonably inexpensive USB hub, and then hook in any USB-powered devices you have, especially handy for getting a laptop/tablet set up on the go with minimum fuss.
 
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