I was thinking more along the lines of how current graphics ports are wired to the graphics chip. How would the mobo be designed to allow the GPU display output to any of the many LP (light peak) ports?
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Apple and Intel Collaborate on Next Generation 'Light Peak' Connectors?
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I was thinking more along the lines of how current graphics ports are wired to the graphics chip. How would the mobo be designed to allow the GPU display output to any of the many LP (light peak) ports?
Will dongles be easy to manufacture? Say to ease the transition from USB, will USB-LP dongles be cheap to make? Also, will LP hubs (like USB hubs) be cheap too?
The calculation before was correct. A BR movie in 30 seconds at 10Gbps is 37 GB (seeing as everyone is clarifying/correcting things).
The calculation before was correct. A BR movie in 30 seconds at 10Gbps is 37 GB (seeing as everyone is clarifying/correcting things).
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Remember the movie Aliens when the android Bishop remotely pilots the second drop ship from the Sulaco... his remote console plugs in to the up-link dish via optic cable connector...
Looks great
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Remember the movie Aliens when the android Bishop remotely pilots the second drop ship from the Sulaco... his remote console plugs in to the up-link dish via optic cable connector...
Looks great
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Optical certainly has its advantages in regards to bandwidth and noise immunity.
I'd be concerned about the durability and flexibility of the cables for portable use. Even if the cable can withstand repeated bending without breaking, a kink or sharp bend can stop the internal reflection (i.e. no light gets through). The Average Joe is not going to coil an optical cable neatly. He would fold it and knot it just like he would for every copper cable he has. He would then wonder why it suddenly quit working.
My guess would be that the cable would also contain two copper wires to supply +5V and GND.
I'd be concerned about the durability and flexibility of the cables for portable use. Even if the cable can withstand repeated bending without breaking, a kink or sharp bend can stop the internal reflection (i.e. no light gets through). The Average Joe is not going to coil an optical cable neatly. He would fold it and knot it just like he would for every copper cable he has. He would then wonder why it suddenly quit working.
My guess would be that the cable would also contain two copper wires to supply +5V and GND.
Heard it transfers at 10GB/s. At the moment that's a BluRay movie in 30 Seconds. And plans for it to increase to 100GB/s within the next 10 years.
Also notable is that it can be used in Exchanges to speed up internet connections and phone calls/SMS...
10Gb not 10GB. Big difference
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You'd probably have to harden the cable enough that you can't fully bend it, but not too much that you can't coil it.
here's a video of Intel demoing it on a Mac Pro (torn down)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPx1dEIPnA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPx1dEIPnA
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I think thats the point one connector for everything. Multiple ports of the same connector in which any device can be plugged in and be detected as the device in which its intended for.
ODN conduit.
Steve Jobs has a 25th century time traveller held prisoner in his basement giving him plans for future technology.
Last week, Intel demoed a new interconnect technology called "Light Peak" which promises to be a flexible high performance optical connector:The technology could eventually replace the use of Firewire, USB and even display connectors in the future. Engadget has since revealed that 'Light Peak' was actually originally conceived of by Apple and brought to Intel. The original conversations happened between Apple's Steve Jobs and Intel's Paul Otellini. In fact, the technology was said to have been demoed last week on a prototype Mac Pro motherboard.
The new connector is rumored to be introduced into the Mac lineup in the Fall of 2010, with a low-power variant due in 2011 for mobile devices. Such a move could result in a single connectivity standard in the future, reducing the types of ports on a device to only this single one. The fact that various types of data including High Definition displays can be driven through the connector has led to some speculation that Apple could incorporate such a connector into their rumored tablet.
Article Link: Apple and Intel Collaborate on Next Generation 'Light Peak' Connectors?
My my those devils hands have been busy!!!!
There is no replacement for optical. Remember optical is the quintessential data transfer GOD. nothing is better than it. When coppers gone the world will connect via glass and RF. Optical is more hardened in the actual cable its self.
Gee no wonder apple is all "what is this firewire you speak of" someone has seen the light at the end of the tunnel and we haven't even found the tunnel.
Although I see 2012 before its finally a standard.
This is commercial grade optical connectors and speeds at sub micro miniature consumer grade prices more than likely.
Kinda underwhelmed...
Yes, it is faster speed, but the cabling/connectors look quite pricey. For the comparisons used by Intel in the Youtube video linked here, optical cable is not cheap.
We're likely looking at fiber channel networking, maybe the odd display (though Display Port hasn't taken off, and VGA is still quite prevalent.) But, the influx of cheap printer connectors, cheap camera connectors, and cheap mouse connectors. Firewire lost out to USB in a lot of respects simply due to need, and costs involved in implementing... meaning that if we aren't committed to changing all our peripherals over to ones that utilize expensive cables, we're stuck with machines attempting to maintain backwards compatibility.
Yes, it is faster speed, but the cabling/connectors look quite pricey. For the comparisons used by Intel in the Youtube video linked here, optical cable is not cheap.
We're likely looking at fiber channel networking, maybe the odd display (though Display Port hasn't taken off, and VGA is still quite prevalent.) But, the influx of cheap printer connectors, cheap camera connectors, and cheap mouse connectors. Firewire lost out to USB in a lot of respects simply due to need, and costs involved in implementing... meaning that if we aren't committed to changing all our peripherals over to ones that utilize expensive cables, we're stuck with machines attempting to maintain backwards compatibility.
I guess it would be possible to just have the PCI-E card push the video back to the motherboard and have it available to output on any of the LP ports on the mobo. 1920x1200x36b (12b/channel) is 83Mb/s on a 5,000Mb/s PCI-E-2 x16 channel. 2560x1600x36b is 150Mb/s. Even quad 30" ACDs would be 600Mb/s. So as long as the PCI-E chipset (or CPU in the case of lynnfield) could handle pushing that much data back out to a LP port, it would be OK, your graphics card just wouldn't have ports on the back anymore (probably another win for Steve).
Isn't this was USB 3.0 was supposed to be? Fiber optic with copper for power? Then everyone got bent out of shape and it went back to another set of copper wires.
This seems like a great technology. I guess as long as the cables are robust and don't break easily it'll be fine. 10Gb/s is a ton of data to push around. No more need for docking stations, just your monitor that has speakers, USB, etc and the keyboard/mouse plugged into it. You set your laptop down, plug in one cable for LP and one for power and thats it. I don't see much use for it as an internal connector (e.g. SATA), but who knows, if SSDs bump up against the 600MB/s ceiling of SATA 6Gb/s quickly then it'll be on to move them to LP (1250MB/s, more than twice SATA 6Gb/s, yea I know, its because SATA uses 10/8 encoding to transfer a byte in 10 bits, that would probably go away with LP).
What becomes the bottleneck isn't the transfer medium (the cable and sender/reciever transceivers), rather the Intel and AMD IO chips - if they can manage to push around 50Gb/s throughout the system without issue and heavy CPU intervention (I'm looking at you USB). Intel's IO chips are already becoming saturated with multiple SSDs in RAID configurations.
Finally, I hope they can push more power down the pipe vs what they can with USB now - 5V at 500mA is kinda weak. A full 1A would provide for 5W of power - definitely enough to power a HDD. Maybe not at a full 100m, but for shorter cables (less than 5 feet) they should be able to push 5W.
I love apple just as much as the next Mac lover, but the bottom line is that windows is still running on 80% of the worlds product. I see a play on this solely by apple carrying less weight than it being introduced for intel. SJ realizes that as much as he'd LIKE to control all electronic devices in his garden, people will always have outsiders that want to get in and he needs THEM to adopt the technology. It can't be forced upon them. Firewire is a good example of a great technology that struggled to get traction and acceptance. Just because something is faster (FW800), doesn't mean that device makers will go to it (USB 2.0). Seems pretty straightforward to me...
The idea is that any port can connect to any device that's Light Peak compatible. There's not gonna be any confusion with this one
So what happens when I plug my external hard drive into my monitor connector?
This is all starting to make sense now.ODN conduit.
Also, I'm glad someone else picked out the ODN reference there. It was glaring for me.
I would think that integrated graphics on a motherboard would have such a port connecting to its north bridge or some other onboard graphics processor that would make it matter.
I mean, yeah USB and things like that could easily be replaced. But display would be different I think. This is moot if you have a graphics card though or a sound card of course :]
