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Apple and Music Publishers Close to Agreement on Cloud Licensing, But Delays Still Possible

Video is where the real need for cloud storage lies

I have heard nothing but music talk every time I read rumors about the cloud service. A much more useful service would be housing the 100s of GBs in TV shows I have downloaded that won't even fit on my MacBook Pro. Being able to access those files through AppleTV/iPhone/iPad with out hooking up an external Hard drive is how I have envisioned it to work. Not to mention alleviate the massive storage constraints of owning a few seasons of your favorite shows.

In my opinion video is the real need for cloud storage. Most TV shows you watch once, then again maybe a year later to get ready for the new season. I may listen to the same music file 100 times in a year so I don't mind hosting that file on my hard drive, but holding 300 GBs of video files makes a 500GB HD disappear real fast.
 
Apples plan!

Scrap MacBooks for iPads

Scrap internal storage for iPads/iPods/iPhones only storage for firmware/iOS

All you music and apps on the cloud!

That's a win for apple because your device is a brick unless you spend money on the cloud in turn this kills piracy as it's all controlled on apple servers!

Welcome to the future of the Internet!
 
cxny said:
I just want to park 30,000 songs somewhere so I can retire a bunch of iTunes music libraries, mostly CD rips, could that be a scenario with this service?
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I'd read the small print what happens if they lose your data. Most likely you get your money back, which isn't very helpful if the service is free.

A cheap 1 TB terabyte drive, plus another drive for backup, will be cheaper and more reliable.
 
None needed here either. Hard drives are incredibly cheap - so no desire or need to put it up in a cloud for a monthly/yearly cost.

Clouds also go down. Or internet goes down. Things happen. Prefer to keep everything local. And if there were ever tracks I needed (minimal at best) that I wanted in the cloud in case I wanted to stream elsewhere - dropbox (free) is plenty for the rare and few songs I'd ever want/need.

And while I am sure some would trust the cloud 100% and upload their music - and maybe ditching hard media/their own storage - it's a bit risky. Sure Apple has tons of money (now). But anything could happen and then - poof. Or at least - it would be challenging if everyone needed to remove their music around the same time due to some issue.

Also - it's interesting to note - that I wonder how many people will be "technically" breaking the law by going completely on the cloud. IE - they'll rip their CD's and then sell them. Yes this goes on now, I am sure, all the time. But Apple providing the service and marketing it as such as a combined way to eliminate your media AND store all your online purchases - increases the infractions...
 
bbeagle said:
Which is why the benefits of using the cloud service must outweigh the benefits of having a home server or syncing.

One possibility I see right away is that if I buy a song, it's immediately available without downloading for everyone on my account (my wife, kids). Of course, when I download George Strait, my kids won't want to listen to it, and when my kids download Lady Gaga, I won't want to listen to it, but that's not the point! :)
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That would be good! Love to be able to play the King of Country anywhere, instantly without downloading. Although, I do want the offline version too.
 
omegaphil6 said:
what are the chances that with this paid service it will also cover the data being used to stream to and from the cloud?

If a CD length of music is 700MB, then more than 80 minutes of listening will fry your data plan resulting in overages caused by a service we have to pay for...
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Except that the compression ratio of MP3 to wav is usually between 11:1 and 7:1 - but point taken. I'm glad I held on to my unlimited data plan!
 
aibo82 said:
That's why people will boycott it if it's free or cheap elsewhere why use the cloud to stream it at the cost of a very expensive 3G bill or unlimited home broadband plan!
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I agree that those on limited data plans who pirate their music (high school or college students?) won't use the service.

But look at a different type of user - professionals. I have unlimited data on my ipad, and use Pandora to stream music 6 hours a day at work. If I could stream my own music, I would definately use a service. Money is not a critical issue with me. If it's less than $10 a month, I would use it.
 
Album roughly 42 tracks

iTunes track roughly 6-7mb a track

That's nearly 250mb per album at iTunes quality which is a very expensive data plan as that's half your 3G limit per month :p

O2 500mb limit
Voda 500mb limit
Orange 500mb limit

See a pattern?

Not sure about U.S networks and then they have to stump up 99p per track did they see people coming with this?
 
I get it - they're close. What? -They're close to finalizing it? Oh wait, today they are close again - maybe a little closer? What - a music exec sneezed? How about you guys just let us know when it's actually a done deal?
 
Welcome to cloud you can stream 100s of pics of your favourite family times, steam music and upload personal document with sensitive content!

Yes at apple we really want to screw you with any 12 year old hacker letting the whole world get at this like Sony and the recent PSN problem!

Cloud you'll be throwing your arms up in the air at it!
 
cxny said:
I just want to park 30,000 songs somewhere so I can retire a bunch of iTunes music libraries, mostly CD rips, could that be a scenario with this service?
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Exactly what I wish for but wont get

This will be a paid for streaming service.

Does anyone want to pay for streaming?
 
bbeagle said:
I actually predict that it will be free. Just another benefit of buying music on iTunes.
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So that makes sense

U buy a song u just downloaded to your iPhone and now u can use bandwidth and stream it.

Not only will most people have small purchased iTunes collections u are asking everyone who legitimately buy CDs to rebuy on iTunes.

Its garbage!

Garbage I tell yah! Let's wait and see!
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
I doubt this whole thing can be a winner if it ends up isolating the benefits solely to iTunes-purchased media... except for those who have always & only purchased their media via iTunes.
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That's why I think there is a good chance that this will be a two-option deal:

1. You can stream all of the tracks you have ever purchased from iTunes, add and delete tracks from you devices without syncing back to your iTunes computer, OTA sync changes from one device to your other devices, and re-download tracks that you have deleted accidentally,

and, if you're so inclined,

2. You can sign up for a subscription plan for $9.99-$14.99 a month (or included as part of an iCloud service with other features) that will allow you to stream any track in the iTunes database, create and edit playlists, and (maybe) burn CDs with limitations on the number of tracks and number of CDs you can burn each month.

That brings streaming to every iTunes user, allows Apple to brand the subscription plan as one of its iCloud services, and gives users a new option without taking anything away.

Apple could extend iCloud later with a catalog TV/movie tier that would be priced competitively with Netflix and with a tier for new shows that would compete with cable carriers. Those are technologically possible now, so it's purely a function of getting license rights from enough of a critical mass of Viacom, Disney, NBCU, etc., to market the tier as comprehensive.
 
Tundraboy said:
Yawn!!!!! Who cares!!!!!

Knowing Apple it will cost a lot of money for something you can get else where for free, but as soon as Steve says its MAGICAL fanboys will run out and buy it. Apple uses MAGICAL clouds and it will completely change the way you look at life and the sky!!!!
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Not the brightest bulb on the tree are you..
 
bbeagle said:
Sounds about right.

The iCloud service could also be part of mobile me (rebranded as iCloud). That would make a lot of sense too.
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Not all iClouds have a silver lining! ;):apple:

Iceland have gave the UK an ash cloud so we are probably stuck with Obama for a few more days I ain't liking these clouds!
 
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iceterminal said:
I have no need whatsoever to put any of my music up on a server that is own, operated, controlled, and prowled by a corporation who's only objective is to find new and exciting ways to separate my money from my pocket. My home computer will do fine thank you very much.
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First comment on this thread happens to be the most ignorant...

What is the goal of a corporation or any business for that sake? To make money. That need to make money is what brings us the cool gadgets and technology we use today, including the computer, keyboard, internet and forums you used to post this ridiculous comment.

I won't even get into how good it is for our economy...
 
Dcuellar said:
First comment on this thread happens to be the most ignorant...

What is the goal of a corporation or any business for that sake? To make money. That need to make money is what brings us the cool gadgets and technology we use today, including the computer, keyboard, internet and forums you used to post this ridiculous comment.

I won't even get into how good it is for our economy...
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We need iBanks to stop them lending our iMoney or the government spending it on a duck pond!

If apple control the door to music with the cloud surely google will control the door to the internet and our other personal stuff!

So you'll be paying for the documents you have wrote yourself! And music to be streamed! When will it end will I have to pay a company to walk soon? What will I actualy own apart from a brick device with a screen that has to use the Internet to work and doors that these companys have created to make money!
 
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iceterminal said:
I have no need whatsoever to put any of my music up on a server that is own, operated, controlled, and prowled by a corporation who's only objective is to find new and exciting ways to separate my money from my pocket. My home computer will do fine thank you very much.
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you wouldnt feel that way if you actually maxed out your iphone/ipod/ipad HDD capacity...

and the rumor is that you still get a local copy of your purchases(home) but get a remote copy as well..

THIS MEANS THAT YOU WOULDNT HAVE TO upgrade your iOS device every year to get a HHD upgrade... you can simply pay for the iCloud and enjoy more media

when the prices get affordable for the iCloud, you'll actually see iOS sales drop to a certain degree

this practically gives you an infinite amount of media on the go... WIN :apple:
 
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drockett8 said:
I have heard nothing but music talk every time I read rumors about the cloud service. A much more useful service would be housing the 100s of GBs in TV shows I have downloaded that won't even fit on my MacBook Pro. Being able to access those files through AppleTV/iPhone/iPad with out hooking up an external Hard drive is how I have envisioned it to work. Not to mention alleviate the massive storage constraints of owning a few seasons of your favorite shows.

In my opinion video is the real need for cloud storage. Most TV shows you watch once, then again maybe a year later to get ready for the new season. I may listen to the same music file 100 times in a year so I don't mind hosting that file on my hard drive, but holding 300 GBs of video files makes a 500GB HD disappear real fast.
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T H I S,

video will really be a great feature for the iOS devices... especially if you could mobile sync your device recorded videos and audio memos, pictures, etc..

the ability to not have to wait 1092309248021932 hrs to download a movie if you're only on a 3g network, but you could stream it and choose to download the movie when you get home

idk what the performance would be like if you tried to stream an SD/HD movie to your iOS device but its worth a shot
 
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