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The USA doesn’t force you to install a root certificate on your phone that makes it possible for them to read all your https encrypted messages. If they did, I’d hope apple, Google etc. would ban that as well.
Why would the US need a visible access point like a certificate when it has hidden backdoors.

Just kidding.
 
Unfortunately not. But I can’t blame Cook, he would be fired if he pissed off China and quickly replaced with somebody who is willing to follow every single one of China’s demands.

He should be fired then. This is the main reason I could not vote for Chinese corrupted Joe Biden. He's basically a Chinese asset.
 
That’s an incredibly fair point.
We have no idea what being on that seat entails and how much wiggle room there is to make a dent without losing the head in the process.
I mean, for sure he is not waking up in the morning thinking “I’m going to make a lot of people unhappy today”.

I just don't get the American anti China thing, especially as the US government has been doing exactly the same things for centuries. They do it bad, we do it good.

However as a Apple user I would applaud Apple taking a stand against some of Chinas shady and really bad practices. Now as an Apple stock holder I would panic and sell my stock as soon as Apple is locked out of China and is losing the worlds best, fastest and most flexible production force along with a quarter of the planets population as current and future customers.
 
I just don't get the American anti China thing, especially as the US government has been doing exactly the same things for centuries. They do it bad, we do it good.

However as a Apple user I would applaud Apple taking a stand against some of Chinas shady and really bad practices. Now as an Apple stock holder I would panic and sell my stock as soon as Apple is locked out of China and is losing the worlds best, fastest and most flexible production force along with a quarter of the planets population as current and future customers.

I couldn't disagree more with your statement. The US has never had to steal any intellectual property from China, unless you call using their cheap labor as stealing? If we could steal their slaves, sure we would, but this is why we are better as is Europe than them. Communist has no morality or ethics. In the far future, archeologists will find mass graves of COVID-19 deaths never reported by China. I personally do not believe that Apple should be so reliant on a threat to the world. China's goal is to dominate and subjugate the world, both economically and militarily. If you want to be a slave to Communism, enjoy. I'd rather have the "Orange Man" than that fate. I will give Joe Biden the benefit of the doubt, but his past history of dealings with China does not make it look promising for America or the world economy.
 
Chinese vs Putin asset, pick your poison.
Russia is not really a threat to America unless they have a death wish themselves. Their economy is smaller than France!

Putin has no interest in spreading Communism. He makes too much money off of capitalism. His only interest is to keep all his money and play occasional pranks on the world for his amusement. China is full of actual Communist ideologues infatuated with world domination.
 
I couldn't disagree more with your statement. The US has never had to steal any intellectual property from China, unless you call using their cheap labor as stealing? If we could steal their slaves, sure we would, but this is why we are better as is Europe than them. Communist has no morality or ethics. In the far future, archeologists will find mass graves of COVID-19 deaths never reported by China. I personally do not believe that Apple should be so reliant on a threat to the world. China's goal is to dominate and subjugate the world, both economically and militarily. If you want to be a slave to Communism, enjoy. I'd rather have the "Orange Man" than that fate. I will give Joe Biden the benefit of the doubt, but his past history of dealings with China does not make it look promising for America or the world economy.

It will forever be the irony of history how the Western world made the rise of China possible knowing well in advance what they were headed for. And the orange man didn’t reverse that course either, outside of silly tariff wars, just like no other US government prior.
 
Russia is not really a threat to America unless they have a death wish themselves. Their economy is smaller than France!

Putin has no interest in spreading Communism. He makes too much money off of capitalism. His only interest is to keep all his money and play occasional pranks on the world for his amusement. China is full of actual Communist ideologues infatuated with world domination.

Yeah I know that he’s just a cheap mass murderer and local mini dictator but he’s still the alternative on the table.
 
It will forever be the irony of history how the Western world made the rise of China possible knowing well in advance what they were headed for. And the orange man didn’t reverse that course either, outside of silly tariff wars, just like no other US government prior.

Well, no other previous President did anything at all to stop theft of American intellectual property. The Orange Man at least crushed their economy into recession, but the reality is that they don't care about their people or even if a certain number starve to death. They proved that with COVID-19. They just nailed them in the apartments until they died and then buried the bodies secretly like it never happened.
 
Came in for the Borat references. Was not disappointed. 😆
Now we know what Rudy Giuliani the cybersecurity expert was doing in that hotel room. He was looking for that certificate on his laptop. And he wants to get his hands on Hunter Biden’s laptop.
 
Now we know what Rudy Giuliani the cybersecurity expert was doing in that hotel room. He was looking for that certificate on his laptop. And he wants to get his hands on Hunter Biden’s laptop.

The FBI has Hunter Biden's laptop. It's very safe from it's owner, but the owner of the Mac Shop has fled the state under death threats, probably from people here! LOL
 
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I couldn't disagree more with your statement. The US has never had to steal any intellectual property from China, unless you call using their cheap labor as stealing? If we could steal their slaves, sure we would, but this is why we are better as is Europe than them. Communist has no morality or ethics. In the far future, archeologists will find mass graves of COVID-19 deaths never reported by China. I personally do not believe that Apple should be so reliant on a threat to the world. China's goal is to dominate and subjugate the world, both economically and militarily. If you want to be a slave to Communism, enjoy. I'd rather have the "Orange Man" than that fate. I will give Joe Biden the benefit of the doubt, but his past history of dealings with China does not make it look promising for America or the world economy.

Oh come on, thank your for the perfect example because the US has been caught on stealing European IP countless times. I can instantly name a few like Airbus, Mercedes, a french military helicopter builder, Ariane rocket systems and so on just in the last decade. And we are allies!

Don't get me wrong I don't defend China because what they do to Tibet is bad, but hey the US did the same to Hawaii, invade and replace the local population with own population. Or what China does disgustingly to the Uighurs, but hey the US did the same to the native Americans, kill them and strip them of their culture and land. This is why I dont get why some Americans have such short memory or just ignore history. We Germans have done some really bad things in the past but at least we remember and dont act like we are morally entitled in any way to tell other countries what is right and what is wrong.
 
Oh come on, thank your for the perfect example because the US has been caught on stealing European IP countless times. I can instantly name a few like Airbus, Mercedes, a french military helicopter builder, Ariane rocket systems and so on just in the last decade. And we are allies!

Don't get me wrong I don't defend China because what they do to Tibet is bad, but hey the US did the same to Hawaii, invade and replace the local population with own population. Or what China does disgustingly to the Uighurs, but hey the US did the same to the native Americans, kill them and strip them of their culture and land. This is why I dont get why some Americans have such short memory or just ignore history. We Germans have done some really bad things in the past but at least we remember and dont act like we are morally entitled in any way to tell other countries what is right and what is wrong.
You are certainly mistaken about Hawaii. White Americans are a minority on Hawaii. Asians make up the largest population on Hawaii, not Americans from the mainland. Hawaii even has an Asian TV network on the air.

I never stated that American companies aren't caught stealing intellectual property from time to time as are Euopean companies, but the difference with China is that they steal EVERYTHING. There is almost nothing they create on their own. Also their companies are all controlled by the Communist party so they do their bidding on everything by law. Neither Europe or America exercise this level of control over our comapanies or technology. China has implants in Congress, in companies like Apple, Silicon Valley, everywhere in our society. We are just now wising up to it thanks to the Orange Man and his paranoia and insecurities. Joe Biden said flat out that China is not a threat to anyone! That is insane and scary thinking too.
 
Russia is not really a threat to America unless they have a death wish themselves. Their economy is smaller than France!

Putin has no interest in spreading Communism. He makes too much money off of capitalism. His only interest is to keep all his money and play occasional pranks on the world for his amusement. China is full of actual Communist ideologues infatuated with world domination.
The Federation of American Scientists estimates that Russia possesses 6,800 nuclear weapons, while the United States has 6,185; Russia and the U.S. each have 1,600 active deployed strategic nuclear warheads.
Well, no other previous President did anything at all to stop theft of American intellectual property. The Orange Man at least crushed their economy into recession, but the reality is that they don't care about their people or even if a certain number starve to death. They proved that with COVID-19. They just nailed them in the apartments until they died and then buried the bodies secretly like it never happened.
Can you provide proof for your claim that the Orange Man crushed China’s economy into a recession? Didn’t COVID do that?

About your second claim that the Orange Man doesn’t care about its people, that’s obviously true. But nailing people into their apartments seems far fetched. I don’t like him either but this seems fake news to me.
 
Well, no other previous President did anything at all to stop theft of American intellectual property. The Orange Man at least crushed their economy into recession, but the reality is that they don't care about their people or even if a certain number starve to death. They proved that with COVID-19. They just nailed them in the apartments until they died and then buried the bodies secretly like it never happened.

I don’t see any theft that was stopped now. Do you have dedicated proof which product was saved from being stolen? It is of course the very nature of capitalism to outsource to the cheapest business partners available.

No manufacturing jobs on the US were added on a large scale either, which is to be expected.

If the western world wouldn’t put capitalism above human rights we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place.
 
That’s an incredibly fair point.
We have no idea what being on that seat entails and how much wiggle room there is to make a dent without losing the head in the process.
I mean, for sure he is not waking up in the morning thinking “I’m going to make a lot of people unhappy today”.
It’s sad that There is any credibility at all to the possibility that Cook’s actions are even remotely influenced by the CCP.
 
Communist has no morality or ethics. In the far future, archeologists will find mass graves of COVID-19 deaths never reported by China.
I think it would be more useful to label them confucianists, because that is what they are (they are "communist" only in name, as to legitimize the party's claim to power). And Confucianism is certainly a valid ethical system, albeit different from the savior stuff that you are used to.

They won't find any mass graves.
 
Well, no other previous President did anything at all to stop theft of American intellectual property. The Orange Man at least crushed their economy into recession, but the reality is that they don't care about their people or even if a certain number starve to death. They proved that with COVID-19. They just nailed them in the apartments until they died and then buried the bodies secretly like it never happened.
The world is in recession, China is not. The tariffs imposed by Mr. Orange have just been relayed to the American consumers, as simple as that. Your stuff at Walmart just got more expensive.

China proved that they care about people with their successful strategy to combat the virus, even though they at first fought against a blind enemy. They have 4,634 dead people (3 per million) and positive growth this year, you have 322,000 (970 per million or 323 times worse than China) with massive unemployment and utter chaos.

China cut short the pain, and they are now enjoying life as before, while you are dragging it out forever.
 
You are certainly mistaken about Hawaii. White Americans are a minority on Hawaii. Asians make up the largest population on Hawaii, not Americans from the mainland. Hawaii even has an Asian TV network on the air.
You guys are talking like the Uighurs are native to Xinjiang. They are not. It is old Tocharian territory, a vast desert that Tibetans, Han Chinese and Gökturks (Uighurs) found inhospitable. The Tocharians (a Indo-European tribe) were eventually rounded up by the Turks, and their genome still lives on among the Uighurs (red and blonde hair, blue eyes), but they were essentially planted in Xinjiang as a fortification force against the Tibetan empire. This was a very long time ago, but it shaped the contemporary conditions.
 
Virtue signalling action.
(a) that’s not a thing
(b) what exactly is your beef with making mass surveillance more difficult for the totalitarian government of Kazakstan? Do you support totalitarian governments’ surveillance of their citizens?
 
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