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What are you all doing that could possibly interest any government, unless of course you are up to no good? Wake up world surveillance is here to stay, it has been since the 50s and won’t go away. Stay legal and you don’t have anything to worry about.

That's what the tyrants have always told us. Just follow the law, obey all the rules, and you have nothing to worry about.
 
Exactly you get it, stay legal and sleep easy, practice illegal activities and sleep with one eye open. History shows that criminals terrorists etc always protest loudest and try to hide behind talk of civil liberties, privacy and human right whilst the rest of the world get behind them and add to their warped world view. Don’t be a sheep.
 
This is a better approach than forcing a backdoor. It's not the right solution yet but with tweaks (e.g., no changes to encryption, only done after a warrant) it could work. This is essentially wiretapping.
Giving access is creating a backdoor, i.e. if the good guys can do something, its only a matter of time before the bad guys find a way to exploit it.
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Hmm on the one hand I think our UK services are pretty damn good and have stopped a lot of attacks, which we will never know about, but on the other I’m not sure about every single message being sent to them..
I don’t think the EU will like it either which I presume we are still required to adhere to?

Hmm very split in this one. But considering the terrorists we have harboured and grown in the UK under our very noses maybe it would be for the best?

If someone creates a backdoor, a loophole, what ever you want to call it. How long before that is exploited in some way as to do some devastating deed? That innocent little loophole isn't so innocent anymore.
 
Giving access is creating a backdoor, i.e. if the good guys can do something, its only a matter of time before the bad guys find a way to exploit it.
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If someone creates a backdoor, a loophole, what ever you want to call it. How long before that is exploited in some way as to do some devastating deed? That innocent little loophole isn't so innocent anymore.

They are asking for a back door or loophole though? And if it leaked out that would be Apples fault.
 
They are asking for a back door or loophole though? And if it leaked out that would be Apples fault.
Doesn't really matter what one wants to call it. If it can be done legally, it can be done illegally.
Doesn't matter who's fault it is when lives are lost because of these backdoors.
If the NSA can't secure itself, what hope do you have?
 
Lots of crazy ideas currently comes from the Five Eyes dog cabin "UK".
It's high time, however, that alliances are forming against those guys.
 
What are you all doing that could possibly interest any government, unless of course you are up to no good? Wake up world surveillance is here to stay, it has been since the 50s and won’t go away. Stay legal and you don’t have anything to worry about. Participate in illegal activity, then expect a visit from the law. Live your life stop trying to swim against the tide and decide for others what you think should be done.

This is so naive. The right to privacy has no relationship to the law or law abiding actions. Privacy is, or at least should be, a fundamental right. All you have to do is look at how privacy is destroyed under dictatorships the world over, all in the quest for power and riches. Anybody that opposes the political elite is a criminal. Why? Because they change to laws to give themselves unfettered power. Period. And while you might feel safe in your political system today, it does not take much for that to change drastically and quickly.

Look at how the U.S. violates its own laws for political gain. I would not want to be Assange right now, even though he did nothing different than every major US media outlet has done repeatably, nothing different than more than a few US Congressman, nothing different than more than a few NSA, FBI, IRS and other government employees. And he is not even an American. Why do our laws apply to him anyway? None of that seems to matter when one has a big gun. People would do well to remember that, even if they think they are safe today.

Look at how fast Venezuela has descended from, prior to the 1980s, the richest country in Latin America, with the region’s highest growth rates and the lowest levels of inequality. Right now and for the last decade or so everyone in Venezuela is a criminal (violates the laws of the country). The have to violate the law in order to survive.

People should take off the rose colored glasses and observe what really happens in the world. If you live in the US that means taking in more than the American media propaganda you are provided with.
 
Doesn't really matter what one wants to call it. If it can be done legally, it can be done illegally.
Doesn't matter who's fault it is when lives are lost because of these backdoors.
If the NSA can't secure itself, what hope do you have?

But your comparing the NSA to the British services, they aren’t comparable really as the US services leak stuff..
 
all someone has to do is use another app that uses encryption without back doors. the criminals will use those while the rest of the public will be monitored.
 
But your comparing the NSA to the British services, they aren’t comparable really as the US services leak stuff..
I wouldn't say that.
I am pointing out that if the good guys can do something, so too will the bad guys.
Add to that, the bad guys will have workarounds for doing things that bypass the loopholes.
Thus putting in backdoors/loopholes whatever one wants to call it only affects the security of the good guys.

No service on this planet is 100% secure if connected. Doesn't matter if it is UK or America.
 
Which government do you work for that makes you try so hard to get people to agree to give up their rights? Why are you so afraid of others wanting their privacy?
The only people who insist so righteously on privacy are those who have something to hide. At least be honest with yourself because we know that you’re not.
 
The only people who insist so righteously on privacy are those who have something to hide. At least be honest with yourself because we know that you’re not.
It’s telling that you deal in absolutes and avoid honesty at all costs. Your overlords must love you.

Please lead by example and post your full name, address, employer, and any identifying government numbers, (e.g. SIN, SSN). Remember to also post bank and account info and credit card numbers. I know you’ll do it because you have nothing to hide, right? Don’t be one of the sheep who hides behind "privacy".
 
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That's what the tyrants have always told us. Just follow the law, obey all the rules, and you have nothing to worry about.

Here in America.

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
~ Daniel Webster
 
I believe you may have misunderstood my post, we are in agreement that these agencies do not need extended spying powers via legislation.

No, no, no, I totally understood you. My response was like, I was being Murray to your Carvelli from Welcome back Kotter. If you know what im talking about.
 
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By countering my statement ("No it's not better") you're saying the opposite of what you mean to say. In effect you're saying a backdoor is better than this proposal. I know that's not what you mean but that's what your first sentence implies relative to my quote.

In any case, I didn't say it was better than no changes or was anywhere close to the best solution. I said this proposal (though severely flawed) was better than forcing a backdoor. That's not particularly controversial and is only untrue if you really like encryption backdoors.

I’m saying this proposal is NOT a better approach.This proposal IS forcing a backdoor by allowing a sanctioned 3rd party. Is that clear enough for you to understand?
 
Exactly you get it, stay legal and sleep easy, practice illegal activities and sleep with one eye open. History shows that criminals terrorists etc always protest loudest and try to hide behind talk of civil liberties, privacy and human right whilst the rest of the world get behind them and add to their warped world view. Don’t be a sheep.

I love your naivety, however it is never that simple.
 
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