Apple and Others Pen Open Letter to Trump: 'We Are a Nation Made Stronger by Immigrants'

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    Last night news broke that a collection of major technology companies, including Apple among them, were prepping an open letter to United States President Donald Trump as a means to voice opposition to the immigration executive order that he signed last Friday.

    Today, a draft of the full letter has been shared online, and it goes into detail about the importance of immigrants in the U.S., mentions concern for how the order will affect employees with visas, and explains that the companies are prepared to lend a hand to help the Trump administration make logical and necessary changes if and when it is ready to accept the help (via Recode).

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    Along with Apple, other companies collaborating on the letter are said to include Facebook, Google, Uber, Microsoft, Stripe, and more. The technology companies drafting the letter are reportedly working to include non-tech companies as well, but as yet none have joined.

    Recode obtained a draft of the letter:
    Trump's order banned Syrian refugees from entering the country, blocked citizens of seven countries (Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen) from entering the U.S. for 90 days, and suspended entry of all refugees entering the U.S. for 120 days. The bans left groups of immigrants stranded in airports around the country while also sparking protests and blowback from various tech companies, some of which are now included in the open letter.

    Apple CEO Tim Cook said that "it is not a policy we support" in an internal letter sent to employees last weekend, explaining that the company had reached out to the White House to try to "explain the negative effect" the ban would have on Apple. Included in the potential negative reaction surrounding Apple and other tech companies is another Trump executive order, currently in the drafting stages, that centers around changes to various work-visa programs and could greatly affect how Apple hires tens of thousands of foreign workers each year.

    For the immigration-related ban, Tim Cook told The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday that Apple is considering its legal options as a way to pressure the Trump administration into rescinding the executive order. Cook didn't give further details, but said Apple would be "productive" and "constructive" in its opposing response to the Trump order, which now includes a partnership with other tech companies and today's open letter.

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    We are a nation made stronger by skilled immigrants who are heavily screened and are truly needed. It's not made stronger by people who willingly break the law literally the very instant that they arrive.
     
  3. Pakaku macrumors 68000

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    Didn't America get colonized by immigrants a few hundred years ago? So what makes these particular immigrants in 2017 so special?
     
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    Trump and President Bannon are all about creating Chaos in order to govern/rule the US. Immigration banning is obviously part of this ban as long as it doesn't effect Trumps businesses.
     
  5. hlfway2anywhere macrumors 65816

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    Can you substaintiate this with more information? I'm looking the percentages or numbers of people who willingly break the law literally the very instant they arrive.
     
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    Apple, pay your taxes first. Walk the walk before you talk.
     
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    Wow, really, nothing to do with cheap labour causing other wages to drop leading to a larger bottom line then....

    That's business 101 isn't it? Constantly reduce costs to increase profits.
     
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    So, how many refugees/jihadists does Apple hire every year?
     
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    This could be a kind of "What did the Romans ever do for us" but here's a few things (from a UK point of view, feeling may differ in the US) that immigrants have done:

    • Enhanced our culture just by adding extra diversity if nothing else
    • Kept the price of vegetables at a reasonable level. The wages demanded by young, unskilled "native" Britons in order to get them to do agricultural work would possibly double the price of a potato
    • Made shopping easier. I'm old enough to remember when all shops closed at 5pm (or noon on a Weds and Sat). This would probably have changed anyway but it changed quicker by the attitude of immigrants from the Indian subcontinent who felt they should be open when the customer wanted them open.
    • Provided a large part of the next generation. I want someone to be there to pay my pension :) . Although I have worked it out that all the people I need to pay my pension are now alive.
    • Brought new tastes and cuisine. In Britain we now know what a curry is actually meant to taste like rather than those weird 70s things that were called curry. We've also got Polish lager in our pubs.
    That's just a few things.
     
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    While I don't want to become to engrossed in political discussion on a technology forum, there is definitely work to be done on the work-visa program to prevent large companies, like The Walt Disney Company, from bringing in cheaper, foreign "contractors" and forcing out American workers.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/...ffs.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

    I don't really know why they need to, in Disney's case it's obvious people are willing to pay ever-increasing prices for theme park tickets, so why the need for cheaper labor?
     
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    That too many of them believe they are better because of their religion, that they hate gays, that they disrespect women, that they want their law, ...
     
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    I believe they have legally paid everything they currently owe. Not their fault the laws allow them to hold resources off shore...

    Drop the corporate tax rate and I'm sure they'll bring some additional dollars home. But when you're penalized for being successful, where's the encouragement to even try to work hard and succeed?
     
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    Trump has come to finish what Bush started.
     
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    US tech companies haven't seemed this united since that time they illegally conspired to lower their employees salaries.
     
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    Oh, 'This too shall pass ...' Trump sure doesn't waste time , giving new topics to think or rebel about every other day. I'm sure it isn't soo bad , the educated people will always find a way to emigrate to a better country. The rest of them, stay put.
     
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    Someone just please explain how this wave of immigrants will make us a stronger nation?
     
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    Apple has probably acquired some companies from Iran so probably their employee travel has been affected by the ban.
     
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    By definition alone, every ILLEGAL alien breaks the law the moment they arrive. How many of those do we have again?
     
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    There are too many people here now. We don't need nor can we support any more people irrespective of creed, color, race, sex, orientation, etc.
     
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    More fake outrage. What does Tim Cook and the others care about the Yemenis and the Syrians?
    Have these guys even met anyone different than them in real life?
     
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    Well the last 1000 waves of immigration did us no good, did they?
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    OK, you leave and we can let someone else in.
     
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    Stupid post of the day.

    So according to you humans are just objects, only their skills are important. I guess your ancestors (who probably came from europe) would disagree.
     
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    100%. It's against the law to come here illegally. So if the come illegally they are willingly breaking the law.
     
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