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Somewhere in 2010, we heard Apple has more than half of the industry profits (50%). Last year, we heard that Apple had approximately two-thirds of the industry profits(66%).

Now we hear that Apple holds approximately three-fourths of the industry profits, i.e. 75%.

Surreal.

And oh! Android's winning!

I kind of wonder how they're collecting their data. If you look at nice pretty fractions that you quoted, nothing matches up that perfectly in real statistics. Their estimated margin of error is also missing from the article. Anyway it is pretty insane, but I see this as a pretty graph rather than a detailed analysis.

Hopefully Apple can bury the competition and end the smartphone wars. There is only room for one!

This is not highlander.

How is that going to help innovation? There would be nothing else in the market for Apple to compare themselves with. It wouldn't work.

I never liked making innovation a completely comparative thing where it's an issue of staying one step ahead of the other guy. I don't know whether you meant this or not, so don't take it as an attack. Even if they were the only one manufacturing, without measurable improvements, they will top out on growth as replacement cycles lengthen, especially in areas where the iphone is not subsidized.

When I see the break down of where Apple profits are coming from they seem to have way to many eggs on the iPhone. That is what over 50% of their profit.

You brought up something interesting. Their focus seems to be on their star products. They seem to be selling about as many as they can produce and ship. At what point does Apple look at how they could improve sales on other existing product lines that may not be meeting their potential. I realize that the iphone and ipad generate the most profit, but assuming their manufacturing is at capacity much of the time, how much further will it take them pushing that one avenue? I should note that this is grossly oversimplified. I just don't feel like spending a long time writing a response that will be buried quickly.
 
Economies of scale

This is a solid example the benefits of economies of scale and brand power. This graph alone creates a strong argument for AAPL as a long-term investment.
 
The settop box side makes money.

The phone side would probably make money if they dropped non-smartphones,

Okay. Like I said, Google will come out well if MMI is turned around.

but it they sold it, any amount at all would be a winner; they'd still have paid less per patent.

Why is amount per patent an important number???

If Google ends up spending $4-5 billion or more on patents for Android, and Android only makes revenues of 200 million or so per year with negligible profits, how is this a good deal?

How much has Apple gotten out of their Nortel investment?

I'll assume that's a rhetorical question. :)

As for Android, it's not meant to be a revenue stream to be depended upon. Its primary purpose is leverage against Apple and Microsoft's Bing.

I completely agree with that! But I do think that $12.5 billion plus the remainder of their investment in Android could have gone a long way towards the same goal.
 
When I see the break down of where Apple profits are coming from they seem to have way to many eggs on the iPhone. That is what over 50% of their profit.

Which would be a problem for any other company.

Try substituting the iPod in there. How'd that work out?

Note that Apple has near $100B in reserves. I think they could survive fine
 
Given that there is literally no other product in the world that is comparable to the iPhone in profit, I'm not sure what you are suggesting Apple should do about this. The company has not put "too many eggs on the iPhone", as it has a wide range of other products. The iPhone just happens to be the golden egg, the likes of which don't exist anywhere else in the retail world.

My suggestion would be not to neglect everything else.

lets see Apple pretty much has done relatively little with OSX. It entire computer line is suffering and been getting token updates lately. The "Back to Mac" campaign was a token at best. It seem more about bring iOS to OSX than updating the macs and OSX.

They are negleting everything else for the sake of the iPhone.
 
My suggestion would be not to neglect everything else.

lets see Apple pretty much has done relatively little with OSX. It entire computer line is suffering and been getting token updates lately. The "Back to Mac" campaign was a token at best. It seem more about bring iOS to OSX than updating the macs and OSX.

They are negleting everything else for the sake of the iPhone.

I'm not sure how you leave the iPad out there.

The only product area Apple is neglecting is the iPod, for obvious reasons. All other products areas are growing comfortably with updates in the last year. Mac Pro as the obvious exception.
 
It's time for Apple to create their own search engine. Why allow Google to profit from their platform while simultaneously stabbing them in the back? It makes no sense.



Eventually Samsung will tire of being the preeminent ad platform for Google and fork their own version of Android with their own advertising stream, removing Google from the equation (see: Amazon Fire). What happens to Google when the other hardware makers can't make any money servicing Google's data-collection needs?

On allowing Google Maps on the iPhone after Google entered the Smartphone market:

"Just because we are competing with somebody doesn't mean we have to be rude." - Steve Jobs
@ 2:36 (youtube)

Apple does not have to own everything. Let them do what they do best, leave the other stuff to someone else.


My suggestion would be not to neglect everything else.

lets see Apple pretty much has done relatively little with OSX. It entire computer line is suffering and been getting token updates lately. The "Back to Mac" campaign was a token at best. It seem more about bring iOS to OSX than updating the macs and OSX.

They are negleting everything else for the sake of the iPhone.

I think you people are looking at this two platforms with the wrong perspective.

On which platform are manufacturer focusing more: PC or Smartphones?

Why?

The PC has been around for more than 30 years, the Smartphones for something like 3. Which one has more likely to get more traction?

Also, what are other manufacturer are bringing to PC innovation?

Innovation became less occurring overtime unless of a breakthrough. The only things that can be brought at the moment are: better hardware, which has a steady growth, or better OS paradigm which Apple did a many of you don't like.

On another note, the App Store, and the addition of sandbox security and gate keeper are - in my opinion - valid contributions. Sorry, but expecting a game changer innovation every year, especially in the PC market is extremely unlikely.
 
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Interesting how minuscule the profits of the other companies are compared to Apple and Samsung. And of course, Apple's share is considerably larger than Samsung's as well... Thinking of where Apple has been before in the past (i.e. rock bottom at one point), I still find the magnitude and success of modern day Apple a bit hard to fathom sometimes...
 
Just looking at the chart, Apple has hurt Nokia the most. They are almost opposite images of one another.

A great deal of what Nokia is experiencing - at least in recent quarters - is self inflicted. They had a much larger piece of the phone pie with Symbian and decided the future was Windows phone. In doing so, they sacrificed a lot of short term growth and profit over the last year and probably though much of this year. We'll get a good sense in 2013 if this paid off.

This is slightly different than RIMM, for example, which is just getting clobbered.
 
The whole android vs ios battle just annoys me. Yes, iPhone was the first, yes it has a ******** of patents, yes android copied some things and yes, iOS copied some (less) things (notifications anyone). Let the courts decide and love your own choice of device.

Why do both android and ios enthusiasts (not use the f-word) feel the need to bash the other side to the point of wanting to obliterated them? (I have Android-using colleagues and I read these forums).

There's a market for both. period. I myself prefer iPhone, but don't care if my neighbour or my wife prefers Android. It's a phone, not a statement on your person.

rant over, nothing to see here.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/galaxy-s-iii-whats-changed/ my next phone will be an galaxy s3 how cool, by the way i will never ever buy again an iphone, till i see more freedom of choices in it:)
macbook pro yes, but iphone or ipad, never ever again!
 
So does Samsung count as "smartphone profits" the components they manufacture and sell to Apple for the iPhone?

It's truly incredible how a company that dominated so much of a market for a relatively long time, such as Nokia and RIM, can fall so rapidly into the abyss in a few years only.

Don't worry - Nokia is in excellent (if sweaty) hands now. :D

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So does Samsung count as "smartphone profits" the components they manufacture and sell to Apple for the iPhone?

That's like asking if Motorola counts transistor sales as radio sales :)

The answer is no.

Samsung's "Component" group makes memory chips, large scale integrated circuits such as CPUs, hard drives, and LCD screens.

Their "Set" group makes end products such as mobile phones, MP3 players, TVs, monitors, printers, microwave ovens, refrigerators, cameras, computers, etc.
 
You brought up something interesting. Their focus seems to be on their star products. They seem to be selling about as many as they can produce and ship. At what point does Apple look at how they could improve sales on other existing product lines that may not be meeting their potential. I realize that the iphone and ipad generate the most profit, but assuming their manufacturing is at capacity much of the time, how much further will it take them pushing that one avenue? I should note that this is grossly oversimplified. I just don't feel like spending a long time writing a response that will be buried quickly.

My suggestion would be not to neglect everything else.

lets see Apple pretty much has done relatively little with OSX. It entire computer line is suffering and been getting token updates lately. The "Back to Mac" campaign was a token at best. It seem more about bring iOS to OSX than updating the macs and OSX.

They are negleting everything else for the sake of the iPhone.

Why does it have to be an either or thing? We can all see that the Macintosh part of Apple's business is declining in terms of Apple's overall business. We can also see that Apple is devoting a lot of resources to the iPhone and iOS.

So here's the thought exercise. If Apple were to shift some focus/resources from iPhone/iOS to Mac/OS X, would they be actually be able to increase revenue and/or profits in that division? What more can they do? Mountain Lion is already on track for a summer release. The new Macbook Air/Pro lines will be ready when Intel gets the chips out. OK, they've totally dropped any pretense of keeping the Mac Pro line fresh, but they probably weren't making much money on it anyways.

What would you have them do with the Mac division? They're already sucking up the profits in that market sector ... what more can they do?
 
Why does it have to be an either or thing? We can all see that the Macintosh part of Apple's business is declining in terms of Apple's overall business. We can also see that Apple is devoting a lot of resources to the iPhone and iOS.

So here's the thought exercise. If Apple were to shift some focus/resources from iPhone/iOS to Mac/OS X, would they be actually be able to increase revenue and/or profits in that division? What more can they do? Mountain Lion is already on track for a summer release. The new Macbook Air/Pro lines will be ready when Intel gets the chips out. OK, they've totally dropped any pretense of keeping the Mac Pro line fresh, but they probably weren't making much money on it anyways.

What would you have them do with the Mac division? They're already sucking up the profits in that market sector ... what more can they do?

Better question, what is anyone doing in the laptop space that's so amazing and innovative? Answer: nothing. Like you said, Apple owns the profits there, why do they even have to go and introduce something revolutionary and innovative when they're doing just fine
 
Poor poor Nokia.

And notice how steady HTC has stayed. There's something to be said for modest but consistent profits.
 
Where's Motorola in all of this?

Here:
Motorola Mobility has just released its Q1 2012 financial report, and while the company saw a significant increase in the number of smartphones it shipped compared to last year, it lost even more money this time around.

Motorola reported shipping a total of 8.9 million mobile devices, including 5.1 million smartphones, in Q1 2012 compared to the 6.2 million mobile phones and 2.3 million smartphones it delivered in Q1 2011. Still, that wasn't enough to stop the bleeding, as losses were up to $86 million on revenues of $3.1 billion.

The company reiterated in its report that its pending acquisition by Google is expected to close during the first half of this year. Though the purchase has been approved in the U.S. and Europe, the companies are still working to get it approved by the Chinese government.

source
 

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As much as I don't like the current Nokia or Motorola phones, there needs to be more competition. Having Apple and Samsung covering most of the market between them is not a good thing for anyone.

Looks like a great opportunity. Put something together and put it on the market.
 
Profits don't mean sales

The trouble with a profits graph is that it doesn't reflect how well they are selling, just that the company is making more money off what it does sell. Is that the same as market success? YMMV. I think a graph of units sold would be much more meaningful.

(And then weight the units sold graph versus the profits graph to see how much profit per unit they are making.....)
 
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