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Apple and Samsung Moving into 'Hate-Hate' Relationship

12dylan34 said:
I would say that Apple should make some anti Samsung ads like Samsung is making about Apple, but I don't think that people would know who they're talking about without actually saying the name of the company. To most people, I think, there's the iPhone and there's everything else. Samsung is just another name in the bucket.
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Apple is iconic. And it's users (at least many on this forum) brag about things like how long lines are for product launches vs any other phone manufacturer/device.

That's the reason Apple can't reverse the ad without naming a rival. It's a double edged sword for Apple fans. They want to brag about long lines (as if that means anything really) but then get upset when there are ads pointing the long lines out.

As I've said before - the fact that the iPhone, at times - is impossible to "obtain" isn't really a plus for me. But then again - I haven't bought anything because it was popular. I've bought the best tech for my use case. If I never had to wait on a line or have a product delay because of how popular it was - suits me just fine.

I love my iPhone 4. But I loved the fact I just walked in when I was ready to also get a Skyrocket and ATT had one in stock. No muss - no fuss.
 
samcraig said:
And yet - no mention of Apple or iPhone in Samsung's commercials.

So I guess some iPhone users take those commercials way too seriously/personally. Are the ads implying iPhone and Apple - no doubt. But just like Apple - they are just drawing comparisons.
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Samsung isn't going after HTC or Windows. Its pretty obvious who they are trying to upset.
 
Abazigal said:
What Samsung seems to be doing with their phones of late, is to just throw together a laundry list of tech features, slap a phone casing around them, and hope that consumers happen to like some of them, and regardless of whether these features are adequately supported or even practical to use in the first place.

I am not sure if this can be called innovation. Anyone can include LTE, quad-core processors, NFC chips and wireless charging in a phone; not everyone can do it in a manner that works intuitively for the consumer (eg: does not result in excessive battery drain, utilise apps optimised for multiple cores, not require a custom casing for charging), and I feel that true innovation is doing it in a way that is most beneficial to the users and serves their needs best.

For instance, what has Samsung done to promote the proliferation of NFC services beyond just including them as a feature on their phones? Nothing. It's just another bullet point they can tout over the iphone. :p
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Umm, google wallet works better than passbook. You can't use passbook anywhere and it requires the stores to modify there existing equipment. A ton of stores take mastercard paypass which is what google wallet uses. No modifications are necessary. The galaxy s3 has very good battery life on lte so that point is false as well. In my post did I mention anything about quad cores, lte, or wireless charging. I talked about software and form factor not specs.
 
MonkeySee.... said:
Samsung isn't going after HTC or Windows. Its pretty obvious who they are trying to upset.
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Apple isn't going after HTC or Windows.

Want to know why?

Because Samsung and Apple are competitors. Samsung poses a true threat more than any other manufacturer. And clearly Samsung is going after Apple because they are the "other" choice as far as they are concerned.

Why would Samsung go after MS (for example) - their marketshare is almost non-existent.
 
mbhebsgaard said:
They will end up growing up :)
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They will end up having some great make-up sex after Apple looses some quality and Samsung looses a boatload of apples money.
:) Maybe even an open letter about apple playing nice with other companies.
 
tasset said:
It surely hasn't helped that Samsung has proven shameless in replicating Apple. But even if they had not, this is smart business anyway. Allowing your component suppliers to move up the value chain (look at the history of Asus and their affect on Dell), then you allow them to eat your lunch in the long term. Best to have multiple competitive suppliers and thereby weaken their efforts to gather strength.
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agree 100%. Why give business to a supplier who has a clear ambition to take your market?
 
Apple's move to TSMC will be interesting. TSMC tends to be first to new processes but also has the most issues. They also have a lot of customers vying for their new nodes. Makes me wonder if the idea of a dedicated fab from TSMC is coming true.
 
samcraig said:
Apple isn't going after HTC or Windows.

Want to know why?

Because Samsung and Apple are competitors. Samsung poses a true threat more than any other manufacturer. And clearly Samsung is going after Apple because they are the "other" choice as far as they are concerned.

Why would Samsung go after MS (for example) - their marketshare is almost non-existent.
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I'm not ready to discount MS quite yet. I've made some harsh comments in the past about iPhone, because I just don't get the fascination, particularly compared to the competition. That said, I absolutely love Macs, and use them almost exclusively. My point being that I'm most definitely not on the MS bandwagon. However, it seems to me that while other companies have been locking horns, MS has been hard at work developing a pretty substantial unified OS for PC, tablets and phones. I'm not sure how it is going to take off, but all naysaying aside… it's some pretty powerful and ambitious stuff.

Seems half the people I know are waiting impatiently for the surface pro - including nearby county government offices considering switching from iPads to Surface tablets do to the increased functionality and full administrative capacity. I think they are doing something quite significant here, and considering that the vast majority of the world does in fact use windows, I think they are in a pretty good position to make some positive waves. I have no intention of jumping ship, but I will admit… I would love to have a surface pro.
 
This seems like the only logical move.

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tasset said:
It surely hasn't helped that Samsung has proven shameless in replicating Apple. But even if they had not, this is smart business anyway. Allowing your component suppliers to move up the value chain (look at the history of Asus and their affect on Dell), then you allow them to eat your lunch in the long term. Best to have multiple competitive suppliers and thereby weaken their efforts to gather strength.
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Agreed. It was only a matter of time before this happened.
 
jayenh said:
Yeah, because Apple has never made an advertisement that targets the competition or it's customers...
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if you are referring to the old I'm a Mac/I'm a PC series of commercials, they worked at a completely different level -- John Hodgeman's PC was funny and sympathetic, and PC users did not walk away feeling like their intelligence was insulted -- everyone on both sides enjoyed those commercials. As for the Samsung ads, they are clearly painting iPhone buyers as lemming morons and the ads end up insulting them. People do not like being insulted by companies trying to get their business.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
... when they lose that spot burning all the bridges will come back to haunt them.
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Possibly,,, but it can also be possible that it will all be water under the bridge. The reason why is because companies will (typically) try to make the best decision that suits them the best at that time, regardless of the past. For example, Microsoft/Apple had a rivalry where Apple felt betrayed, but eventually that subsided. I'm sure there's are other bridges burnt between Microsoft/Yahoo; Apple/IBM, Nokia/Microsoft rivalries etc.
I find that enemies work things out when they are faced with a common enemy.

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SAMMY! Stop copy-catting Apple.
APPLE! Stop being a jerk to Sam.
You guys will need each other in the future, so you better make up now!
 
chrmjenkins said:
Apple's move to TSMC will be interesting. TSMC tends to be first to new processes but also has the most issues. They also have a lot of customers vying for their new nodes. Makes me wonder if the idea of a dedicated fab from TSMC is coming true.
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I heard Apple tried to move to TSMC with the A6 but could not due to issues with TSMC's 32 nm process, but it appears TSMC has those issues resolved now
and seems to be in good shape for 22 nm, which is when Apple will jump over next year.
 
I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn't being critical. I was just stating that at current, the competition to Apple is not Samsung.

There's no reason for Apple or Samsung to "invest" in bashing MS at this stage. There's no marketshare to really gain. Not to mention - how would either company look to be "picking" on a company (although big) who represents so little in the marketplace (at current).

rhuber said:
I'm not ready to discount MS quite yet. I've made some harsh comments in the past about iPhone, because I just don't get the fascination, particularly compared to the competition. That said, I absolutely love Macs, and use them almost exclusively. My point being that I'm most definitely not on the MS bandwagon. However, it seems to me that while other companies have been locking horns, MS has been hard at work developing a pretty substantial unified OS for PC, tablets and phones. I'm not sure how it is going to take off, but all naysaying aside… it's some pretty powerful and ambitious stuff.

Seems half the people I know are waiting impatiently for the surface pro - including nearby county government offices considering switching from iPads to Surface tablets do to the increased functionality and full administrative capacity. I think they are doing something quite significant here, and considering that the vast majority of the world does in fact use windows, I think they are in a pretty good position to make some positive waves. I have no intention of jumping ship, but I will admit… I would love to have a surface pro.
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game changer?

I am so sick of hearing that Apple has not produced a "game changer" with the i phone 5
they changed the game when they invented the phone in the first place and they are winning the game handily . we keep score in business with these things called dollars in a column called net profit not by how many units we can give away . Apple is the clear winner here

i got my i phone 5 last week
#1 panorama is really fun
#2 maps has gotten me where i needed to go with about 90% less anxiety as google maps generated .it has dynamically updated route changes in a timely manner and not gotten me lost once and siri if you ask the question correctly has been a great asset
#3 the speed at which the phone updated itself and loaded my music went from a 3 hour process to a five minute process
this phone is a big refinement on an insanely great game changing idea that android is always going to be an also ran behind it

just look at the profit scorecard and stop yapping about "market share"
 
blackhand1001 said:
Umm, google wallet works better than passbook. You can't use passbook anywhere and it requires the stores to modify there existing equipment. A ton of stores take mastercard paypass which is what google wallet uses. No modifications are necessary. The galaxy s3 has very good battery life on lte so that point is false as well. In my post did I mention anything about quad cores, lte, or wireless charging. I talked about software and form factor not specs.
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You are factually and conceptually incorrect with your assessment. Passbook is actually considerably easier to implement and used in more places than Wallet as it requires zero changes to infrastructure and minimal upfront costs. Wallet requires new POS/POP terminals with NFC readers and new contracts with credit processing. Setting up loyalty programs is basically impossible unless you’re a Fortune 500, coupons have to be run through Google Offers (a Groupon-like scam) Wallet is basically only accessible to large corporations right now.

Passbook on the other hand in a worst case scenario requires $99 for a Developer License and the ability to write a JSON document and it’ll work at any store, anywhere. There are added levels of complexity if you want: a server to distribute and push modifications to Passes, a developer to write code that integrates with your database, a 2D barcode scanner if you want to be able to scan codes instead of manually entering the code.

Google Wallet is a solution in search of a problem. Big box retailers can afford the novelty of mobile payments, but none of the small/medium business clients I talk to list “speed of payment” as a major problem. Acquiring customers, retaining customers and increasing check/order averages Passbook helps solve those problems – which is precisely why Google is rushing to introduce those features to Wallet later this year.
 
taojones said:
I am so sick of hearing that Apple has not produced a "game changer" with the i phone 5
they changed the game when they invented the phone in the first place and they are winning the game handily . we keep score in business with these things called dollars in a column called net profit not by how many units we can give away . Apple is the clear winner here

i got my i phone 5 last week
#1 panorama is really fun
#2 maps has gotten me where i needed to go with about 90% less anxiety as google maps generated .it has dynamically updated route changes in a timely manner and not gotten me lost once and siri if you ask the question correctly has been a great asset
#3 the speed at which the phone updated itself and loaded my music went from a 3 hour process to a five minute process
this phone is a big refinement on an insanely great game changing idea that android is always going to be an also ran behind it

just look at the profit scorecard and stop yapping about "market share"
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While all your points might be valid (except for loading speed claim) Android phone owners have been enjoying all these features for quite a while now. Hardly a game changer.
 
Business Reporting like a Gossip Rag

Hate-Hate? Come on, Samsung makes a lot of money from the relationship. Apple gets what it wants that it can't get any better or cheaper. When Samsung turns down the $4 billion they make every year from the relationship, you call me. There's only one irritant: Samsung copies.

Apple is not going to ask Samsung for "help" designing the A6. Apple's assembled a large chip-design operation, and in fact, the iPhone 5 smokes all competition in processor speeds. Why does Apple do this? Because in ARM tech, you can.

Samsung and the other manufacturers have dual and quad-core processors at faster speeds and feeds. Why aren't they faster? Because they don't control the software and the hardware.
 
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