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Apple and Samsung Moving into 'Hate-Hate' Relationship

What is up with these ridiculous headlines? Hate Hate!! Hardly, considering the millions and millions Apple is paying Samsung to churn out millions and millions of SOC's it's hardly a guns at dawn relationship is it :rolleyes:

Either that or Apple has to admit to itself it has NO alternative but to use Samsung to make it's SOC's in which case is should improve relationships.
 
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gnasher729 said:
That needs to be said: Samsung actually created advertisements that specifically target Apple and try to make fun of Apple's customers. Not something that keeps a business relationship healthy.
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Reminds me of when people thought Apple would never make an iPhone for Verizon, because of that early Droid ad mocking "pretty but clueless" phones. "Trade a hair-do for can-do."

Instead, as soon as they could, Apple has ever since made their phones compatible with Verizon.

 
mabhatter said:
Everybody misses that Apple was VERY GOOD to Samsung. Apple spent most of the recession writing Samsung checks for $100's of millions of dollars UP FRONT to retrofit lines for Apple's needs stupid Samsung CEO allowed his phone division to target APPLE SPECIFICALLY... not just features, but press, marketing, etc... Samsung made it "personal" first... Now they're watching Apple pull apart their production business as the contracts expire. Oops!
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Sorry - but again - business is business. Apple didn't do anything for Samsung as charity. The idea that they were "good" to Samsung is a crock. They both benefited (and still do) from their relationship.

But it's quite clear how emotional YOU are about this :)
 
blackhand1001 said:
I am sorry but samsung has been doing a lot of innovative stuff with phones. Have you seen the galaxy note, the note 10.1, the galaxy s3, galaxy nexus. They all had much more innovative features than the iphone 5 which is really nothing gamechanging at all. The galaxy nexus has a curved display, the galaxy note introduced a pretty decent sized market for 5+ inch phones and integrated a digitizer, the galaxy s3 had loads of new software features in the new touchwiz, and the galaxy note 10.1 brought the note to full sized tablets and brought side by side multitasking. The only thing iOS has done in the past year is add facebook integration and a new maps program that has had lukewarm reception at best and most reviews are pretty poor.
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Samsung destroyed Android phones don't ya see? Their Galaxy models are renewed every six months and this is ridiculous even if they are more innovative than iOS, iOS wins by holding its value strong!

In Hong Kong, nobody will buy back a used Galaxy phone, but an brand new iP5 is bought back at no less than USD $1,000, so who wins?

Android phones could have been a major sucess in 21st century if Samsung were not in the play.
 
gnasher729 said:
That needs to be said: Samsung actually created advertisements that specifically target Apple and try to make fun of Apple's customers. Not something that keeps a business relationship healthy.
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Hello I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC. :confused::confused::confused:
 
samcraig said:
Apple is no different. Whether it was keynotes or statements to the press, etc - they bashed their competition - and Samsung, being one of them was not only their competition - but a supplier.

Both parties engaged in the behavior. It's was businesses do. And it's not personal. It's business.
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When was Apple "bashing" Samsung specifically in keynotes? These Samsung phone ads I see on TV now are specifically targeting Apple and Apple alone.
 
gnasher729 said:
That needs to be said: Samsung actually created advertisements that specifically target Apple and try to make fun of Apple's customers. Not something that keeps a business relationship healthy
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Yeah, because Apple has never made an advertisement that targets the competition or it's customers...
 
blackhand1001 said:
I am sorry but samsung has been doing a lot of innovative stuff with phones. Have you seen the galaxy note, the note 10.1, the galaxy s3, galaxy nexus. They all had much more innovative features than the iphone 5 which is really nothing gamechanging at all. The galaxy nexus has a curved display, the galaxy note introduced a pretty decent sized market for 5+ inch phones and integrated a digitizer, the galaxy s3 had loads of new software features in the new touchwiz, and the galaxy note 10.1 brought the note to full sized tablets and brought side by side multitasking. The only thing iOS has done in the past year is add facebook integration and a new maps program that has had lukewarm reception at best and most reviews are pretty poor.
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What Samsung seems to be doing with their phones of late, is to just throw together a laundry list of tech features, slap a phone casing around them, and hope that consumers happen to like some of them, and regardless of whether these features are adequately supported or even practical to use in the first place.

I am not sure if this can be called innovation. Anyone can include LTE, quad-core processors, NFC chips and wireless charging in a phone; not everyone can do it in a manner that works intuitively for the consumer (eg: does not result in excessive battery drain, utilise apps optimised for multiple cores, not require a custom casing for charging), and I feel that true innovation is doing it in a way that is most beneficial to the users and serves their needs best.

For instance, what has Samsung done to promote the proliferation of NFC services beyond just including them as a feature on their phones? Nothing. It's just another bullet point they can tout over the iphone. :p
 
iMacFarlane said:
All good points, but as far as Apple not wanting to be reliant on anyone, to what end?

If Apple makes their own chips, are they going to make their own hard drives? RAM? Capacitors?

Are they going to have their own Silicon, Silver, Aluminum, and Carbon mining/production facilities? Make their own boxes? Cardboard? Will they acquisition acres of forestry to feed their paper mills?

No man is an island, and the same is true of any groups of men. We all rely on each other for something.
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I should have been clearer - obviously Apple will work with partners, but it is good business to ensure that no one partner becomes a single point of failure for a vital component. Apple will seek to diversify their supply chain. Significantly, if your supplier or partner becomes a major competitor and even seeks to copy your product (Samsung and Google being the main examples here) you would be wise to try to lessen your reliance on them - which Apple is doing.
 
With all that cash lying around, it wouldn't shock me to see Apple create its own production line for some of these parts. I know that's a massive undertaking, but Apple is about the one company that could do it.
 
blackhand1001 said:
I am sorry but samsung has been doing a lot of innovative stuff with phones. Have you seen the galaxy note, the note 10.1, the galaxy s3, galaxy nexus. They all had much more innovative features than the iphone 5 which is really nothing gamechanging at all. The galaxy nexus has a curved display, the galaxy note introduced a pretty decent sized market for 5+ inch phones and integrated a digitizer, the galaxy s3 had loads of new software features in the new touchwiz, and the galaxy note 10.1 brought the note to full sized tablets and brought side by side multitasking. The only thing iOS has done in the past year is add facebook integration and a new maps program that has had lukewarm reception at best and most reviews are pretty poor.
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Thanks for the response but I never said that Samsung was not innovative.
 
HarryKNN21 said:
Samsung destroyed Android phones don't ya see? Their Galaxy models are renewed every six months and this is ridiculous even if they are more innovative than iOS, iOS wins by holding its value strong!

In Hong Kong, nobody will buy back a used Galaxy phone, but an brand new iP5 is bought back at no less than USD $1,000, so who wins?

Android phones could have been a major sucess in 21st century if Samsung were not in the play.
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Why does resale value enter into it?

Rogifan said:
When was Apple "bashing" Samsung specifically in keynotes? These Samsung phone ads I see on TV now are specifically targeting Apple and Apple alone.
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When was Samsung bashing Apple specifically. The ads in TV don't mention Apple. It's implied. Just like when Steve Jobs and others get up on stage and criticize their competition whether lightheartedly or not. And I'm pretty sure that (at least in the UK) that Apple is being forced to apologize for their statements (specific) to Samsung. No?
 
jayenh said:
Yeah, because Apple has never made an advertisement that targets the competition or it's customers...
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If Microsoft had been buying billions worth of stuff from Apple at the time, then they probably would figured out some way to stop that, if possible. What I'm saying is not "don't make fun of your competitors", but "don't make fun of your competitor who is also a good customer, and then come crying when that customer starts buying elsewhere".
 
Good marketing Samsung (see the source of the news). The more they portray it as Apple vs Samsung, the more they will be viewed as the leader for Android.

When in fact Google does all the hard work for Android.
 
Abazigal said:
What Samsung seems to be doing with their phones of late, is to just throw together a laundry list of tech features, slap a phone casing around them, and hope that consumers happen to like some of them, and regardless of whether these features are adequately supported or even practical to use in the first place.
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Your "interpretation" which I am sure is not biased at all. Do you REALLY think that's what Samsung does? That they have no thought, process or design involved.

Zunjine said:
I should have been clearer - obviously Apple will work with partners, but it is good business to ensure that no one partner becomes a single point of failure for a vital component. Apple will seek to diversify their supply chain. Significantly, if your supplier or partner becomes a major competitor and even seeks to copy your product (Samsung and Google being the main examples here) you would be wise to try to lessen your reliance on them - which Apple is doing.
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Diversifying the supply chain is good. To a point. But the more diverse one gets - the bigger "liability" QA becomes.
 
IGregory said:
You are right - Apple needs to be careful to not cut off its nose in order to spite its face. The Romans, at one time, were very powerful. But, it all came crumbling down.
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indeed, this has happened to many big businesses before and will happen again. Once your at the top there no place to go but down.

For me I don’t care so much as to what processor/parts are in the device but if they don't make the products that people want instead of what products they want people to have, I think they are wasting their money becoming independent.
 
the only party benefiting from this apple-samsung never ending battle is us the consumers, the more they fight, the more they hate each other, and the more each one of them try being more innovative, the better products we are having !

HAIL to apple-samsung hate-hate relationship :D


unless of course samsung copy apple innovations and rebrand them, which sucks from a consumer pov!
 
jayenh said:
Other than the Apple logo at the end, how is it not the same?
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A PC is represented by a man in a suit = PC's are boring

A Mac is represented by a young kid who is "hip" = Mac's are fun


Samsung ad......all iPhone users are ****ing idiots.
 
I would say that Apple should make some anti Samsung ads like Samsung is making about Apple, but I don't think that people would know who they're talking about without actually saying the name of the company. To most people, I think, there's the iPhone and there's everything else. Samsung is just another name in the bucket.
 
nick_elt said:
No one benefits.
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Best post of the thread.
One thing I have learned over the years is no one trust Apple and is always ready for an Apple back stab. Plan and simple is if you work with Apple always have something in the back pocket to protect yourself from them. Apple will not be top dog forever and when they lose that spot burning all the bridges will come back to haunt them.
 
MonkeySee.... said:
A PC is represented by a man in a suit = PC's are boring

A Mac is represented by a young kid who is "hip" = Mac's are fun


Samsung ad......all iPhone users are ****ing idiots.
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And yet - no mention of Apple or iPhone in Samsung's commercials.

So I guess some iPhone users take those commercials way too seriously/personally. Are the ads implying iPhone and Apple - no doubt. But just like Apple - they are just drawing comparisons.
 
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