Apple and Samsung Moving into 'Hate-Hate' Relationship

[hamkor04]

You're kidding? Apple buys multiple BILLION$$ in parts from Samsung. Apple accounts for like 20% of Samsung semiconductor/parts sales. Only Sony buys more parts. More importantly, Apple has long term contracts they have PREPAID for setup and upgrades needed.

If Samsung tried to cut Apple off they would have contract suits for BILLIONS in breech liability... And no OTHER company would take them seriously to invest money in them.

Everybody misses that Apple was VERY GOOD to Samsung. Apple spent most of the recession writing Samsung checks for $100's of millions of dollars UP FRONT to retrofit lines for Apple's needs stupid Samsung CEO allowed his phone division to target APPLE SPECIFICALLY... not just features, but press, marketing, etc... Samsung made it "personal" first... Now they're watching Apple pull apart their production business as the contracts expire. Oops!

Like iPhone or not, early on, 3/4 of the Bill of Materials cost for iPods and iPhones was going right back to SAMSUNG'S pocket... You just don't say bad things about the product when you got that kind of money in the deal.

I really don't want to go "deep conversation" about your views.
Just, will say simple truth - Apple doesn't give a sh*** about any suppliers or these days even customers. As you say Apple did "favour" with it's upfront checks.
As a consumer I really wanted to see some manufacturer who got the balls to stand against Apple. Or you want to follow new Apple era as they "direct" you

 

[LordVic]

if you are referring to the old I'm a Mac/I'm a PC series of commercials, they worked at a completely different level -- John Hodgeman's PC was funny and sympathetic, and PC users did not walk away feeling like their intelligence was insulted -- everyone on both sides enjoyed those commercials. As for the Samsung ads, they are clearly painting iPhone buyers as lemming morons and the ads end up insulting them. People do not like being insulted by companies trying to get their business.

I absolutely felt as a standard personal computer geek that my intelligence was directly insulted by those commercials.

The commercials first and foremost were a blatant attempt for Apple to tell the world that they are not PC's, and that everyone using a "non apple personal computer" was using a boring, drab and often buffooon like system. Making silly quirps and remarks that were silly and attempting to make us laugh at the character for his behaviour.

anyone who fancies themselves a geek in the tech industry right away should have had issue with this campaign as it was outright targetting 'stupidity' of the everyday folk to not know even the core of what they were talking about.

Apple is completely Hypocritical if they're taking offense to Samsung's slights, as Apple has taken pot shots at other competitors in the past.

If you're going to play the game, play it. Don't cry foul when others use your own strategy against you.

 

[Anuba]

To me passbook is more about getting rid of the 90 rewards cards I have, being able to use to to pay for Starbucks and having movie tickets on it, etc are just a plus.

Well at least you can use it for something. For many of us outside the US, Passbook is just another goddamned non-removable icon that we have to put away somewhere (here's looking at you, Newsstand, fiendish empty shelf from hell).

 

[tylernol]

Adopting a natural evolution in wireless technology is not a game changer. There is nothing special about adding LTE.

I think Android phones got bigger because manufacturers are obsessed with larger displays.

adding LTE when it does not detract from the size and battery life of the phone is special. So yes, Android has had LTE "for years".. but it has been a bad trade-off -- all the Android LTE users I know leave LTE disabled since it eats their battery life up.

 

[samcraig]

Apple is completely Hypocritical if they're taking offense to Samsung's slights, as Apple has taken pot shots at other competitors in the past.

If you're going to play the game, play it. Don't cry foul when others use your own strategy against you.

Apple isn't upset. It's fans are. I don't think Apple really cares about Samsung's commercials.

adding LTE when it does not detract from the size and battery life of the phone is special. So yes, Android has had LTE "for years".. but it has been a bad trade-off -- all the Android LTE users I know leave LTE disabled since it eats their battery life up.

But again - that's not a game changer. Maybe if you could define what game changing means to you? Because I think you (and others) have a very different idea what "game changing" actually is.

 

[LordVic]

M$ didn't LOAN Apple money. It was a "settlement" because Apple caught M$ ripping off Apple for Quicktime code after M$ hired ex-Apple Quicktime Developers, San Francisco Caynon Co.. In their little out of court settlement. M$ paid Apple a decent size amount of money, bought so many restricted shares of Apple and agreed to continue to make Office for Apple. It was promoted as helping bail Apple out. Look at the amount Apple had in cash at the time (about $1.5 Billion) and the amount of money M$ gave to Apple was in the hundreds of millions. Microsoft also bought and then later sold their non-voting stock. (BIG MISTAKE to have sold so soon.)

The media made it sound like Microsoft was bailing out Apple, because it makes Microsoft look good.

um. wrong?

Apple was nearly bankrupt in the 90's. They were going after a lot of people legally, Microsoft included. Court after Court told Apple tthey were wrong and Microsoft wasn't ripping Apple off, but Apple never stopped telling the world Windows was a direct ripoff of Apples invention of the GUI (which we all know wasn't invented by Apple).

It wasn't till late 90's, when Apple was nearly bankrupt, the "all powerfull Jobs" was gone and working for his own pet project NextStep developing his ideal next gen OS, that Apple finally couldn't go on anymore. They were month's away from closing up.

Microsoft, Realizing there was potential for growing marketshare, and picking up some good 'cred' (cause admitingly had some terrible press in the 90's), purchased somewhere around $200 Million in NON VOTING stock of Apple. In return, Apple agreed to stop harassing Microsoft about the GUI, and allowed for Microsoft Office to be cross platform and fully support documents created in both Windows and Apple's OS.

 

[blackhand1001]

yea but they are makeing a hell lot of dough with the supllies for Apples products. They would loose a hole heap of money which they would never catch with their other sales.

So it would hurt them more then Apple.

No it would barely effect them at all. Samsung is such a diversified company. Probably one of the most diversified in the world. They make almost everything. Chips, computers, phones, appliances, cars, ships and many other things. While apple makes a lot of cell phones and orders a lot of chips its a drop in the bucket compared to the entire company of Samsung. Apple on the other hand has no real alternative at the moment that can match Samsung's yields on chips. TMSC is no where near close. Without someone to make chips they're screwed as the iphone and ipad are where apple makes all of its money.

 

[Melab]

adding LTE when it does not detract from the size and battery life of the phone is special. So yes, Android has had LTE "for years".. but it has been a bad trade-off -- all the Android LTE users I know leave LTE disabled since it eats their battery life up.

No. Adding LTE is not a game changer because Android phones had it first, it is not a game changer because LTE is the standard that the industry is moving towards collectively. Being a first adopter in this case is not special and simply having a longer battery life with it is not revolutionary.

 

[gus6464]

yea but they are makeing a hell lot of dough with the supllies for Apples products. They would loose a hole heap of money which they would never catch with their other sales.

So it would hurt them more then Apple.

You really have no clue how many divisions Samsung has. Their product portfolio is so massive compared to Apple it's not even funny. The amount of money Apple pays them to fab their chips is nothing compared to their entire bottom line. Samsung is entering other markets left and right and making great competing products. For example in SSD's, their in-house built controllers are superb and their SSDs are now known to be some of the most reliable, if not the most reliable on the market (which BTW now Apple uses on their macbooks).

Apple needs Samsung a lot more than Samsung needs Apple.

 

[Tingler]

You mean Apple. Samsung's going to partner with Microsoft in the end and Apple needs to make up a very large supply, and they've been buying all the supplies they can already. Cutting out Samsung will only mean higher prices on components and lower supply. Samsung will lose money in the short term as they grow their way out of it, but Apple will need to spend more.

Anyone who thinks Apple can legitimately crush Samsung is completely without idea of how the market works. What do they replace Samsung's foundry with? And what happens when Samsung starts dumping chips onto the market to reduce prices of all products? I mean, how much money does Samsung make on the iPhone? A few billion? Isn't it Apple's life blood? Why on earth would they mess with their supply lines over bounce-back?

iOS has a decade before it becomes Mac OS X. I like OS X. But its not outrageously useful for most tasks, I use it mostly to surf the web and consume entertainment. For work, video games, and even Java/Flash games, Windows far outclasses Mac OS. You just get to a certain point with a $650 device and wonder-where's the growth? Apple can't really increase the ppi on their set. They can add more RAM, a better processor, and maybe a faster connection. iOS 6 is lame compared to iOS 5 in so many ways. This is not innovation. And this is not enough to "dominate" mobile markets too much longer. Apple is playing defense instead of offense. Instead of suing, they should be innovating and leaving their competition in the dust. Want to steal our old technology? Great: Galaxy SIII: As capable as the iPhone 4. Imagine the ads if that were the case. And it could've been the case.

Any potential partnership between Microsoft and Samsung will not be anywhere as big or significant as the one between Microsoft and Nokia. Nokia makes the best Windows Phones thanks to the exclusive partnership and they will have Microsoft's priority for a long while.

At this moment, Samsung needs Apple a lot more than Apple needs Samsung.

 

[Ryan John]

Not really. Microsoft and Apple signed an agreement not to copy each other in the mobile phone market so seeing Apple part ways with another competitor, Samsung, only encourages more innovation and competition on Microsoft's part.

The only one who is being left out here is Samsung.

Incorrect, Samsung has partnered with Microsoft for a number of Windows 8 devices.

 

[kdarling]

adding LTE when it does not detract from the size and battery life of the phone is special.

Yes, it was special of Qualcomm to come up with such an LTE solution.

 

[rorschach]

Steve Jobs wasn't Apple. The original statement was that companies do not hate each other.

Well, "companies" don't do or feel anything. The people running the companies do.

 

[Tingler]

Incorrect, Samsung has partnered with Microsoft for a number of Windows 8 devices.

In my original post I was referring to partnerships that create potential for great innovation such as the one Apple and Samsung used to have in designing chips together. What innovation has arrived from the Microsoft/Samsung "partnership"? None. Microsoft's number one partner is Nokia, which is why Nokia has the most innovative Windows Phones.

For Microsoft, Samsung is just another hardware manufacturer out of many to whom they can license the Windows Phone OS. Samsung knows this.

 

[tbone0726]

Samsung should just cut em off.

Naive much?

 

[Anuba]

Really? You have clearly never created anything of your own before.

Creating stuff has been my professional life for 20 years, but in my quiet little B2B garden where I collaborate with other small companies we don't steal from eachother or declare war or anything like that.
Come to think of it, I did have my creations stolen once... I worked for a tiny Swedish software company and designed their website. A few months later I noticed that a rather large American music hardware manufacturer had taken the navigation buttons from our site -- not made similar ones, these were the same bitmaps down to the last pixel -- and just changed the text labels. Didn't bother me, I thought it was kinda cute and flattering that this big Yankee corporation felt that the best way to represent the company online was to use graphics stolen from a complete Photoshop n00b in Scandinavia.

Anyway... if I on the other hand decided to enter the dog-eat-dog world of global business and engage in cutthroat competition in the big league against all the other giant, cynical backstabbing corporate juggernauts who eat eachother for breakfast, I would grow some skin and leave my crybaby attitude at home. "Mooooom! They kinda-sorta stole our stuff!" Boo hoo, join the club. If you're hugely successful worldwide with anything -- gadgets, clothes, vehicles -- copycats will be lining up around the block to make stuff that looks just like yours if you squint. Be happy for the money you made in the short time your product was unique, enjoy the bragging rights for having created the original, move on with your life... and stop crying. Or, get out of the kitchen.

 

[Macaveli213]

Apple has turned into a soar loser. All they do is slow down the industry with their silly childish lawsuits and this "I'm taking my ball and going home" mentality.

Suing because other phones have a rectangular shape? That's like Sony suing Samsung for making rectangular TV's. Please don't say they used Apple patents internally, because it was proven that they didn't. (not to mention how much of what's inside the the iPhone isn't made by Apple) They run on completely different operating systems. Why can't they be like Google? Always open, and "truly" innovative. Enough of this we are the so powerful and mythical Apple, because they're not. I used an iPhone for 5 years straight. From the 2G to the 4S. This year, I switched to Android. Haven't looked back since. I was the biggest iFan, but I realized what they're doing to their consumers. Enough already.


Me switching is already evidence that they can fall, and they will fall.


Also, ask yourselves the most important question. With Steve gone, what's next from Apple? Yes they can keep milking the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, and of course they'll always make computers, but what's next? What's the next WOW product that changes everything. Like the way the iPod did, and the iPhone, and the iPad.

Just think about it...

 

[Taz Mangus]

Never mind.

 

[JoshAlfie]

Me switching is already evidence that they can fall, and they will fall.


Also, ask yourselves the most important question. With Steve gone, what's next from Apple? Yes they can keep milking the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, and of course they'll always make computers, but what's next? What's the next WOW product that changes everything. Like the way the iPod did, and the iPhone, and the iPad.

Just think about it...

Firstly, you switching doesn't indicate anything when the market is buying up iPhone's faster than the company can supply them.

Secondly, why does Apple need to produce this "WOW" product? Just because Apple has had major "hits" with the iPod, iPhone and iPad you think that they need to keeping pumping out new products. That the silliest reasoning I've seen to criticise a company.

Why don't you blame other companies then too? Companies like Acer, Asus, Dell, Samsung, etc, for not producing a new product? Heck i want a revolutionary fridge Samsung what the hell are you doing you're not being inventive?!

Sounds stupid doesn't it? Well that is essentially what you're saying just because Apple hasn't made anything new since 2010 (albeit i feel the Retina Macbook is one of those "new" devices).

Apple is being more inventive than any other tech company of the last decade. That is fact. So quit whining.

You think about it.

 

[-hh]

Businesses don't "hate" each other

They compete, steal, copy, emulate, aspire towards, but hate?

There can certainly be competitive animosity, and that will be a factor in how hard they work at copy/stealing the other's works.

It's just business ... Apple has been on a drive to develop it's own chip design competency for a few years now. They had to rely on others until they mature their own shop... and now that they've are getting better at it, they probably just in-sourced the role that Samsung played. I don't think hate played a role, if they have the skill set in-house, they would do it themselves.

That's half of it. Apple's interests lie in coming up with concrete changes that allow their products to be differentiated. By cutting Samsung down to just a foundry ... instead of co-designer ... it makes it substantially harder for Samsung to lay claim to any shared IP rights.

If you want it done right, do it yourself.

Except that the sum of the whole exeeds its constituent parts.

I see this move as a way to curtail any IP claims by Samsung on anything coming from Apple - - the regulations for "Trusted Foundry" are quite specific, so if Samsung peeks at the Apple masks and gets caught, they will be in for a very hefty bag of legal hurt.


-hh

 

[bearcatrp]

Samsung should just cut em off.

+1. Samsung should have cut apple off a year ago and made them fend for themself. Apple will find out TSMC will not be as cooperative as samsung has been. Apple tried earlier with TSMC and didn't get what they wanted.

 

[JoshAlfie]

+1. Samsung should have cut apple off a year ago and made them fend for themself. Apple will find out TSMC will not be as cooperative as samsung has been. Apple tried earlier with TSMC and didn't get what they wanted.

Why you even on this website?

 

[Kr00]

Samscum

Samscum must be full of idiots. When was it smart business to screw your biggest business partner over, just to sell some cloned iPhones? Once Apple have left them in their wake, they can only hope to sell enough clones to make up the loss. That's what you get for being greedy little douches. No doubt Apple will turn their next chip supplier into a bigger company than samscum.

 

[samcraig]

Samscum must be full of idiots. When was it smart business to screw your biggest business partner over, just to sell some cloned iPhones? Once Apple have left them in their wake, they can only hope to sell enough clones to make up the loss. That's what you get for being greedy little douches. No doubt Apple will turn their next chip supplier into a bigger company than samscum.

Nice tirade. None of Samsung phones are clones. Do you know what a clone is - or do you just like speaking in hyperbole? Further - Samsung doesn't need for Apple to be a business partner/vendor for them (if they wanted) to copy the iphone. They can go to the store like you and I and buy one.

As for being greedy - they are no more/no less than Apple.

Your post and language should embarrass you.

 

[firewood]

Samsung should just cut em off.

Which Samsung? Samsung is a massive messy conglomerate run by hundreds to thousands of executives, some of whom make Billions of dollars in profits for the company selling parts to Apple, perhaps earn nice bonuses for doing so, and want to keep their jobs. All these executive also work for a board of directors and big shareholders (and are possibly beholden to government entities) who would not look kindly at a decrease of Billions of forward profits and positive foreign exchange, and/or the loss thousands of jobs (potentially including some of those powerful successful executives).