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Friggin haters? 5K is what the price is for

Also, for all you GPU haters out there: the 290X is amazing! Everyone knows Apple won't shove the ABSOLUTE best gpu, so i was surprised. In a scaled, its rated about 6500! Granted, the 980 is about 9000, but still. Around 3000 is all thats needed for 30FPS games, etc.

Haters...

a 30fps OS
 
Thunderbolt 1&2 can technically do the throughput. One problem is your GPU can't do the resolution. The max output of the 750M (your graphics GPU chip) is 4096 x 2160 at 24Hz.

See: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP690?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
  • HDMI video output
  • Support for 1080p resolution at up to 60Hz
  • Support for 3840-by-2160 resolution at 30Hz
  • Support for 4096-by-2160 resolution at 24Hz

Apple *might* be working on a Thunderbolt 5K display that supports 4096x2160/38040x2160/1080p input and upscales it to 5K.

The power of your 750M isn't going to do much at 4096x2160 24Hz other than normal desktop apps. You can still play games at 1080p like a lot of people do on 4K displays.

Edit addition: What will be interesting, is if we will get a MacBook Pro update with GPU's that can support 5K external output...... I really really wish they'd tell us! PLEASE APPLE!


His Mac Pro has a 750M?
 
the top end CTO AMD graphics card for this maxes out most new games at 40-60fps....so its def competent for games.
 
and what about the cpu and gpu?



I don't buy that.

A) It's not profitable.

B) A BTO retina iMac with quad-core i7(~4790k?), 16gb of ddr3 ram and 4gb video ram costs 3200 [3500 after taxes]

I just built a hexa-core i7-5820k, 16gb of ddr4 ram, and gtx 980 computer with a 2k (1440p) display for about 2,000 after taxes.

So Apple is charging a ~1500 premium for a 2k->5k display upgrade.

FALSE! The Dell 5K display as $2500 on it's own.
( $2500 ) That's the price of the iMac with the display before customising it.
That's called a good price.
 
This is a computer display, not a TV.



Does not matter if it is computer display or a TV it will still need a internet to stream a movie or a TV Show it least 4K or more, there might be things that does not need internet to get 5K but if it comes to Netflix than it is more than just a computer display.
 
For all those of you talking about using this new Retina model as a display: Target Display Mode has been dropped from the Spec' sheet. It was listed under "Video and Camera Supprt" for the old models: http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/.

This makes perfect sense given the bandwidth limitations of Thunderbolt compared with the requirements of a '5k' display.

No more iMac-as-a-display. :(
 
What you mean is TN (Twisted Nematic). Those are infamous for their inferior image quality compared to IPS. TFT (Thin Film Transistor) is more a general category for flat screen monitors.

Yeah, I realized that in a later post. I should go edit that one. Feel like an idiot, but like I said in that other post, there are so many dozens of abbreviations when it comes to displays. It's ridiculous!
 
While impressive, the one thing I've taken away from this announcement is my excitement for next years iMac refresh. GPU's right now across the board are really struggling with 4k, so once they catch up I'll be excited for a new 5k iMac. I'm sure the one included in this machine is good enough, but to really shine 5k needs some major horsepower behind it.

Also quit bitching about the lack of a 5k thunderbolt display. Almost all of you don't have the horsepower to drive 5k with the GPU's in most shipping Apple products.

2012 MacBook Air's will not drive a 5k Display.
 
While impressive, the one thing I've taken away from this announcement is my excitement for next years iMac refresh. GPU's right now across the board are really struggling with 4k, so once they catch up I'll be excited for a new 5k iMac. I'm sure the one included in this machine is good enough, but to really shine 5k needs some major horsepower behind it.

Also quit bitching about the lack of a 5k thunderbolt display. Almost all of you don't have the horsepower to drive 5k with the GPU's in most shipping Apple products.

2012 MacBook Air's will not drive a 5k Display.

ahhh . there will ALWAYS be something better next year!
 
Umm, you're forgetting about OS X vs Windows, all-in-one aluminum enclosure, built in speakers and camera, bluetooth keyboard and trackpad, etc. Matching spec for spec does not tell the whole story. Your cheaper hexa-core computer will look something like this...yuck...

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Yup, some people buy a computer for the way it looks, and others buy one for what it can do. The iMac is a large laptop with a really nice display. I like the design, but I can't see spending this much on a computer with mobile hardware and an inability to upgrade certain components. But it sure is pretty.
 
Sweet display with crappy mobile graphics cards. I bet if you try to run anything intensive on that thing it is going to lag like crazy.

I hope they just make a separate display to put on a real machine.

I play Arma 3 in medium setting at 1920X1080 with an iMac mid 2011 / 256GB SSD as second hard drive. The video card is a radeon 6750 and kick ass with it. Sometimes is not the hardware but just the player that has no skills and is easier to blame the hardware.
 
Dell is charging a high premium for their display because it's new and 5k; realistically it only costs marginally more than 4k displays to make.

Really, I wasn't aware we had an insider who can tell us what unreleased parts cost. Marginally more than a 4k display. Right.
 
Apple uses that outdated Radeon gpu while PC gets the crazy fast GTX 980m... Wtf

you clearly haven't followed apple's graphics choices in the past. Apple is always behind specwise, and if that bothers you, Apple probably isn't your best choice.
 
Nice, I'll wait for the 2nd or the 3rd generation, or until I'd be able to afford one with the higher specs...
 
While impressive, the one thing I've taken away from this announcement is my excitement for next years iMac refresh. GPU's right now across the board are really struggling with 4k, so once they catch up I'll be excited for a new 5k iMac. I'm sure the one included in this machine is good enough, but to really shine 5k needs some major horsepower behind it.

Also quit bitching about the lack of a 5k thunderbolt display. Almost all of you don't have the horsepower to drive 5k with the GPU's in most shipping Apple products.

2012 MacBook Air's will not drive a 5k Display.
How many macs and how long have been able to drive 2 separate 2.5k screens? Many and a long time.
Can new Mini drive 4k? Not with decent refresh rate.
All 4k & 5k displays made next year will need displayport1.3. How many macs support this? NONE.

(Edit: Well, if you buy external graphics card enclosure with TB2 and card with dp1.3 output, it is possible. Also there might be a bottleneck with TB2...)
 
I really dont get it. Why would they release a 5k iMac when the Mac Pro doesn't have a proper display to work with. SO the best device to do photography, graphic design or video editing is the new iMac? what about the Mac Pro???

maybe making it work well over thunderbolt 2 isn't a reality yet, that's tons of bandwidth, and if you are interested in 4k+ monitors, you should know how much of an issue getting them connected and working right is. Easier to just build it in with the computer than make a stand alone, so I'm not surprised we're seeing this first.
 
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