The china made product even with a tariff is still the cheap product. Other premium products move up in price to reflect this. Spillover inflation.
So yep, others move up past 130 made in the US.
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This is amazing news! 🇺🇸 The more we can do and provide here at home, the better! Glad Apple and POTUS are working together. And so many jobs!
It’s weird to spin this is as bad news. So many angry people out there.
It’s weird to spin this is as bad news. So many angry people out there.
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Meanwhile Intel and Foxconn promised him much the same in 2017 and 8 years on? Nothing built.
These promises don't mean much if the can is kicked down the road.
It's LOOOOL funny that the Trump admin's plan is just tariffs and THAT'S IT. If they were serious about this plan they'd also be pouring BILLIONS of federal dollars into American manufacturing, creating education opportunities for domestic workers to get the knowledge they need to succeed, creating resource guides for consumers so they can buy American made products, etc.
buuuut nope. They just implement tariffs, US consumers pay more, nothing actually happens on US soil. I realize this article is about *something* happening on US soil, but this is the richest company in the history of humanity. They could have done this years ago.
I get your point, but this is still positive momentum and a step in a better direction. Life does make us cynical, but I’d rather be optimistic about the future rather than assume it’s just not gonna work.
There's nothing cynical about observing what has actually taken place with these moves in the past
What are you talking about? The US produces over a hundred thousand of engineers each year and there are several hundred thousand industrial engineers employed in the US.
DEI funds scholarships for underrepresented minorities so they can train to become engineers, doctors/nurses, scientists, etc. A large college may graduate 10 students in gender studies. Ethnic studies are just history, political science, and anthropology. Most students graduate with a business degree, nursing, or STEM.
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Yes, it is incredibly out of balance. Tarriffs will help restore parity.
Don’t wanna get off topic because the very biased moderators here (not all) love to remove comments, but you can be as angry as you want but approval ratings are off the charts and most people are saying yes this is what we voted for. The majority of American people simply do not care about “everyone” melting down online and on legacy news channels. It’s not reality. The average hardworking American is optimistic right now. To bring it back to topic, I think this is great news like I’ve said before. It doesn’t make sense to spin this off as a terrible thing. I’m happy Apple and the current administration are working together. Even if I hated the current admin, I would still want them to be successful in protecting our country, bringing more jobs home, and enriching our lives. It’s been a single month and good things are already happening, just like you see in the OP. No this isn’t going to make the world a better place alone, but this is one small positive thing. And I refuse to see it as negative.
Folks here in the USA are easily fooled. In the 1950s, many inexpensive items were tagged "Made in USA". No one noticed the lack of dots. USA was/is a town/city in Japan and that is where the inexpensive toys etc were made.
A similar ploy could be done in Vietnam or some other location and we would be dupped again.
The current political folks want to destroy all non-Fox media so the lie machine will not have the inconvenience of any truthful comments or pointing out fallacies.
It is already too late for the majority of Americans to read George Orwell's 1984 written in the 1960's (he was in Burma - now Myanmar - at the time) as most of his predictions are coming to life very fast now. Like the television set was watching how the lead character was doing his morning pushups and he was reprimanded for his style. Everything was double speak. There were three world entities in the book - today we see China and the Far East, Russia and Europe, and the USA probably isolated but mightt have South America. Virtually no education.
Sounding like our reality.
The oligarchs do not need local roads, local hospitals or local schools because they have helicopters to take them to the airport where their private jet will ferry them to the best hospitals in the world or educational opportunities for the morbidly rich.
Remember in the Middle Ages that those that lived outside the castle with its moat had no education and were illiterate. They were good as workers and a source of tax funds. They only survived at the mercy of the Castle's head figure.
I am glad to be at the end of my life at 80. My kids are in their 50s now and there may be no retirement "benefits" and my grandkids will be totally out of luck.
So where a computer or phone is made or by whom may become immaterial as no non-oligarch could afford them. It is close to that now with iPhones hugging the $2000 figure and most Apple new Apple computers (except the Mac mini) start at $1,100. Minimum wage of $7.50 an hour before taxes does not allow for luxury goods like electronics.
YMMV
A similar ploy could be done in Vietnam or some other location and we would be dupped again.
The current political folks want to destroy all non-Fox media so the lie machine will not have the inconvenience of any truthful comments or pointing out fallacies.
It is already too late for the majority of Americans to read George Orwell's 1984 written in the 1960's (he was in Burma - now Myanmar - at the time) as most of his predictions are coming to life very fast now. Like the television set was watching how the lead character was doing his morning pushups and he was reprimanded for his style. Everything was double speak. There were three world entities in the book - today we see China and the Far East, Russia and Europe, and the USA probably isolated but mightt have South America. Virtually no education.
Sounding like our reality.
The oligarchs do not need local roads, local hospitals or local schools because they have helicopters to take them to the airport where their private jet will ferry them to the best hospitals in the world or educational opportunities for the morbidly rich.
Remember in the Middle Ages that those that lived outside the castle with its moat had no education and were illiterate. They were good as workers and a source of tax funds. They only survived at the mercy of the Castle's head figure.
I am glad to be at the end of my life at 80. My kids are in their 50s now and there may be no retirement "benefits" and my grandkids will be totally out of luck.
So where a computer or phone is made or by whom may become immaterial as no non-oligarch could afford them. It is close to that now with iPhones hugging the $2000 figure and most Apple new Apple computers (except the Mac mini) start at $1,100. Minimum wage of $7.50 an hour before taxes does not allow for luxury goods like electronics.
YMMV
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Shaking people down via threats of tariffs is not "working together"
No, it's not "positive"
It's corruption and extortion
A 10% or even 25% tariff won't be enough.
You don't realize how cheap it is to build and ship from China. And how costly it is in the US for low margin, low priced products. It's never coming back. Trump has 3 years, all of 2028 is a campaign. Nothing will get done.
I don’t think anyone is opposed to the idea of bringing back jobs on shore but it’s exactly this. China has moved beyond being a nation with low labor costs to one that has highly integrated industrial cities that can outproduce for less than the US and Europe could at scale. China wants to become a post industrial society just like all the other major world powers have.
I hate that everything is made in China. We need to wake up and realise China is an enemy not a friend. The more companies who move their manufacturing out of China the better.
I agree but our economies are highly integrated. Manufacturing and capital will just flow to wherever the best bang for buck can be had. Capital flows freely, but not labor.
Which is why it'd be good to not alienate all of our first world allies, nor nuke our instruments of worldwide soft power
Wow, Apple really is bending the knee to help prop and legitimize this evil, illegal presidency. What Apple is doing is helping conservatives make themselves look good on the economy even though egg prices are soaring and people are struggling
They’re a long way from Apple’s golden age. They’ve become evil
They’re a long way from Apple’s golden age. They’ve become evil
What do you mean by sanity is back?
I can see it now.
*Apple announces this while Trump is in office*
"Here's why manufacturing Apple devices in the US is racist"-CNN
*Apple announces this while Trump is in office*
"Here's why manufacturing Apple devices in the US is racist"-CNN
Rememberer our WW II Battleships? We totally lack the capacity today to even build the 16" barrels of those three gun turrets on the those ships. How many other defense type heavy industries have been off shored?
I doubt the Chinese would make the weapons for us we would need to defend ourselves if they attached
I doubt the Chinese would make the weapons for us we would need to defend ourselves if they attached
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This is exactly the issue. Trumps voters are focused on what liberals are doing, instead of focusing on what Trump is doing, and thinking a little about what the results are.
This “parity” in pricing means that instead of CN goods at 30USD and US goods at 50USD, both will cost 50USD, shifting money from poor people to rich people. All the while, in Europe CN goods will cost 30USD and US goods will cost 70USD. Tariffs will lower US imports, but the downside is that it also lowers exports. So this “parity” will be at a lower total volume. Everyone except Trump and his blind followers understand this.
Fact doesn't seem to mean much either.
Intel since 2017 ( just in USA) ?
Fab 11X upgraded in 2020/2021 ( substantive amount of all the advanced mutiple tile packaging productions come out of )
Fab 42 2020
Fab 52 2024
List of Intel manufacturing sites - Wikipedia
Exapanded Fab D1X in 2022
" ...
At unveiling of $3 billion Oregon expansion, ..."
At unveiling of $3 billion Oregon expansion, Intel CEO calls for federal semiconductor action
Oregon’s governor and U.S. senators joined Intel’s CEO and other senior leaders in Hillsboro to mark the grand opening of a $3 billion expansion of the D1X factory where Intel develops its most advanced microprocessors.
www.opb.org
Intel pushed additional DUV fab processing compacity into some of the AZ fabs. May not have been money spent wisely , but it is was more money spent.
worldwide that list doubles.
Trump promised he was going to do a lot to keep open the GM Lordstown plant in OH. The only reason it isn't completely mothballed is that Foxconn bought it.
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2019
" ... The all-new Mac Pro was unveiled at Apple’s annual Worldwide Developer Conference in June. Mac Pro units are now in production in Austin and will soon ship to customers across the Americas. The 244,000-square-foot Mac Pro facility employs more than 500 people in a range of roles, including electrical engineers and electronics assemblers, who build each unique unit to customers’ specifications. ..."
2025 about the same size facility for "server computers". If very hardcore datacenter only servers then Apple probably isn't even going to sell them at retail. At best, get construction for the nodes that will be distributed worldwide. At worse, like the Mac Pro, this is a subset of Mac Pro/Studio production mainly that is an appeasement move.
But it will be a Trump photo op.
[ The Mac PRo 2023 phased out main production in USA.
www.macrumors.com
just assembled in USA. Unclear just how much this is just repackaging the USA assembly location for Mac Pro or this is an additional device.
But decent chance Trump will tour new location thinking/claiming he brought something new , but it is the side 'crumb' he made a big deal about the last time. Just a 'show', no long term substance. ]
" ... The all-new Mac Pro was unveiled at Apple’s annual Worldwide Developer Conference in June. Mac Pro units are now in production in Austin and will soon ship to customers across the Americas. The 244,000-square-foot Mac Pro facility employs more than 500 people in a range of roles, including electrical engineers and electronics assemblers, who build each unique unit to customers’ specifications. ..."
Apple expands in Austin
Apple today announced the start of construction on its new campus in Austin, Texas, as part of its broad expansion in the city.
www.apple.com
2025 about the same size facility for "server computers". If very hardcore datacenter only servers then Apple probably isn't even going to sell them at retail. At best, get construction for the nodes that will be distributed worldwide. At worse, like the Mac Pro, this is a subset of Mac Pro/Studio production mainly that is an appeasement move.
But it will be a Trump photo op.
[ The Mac PRo 2023 phased out main production in USA.
New Mac Pro Has 'Product of Thailand' Label, Final Assembly Still in USA
Apple's new Mac Pro has a "Product of Thailand" label, but final assembly of the desktop computer still takes place in the U.S.,...
www.macrumors.com
just assembled in USA. Unclear just how much this is just repackaging the USA assembly location for Mac Pro or this is an additional device.
But decent chance Trump will tour new location thinking/claiming he brought something new , but it is the side 'crumb' he made a big deal about the last time. Just a 'show', no long term substance. ]
