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So; just.don’t.buy.them.

What’s up with you people? If you think something is too expensive, nobody forces you to buy it. *Especially* before any reviews are out...! 🤦‍♂️

/IMHO
I agree, however it's still somewhat disappointing to not be able (financially speaking for myself) purchase apple headphones, when the rest of my tech 'eco system' is apple. I went with Sony XM4's, which I'm sure will be lovely, but will totally miss some of the apple features.
 
With respect to the pricing and whether or not it is unreasonable - is there even a single headphone offered by any other manufacturer that offers the technology built into these Apple AirPod Max headphones:

- others offer active noise cancellation but are any as sophisticated and presumably effective as these will / should be? (six outward facing and two inward facing microphones plus associated processing)
- speaker technology & frequency range (i.e. dual-neodymium ring magnet motor, etc)
- computational audio processing (H1 chip in each ear cup, spatial audio, dynamic head tracking, etc)
- compatibility with Apple device family, ease of use

I'm not a headphones expert, others here are clearly much more familiar with audiophile grade headphone equipment. Do any of those - equally if not more expensive - products offer any of these technologies?

This is what should justify the price, the technology and what it delivers in terms of audio quality, comfort, and ease of use with other Apple products.
 
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With respect to the pricing and whether or not it is unreasonable - is there even a single headphone offered by any other manufacturer that offers the technology built into these Apple AirPod Max headphones:

- others offer active noise cancellation but are any as sophisticated and presumably effective as these will / should be? (six outward facing and two inward facing microphones plus associated processing)
- speaker technology & frequency range (i.e. dual-neodymium ring magnet motor, etc)
- computational audio processing (H1 chip in each ear cup, spatial audio, dynamic head tracking, etc)
- compatibility with Apple device family, ease of use

I'm not a headphones expert, others here are clearly much more familiar with audiophile grade headphone equipment. Do any of those - equally if not more expensive - products offer any of these technologies?

This is what should justify the price, the technology and what it delivers in terms of audio quality, comfort, and ease of use with other Apple products.
I think you are framing the question wrong. It's not whether these technologies are offered elsewhere - it's whether they justify the price being asked. All of that technology needs to amount to a substantially better product that for example the Bose, Sony, Shure etc. If they don't advance the ball in a meaningful way it doesn't really matter. For example, the regular Air Pod pros offer many of these technologies and while they are a decent product most would agree they are not better than their competitors and in fact may be worse when price is factored in. Until we hear them, the list of fancy technology is just noise. If they implement this tech in a way that is innovative and creates an excellent set of headphones then maybe the price is justified. However, they are going to be limited to the driver technology and BT codec and we already know that there is nothing new or class leading in those categories.
 
I think you are framing the question wrong. It's not whether these technologies are offered elsewhere - it's whether they justify the price being asked. All of that technology needs to amount to a substantially better product that for example the Bose, Sony, Shure etc. If they don't advance the ball in a meaningful way it doesn't really matter. For example, the regular Air Pod pros offer many of these technologies and while they are a decent product most would agree they are not better than their competitors and in fact may be worse when price is factored in. Until we hear them, the list of fancy technology is just noise. If they implement this tech in a way that is innovative and creates an excellent set of headphones then maybe the price is justified. However, they are going to be limited to the driver technology and BT codec and we already know that there is nothing new or class leading in those categories.
That's a good point, if they had somehow announced these in combination with a new codec capable of much better audio, THAT would be something. For me, despite the combination of great features as some have mentioned, none of them say 'one more thing', and therefore that price is hard to swallow for technology that's not even matured yet.
 
That's a good point, if they had somehow announced these in combination with a new codec capable of much better audio, THAT would be something. For me, despite the combination of great features as some have mentioned, none of them say 'one more thing', and therefore that price is hard to swallow for technology that's not even matured yet.
BT audio has come a long way. Apple has decided that AAC is good enough for them. By all reasonable accounts AAC is good enough for most applications but if you are going to get into the high end audio game, and 550 suggests that's is Apples intention, then good enough doesn't cut it. At least not for me personally.
 
I agree, however it's still somewhat disappointing to not be able (financially speaking for myself) purchase apple headphones, when the rest of my tech 'eco system' is apple. I went with Sony XM4's, which I'm sure will be lovely, but will totally miss some of the apple features.

just wait until they come out with a car!
 
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He’s right, the Bose 700 are terrible sound wise. They work great for cancelling sound, phone calls, and non demanding music listening.
The usual objection that people that want great sound shouldn’t buy wireless is correct, but sometimes you want to hit a good compromise. If you’re used to 150-200 euro/dollar wired headphones and sound quality is your main criteria, the compromise sucks bad here.

The sites you cited here are general tech stuff sites, not headphone sites. They have no idea what good audio is and mostly praise convenient stuff.

edit: the Sony are better. Hell, even the old Bose qc35ii were a bit better.
Demonstrate and prove out that Bose sound terrible.
 
I think you are framing the question wrong. It's not whether these technologies are offered elsewhere - it's whether they justify the price being asked. All of that technology needs to amount to a substantially better product that for example the Bose, Sony, Shure etc. If they don't advance the ball in a meaningful way it doesn't really matter. For example, the regular Air Pod pros offer many of these technologies and while they are a decent product most would agree they are not better than their competitors and in fact may be worse when price is factored in. Until we hear them, the list of fancy technology is just noise. If they implement this tech in a way that is innovative and creates an excellent set of headphones then maybe the price is justified. However, they are going to be limited to the driver technology and BT codec and we already know that there is nothing new or class leading in those categories.
Seamless multi-device switching is the main selling point of any airpods. No other bluetooth earbuds/headphones can do this. I'm not saying that totally justifies the price of Max's but if you want a pair of comfortable over-ears with decent sound and effortless device switching then they're the only game in town. Apple knows this hence the price tag.

I don't agree with the price, but I still bought them. Because there's no other option (except Beats...bleh). And there won't be until bluetooth includes this functionality as standard, which is probably 5+ years from now.
 
Seamless multi-device switching is the main selling point of any airpods. No other bluetooth earbuds/headphones can do this. I'm not saying that totally justifies the price of Max's but if you want a pair of comfortable over-ears with decent sound and effortless device switching then they're the only game in town. Apple knows this hence the price tag.

I don't agree with the price, but I still bought them. Because there's no other option (except Beats...bleh). And there won't be until bluetooth includes this functionality as standard, which is probably 5+ years from now.
I mean it's a nice feature but the "main" feature seems like a stretch. It takes
me 2 seconds to pair my Bose QC earbuds to any device I want. BT can be fussy and the H1 is nice but at least to me it doesn't justify a 50 percent price premium. There's lots of excellent BT headphones out there. You should have an open mind even without H1 chip.
 
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No they’re not. When trying to buy/preorder, the add to cart button is grayed out. At least for me.

And I didn’t mean the mb01 were not available, I was referring to the AirPods Max.


BTW, me encantó tu nombre de usuario 😂
Well, I realize by the attached image, that when you attempted to add them to your cart it wasn’t available anymore, but yesterday after I read the MR posts, I got to find it available in the mexican site even in blue (which I assume will be one of the most picked colors). I didn’t order it because I’m more than fine with my Sennheisers and really don’t feel like need them.

BTW, thank you for your congrats regarding my user name. I really wanted to have a nickname that is able to communicate I’m Mexican (at least other Mexicans can guess), and really wondered when I realized iGüey was available.

Best regards and see you around!
 
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I mean it's a nice feature but the "main" feature seems like a stretch. It takes
me 2 seconds to pair my Bose QC earbuds to any device I want. BT can be fussy and the H1 is nice but at least to me it doesn't justify a 50 percent price premium. There's lots of excellent BT headphones out there. You should have an open mind even without H1 chip.
Pairing is not the issue, device switching without H1 is a nightmare.
 
Pairing is not the issue, device switching without H1 is a nightmare.
Again I wouldnt rule out an entire world of great products over H1 switching. My Bose can Switch in 2 seconds as well. I get it - the H1 pairing is a nice feature but I really think you're missing out on many alternatives that may perform better for less money. If you heard my Drop Panda BT planar headphones over LDAC you might forget about the H1. Unless sq is not a priority but if you are dropping 550 I think it probably is.
 
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The price of these headphones are a problem to the mass market, not audiophiles.

For the mass market, the pinnacle of headphone quality are the most expensive Bose/Sony headphones that the local Best Buy carries - approx $300.

So when Apple drops a $550 bomb into the market, it is natural for lots of negative reactions.

I expect these headphones will be a low volume seller like the Homepod - most will stick to Airpods pro or Beats for over the ear headphones.
 
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Again I wouldnt rule out an entire world of great products over H1 switching. My Bose can Switch in 2 seconds as well. I get it - the H1 pairing is a nice feature but I really think you're missing out on many alternatives that may perform better for less money. If you heard my Drop Panda BT planar headphones over LDAC you might forget about the H1. Unless sq is not a priority but if you are dropping 550 I think it probably is.
As far as I am aware Bose QC's require either manually disconnecting from the current device, or using the Bose app to switch to another device, awful. Way longer than "2 seconds", and doing this 10 times a day across 2 or 3 devices is a joke.

Nobody who understands what they're buying should ever consider bluetooth headphones if amazing sound quality is a top priority, because the quality gap between the best bluetooth and a decent wired set with high quality audio source is substantial.

You know LDAC is basically a marketing gimmick right? It's not supported on Mac, Windows, iOS, 99.999999999999% of consumer devices. Android phones support it but not even by default, you have to know to go through some hidden menu and enable developer mode or something first. There isn't even such thing as a bluetooth dongle with LDAC support, and probably never will be. Even if there was, who would want to add a dongle to all their devices just for slightly better bluetooth audio. LDAC is also not possible when using multi device connections. How is that a reason to drop H1 convenience?
 
As far as I am aware Bose QC's require either manually disconnecting from the current device, or using the Bose app to switch to another device, awful. Way longer than "2 seconds", and doing this 10 times a day across 2 or 3 devices is a joke.

Nobody who understands what they're buying should ever consider bluetooth headphones if amazing sound quality is a top priority, because the quality gap between the best bluetooth and a decent wired set with high quality audio source is substantial.

You know LDAC is basically a marketing gimmick right? It's not supported on Mac, Windows, iOS, 99.999999999999% of consumer devices. Android phones support it but not even by default, you have to know to go through some hidden menu and enable developer mode or something first. There isn't even such thing as a bluetooth dongle with LDAC support, and probably never will be. Even if there was, who would want to add a dongle to all their devices just for slightly better bluetooth audio. LDAC is also not possible when using multi device connections. How is that a reason to drop H1 convenience?
I cannot even begin to explain how much I disagree with this. Oye vey. Yes there is a gap between wired and bluetooth but to suggest bluetooth and high end audio are not compatible is just false. There are numerous high end audiophile devices that offer bluetooth And your baseless assertions about LDAC are also false. LDAC is in every Android device on the planet. Apple won't license it because they are stubborn and arrogant. Ask Audeze of they think LDAC is a gimmick. I'll bet you a new pair of Air Pod Max's they say it is not.
 
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...And your baseless assertions about LDAC are also false. LDAC is in every Android device on the planet. Apple won't license it because they are stubborn and arrogant. Ask Audeze of they think LDAC is a gimmick. I'll bet you a new pair of Air Pod Max's they say it is not.
I'm not denying the technical capability of LDAC, I'm pointing out that near non-existent industry support means almost nobody will ever use it, and that makes it a gimmick. Android 8.0 or later is required for LDAC, and only if the device manufacturer chooses to support it. So no, not "every android device on the planet". Not even remotely close. Also it's only better than other codecs when using the higher bandwidth, which reduces range and connection quality, and interferes with wifi. Suggesting Apple is stubborn/arrogant for not supporting LDAC is loopy.
 
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Have to say, I am disappointed. I was expecting in combination with the APMs the introduction of Apple Lossless in Music/iTunes Store for purchases and lossless transmission for the Headphones or at least something more compelling than the present old 256K AAC codac.

With that I could have justified a 550 USD purchase.
 
I'm not denying the technical capability of LDAC, I'm pointing out that near non-existent industry support means almost nobody will ever use it, and that makes it a gimmick. Android 8.0 or later is required for LDAC, and only if the device manufacturer chooses to support it. So no, not "every android device on the planet". Not even remotely close. Also it's only better than other codecs when using the higher bandwidth, which reduces range and connection quality, and interferes with wifi. Suggesting Apple is stubborn/arrogant for not supporting LDAC is loopy.
You said it was a marketing gimmick bit ok. LDAC is a staple of audiophile products. It is not a staple of consumer oriented audio. There are numerous audiophile devices that support LDAC. It's becoming very common. I could find dozens of examples. It's particularly common for portable audiophile gear. Check out the Fiio BTR5 sometime. Awesome device.
 
Have to say, I am disappointed. I was expecting in combination with the APMs the introduction of Apple Lossless in Music/iTunes Store for purchases and lossless transmission for the Headphones or at least something more compelling than the present old 256K AAC codac.

With that I could have justified a 550 USD purchase.
Exactly my point. But the Apple apologists are roasting me because I have the audacity to suggest that AAC isn't good enough or that H1 isn't a very good reason to select which headphones to purchase.
 
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You said it was a marketing gimmick bit ok. LDAC is a staple of audiophile products. It is not a staple of consumer oriented audio. There are literally tons of audiophile devices that support LDAC. It's becoming very common. I could find dozens of examples. It's particularly common for portable audiophile gear. Check out the Fiio BTR5 sometime. Awesome device.
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