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Is iTunes up to it?

If the target audience is people who download video from iTMS exclusively, I can understand the use of iTunes but I can't help but feel they will need some of the early adopters with this one who have ripped their DVD collection to avi / mp4 etc.

Thing is, it seems that iTunes manages the streaming process but there is a big difference between storing 40Gb of music collection and movies which are generally at least 700Mb each (or larger if you are ripping your own).

From my own experience, I have found iTunes finds it hard enough to cope with a library on an external drive but I can't see it coping with Movies on an external device and music elsewhere, especially if iTunes is set to manage your collection.

With more and more media stored on external drives, either cabled or networked, I would like to hear from Apple (or posters..) about iTunes ability to smoothly manage a diverse number of media sources.

If I am going to buy something like this (and at that price), I want to know that it will work with the system I have now, and not require me to shuffle hundred of gigabytes of data into some specific flexibility. Last thing I want is hassle.
 
Read it again. http://www.apple.com/appletv/sync.html

Interesting to note that is only claims to support 720p/24, which would rule out any HD TV which I'd expect to be 720p/30.

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I thought 720p was 60fps.

Plus, my initial test with a 1080i TV show exported using eyeTV with instructions to output as 24fps per the AppleTV specs did NOT handle the framerate pulldown correctly. Very jerky at times (not caused by decoding--played on a MacPro fully showing 24fps) So again, what is the point--pay for a TV show that is 640x480 on iTMS to show on my 720p LCD rear projector?

--HG
 
:( Thumbs down for me. I would have had 3 of these if it could do what Slingbox can do. But no way in hell am I going to be micro-transactioned to death on iTunes and pay for every single TV episode or movie I want to watch.
 
limited H.264 playback!

I'm ok with the fact it is not a PVR--I have a TV MiniHD for that.

My problem is that the specs do not indicate that the AppleTV could playback H.264 except for certain (non-TV) specs. (edit: ie film which IS 24fps)

As I mentioned above, Apple states 720p playback is supported at 24fps. Broadcast HD is either 29.97 (1080i) or 60 fps (720p). I am now recording HD and outputting as 720p 5800Kb/s (+audio) with 29.97fps. This produces fantastic quality HD at 1/2 orignal MPEG2 size. Frame rate conversions are simple and clean.

For the AppleTV this won't work, so I too may be waiting for a Mini with Core Duo 2.

--HG
 
ok, do some math and get back to me. # of ipods sold of each generation*# number of gigs of storage on said device. sum for each generation. subtract Storage requirement of average song on itunes*total # of itunes downloads. calculate average # of cds owned per person (there is a figure out there I promise). Figure the space required to convert this number of cds to mp3 and multiply by number of ipods sold. Include some sort of discount rate to cover for people "rebuying" ipods. Assume 75% of capacity used in all ipods all generations. That will give you a rough estimate of the amount of amount of "illeagal" music on ipods worldwide, and I would wager a huge chunk of change that it's enormous.

Sure, but iTunes has sold two billion songs. I think that speaks for it's self.

Content is the key.
 
Most of the same complaints seem to be about price...

But what alternatives are available that have the same features for cheaper? Specifically HD and high speed wireless?
 
What is it with you people? When SJ pre-announced iTV last year, and mentioned the price, you people thought that it was an interesting product. Now that they told more about it and also told that it comes with a HD, it's suddenly "too expensive"? So, it wasn't too expensive when they pre-announced it without HD and at same price, but now it suddenly is?

I'm very interested in getting one. I need something simple and elegant for media-playback. I could just rip my DVD's to the computer, and stream them to AppleTV.

It was presented as an iPod that isn't portable. Nothing exciting at all, for a lot of dough. When we first got wind of it, it was $300 of untapped excitement and possibilities. Sadly, the RDF died and now we complain.
 
What is it with you people? When SJ pre-announced iTV last year, and mentioned the price, you people thought that it was an interesting product. Now that they told more about it and also told that it comes with a HD, it's suddenly "too expensive"? So, it wasn't too expensive when they pre-announced it without HD and at same price, but now it suddenly is?

I'm very interested in getting one. I need something simple and elegant for media-playback. I could just rip my DVD's to the computer, and stream them to AppleTV.

Without surround sound that is...
 
Yes, plus a huge drive connected to the USB port of the new AirPort Extreme!

You can use all your drive space, it doesn't have to sit inside the Apple TV.

Anyone know whether it is really just plug and play with a hard drive and an Airport? I'd love to do this.

Edit: Just checked, and according to the Apple website it is just that: plug and play.

Nice :)
 
I'm ok with the fact it is not a PVR--I have a TV MiniHD for that.

My problem is that the specs do not indicate that the AppleTV could playback H.264 except for certain (non-TV) specs. (edit: ie film which IS 24fps)

As I mentioned above, Apple states 720p playback is supported at 24fps. Broadcast HD is either 29.97 (1080i) or 60 fps (720p). I am now recording HD and outputting as 720p 5800Kb/s (+audio) with 29.97fps. This produces fantastic quality HD at 1/2 orignal MPEG2 size. Frame rate conversions are simple and clean.

For the AppleTV this won't work, so I too may be waiting for a Mini with Core Duo 2.

--HG

This is what i thought but my .h264 movies that are outside the aTV spec play in itunes and frontrow so i am assuming they will work on aTV
 
I think it'd be worth $300 no problem, if it had a larger hard drive, but at this price point it's worth around $200... it's just not useful enough. My music alone takes up over 30 gigs, and this thing would be full within a year.

You're missing the point of it then... The 40GB drive is actually overkill for the aTV. It is intended for streaming the media from other sources like your computer or NAS. The price doesn't seem out of line to me... What else is on the market that does what it does, plus it connects directly to ITMS. The Apple TV is the missing link a lot of us (even AV integrators/installers like me) have been waiting for. The only real thing missing is a larger movie library on ITMS and subscription programs in addition to the current individual purchase model.
 
Even so, I'd have a hard time buying one now because they didn't take my advice and put in a simple S-video port. It has analog audio out, why not analog video out? I know Apple likes to push interface standards forward, but come on. How hard would it have been, Steve? :rolleyes:

It has analogue video out. See the tech specs: composite video. That's how I connect my MacBook to my TV.
 
You're missing the point of it then... The 40GB drive is actually overkill for the aTV. It is intended for streaming the media from other sources like your computer or NAS. The price doesn't seem out of line to me... What else is on the market that does what it does, plus it connects directly to ITMS. The Apple TV is the missing link a lot of us (even AV integrators/installers like me) have been waiting for. The only real thing missing is a larger movie library on ITMS and subscription programs in addition to the current individual purchase model.

Yeah, imagine a rental option like Netflix, with an automatic deletion date for the files... that'd be nice.

I guess the only things I am really missing here is surround sound and 1080p support for pictures, etc. and what the future might bring.
 
Just to chime in, I was hoping for something like Media Center, as well, with the Apple UI. I don't want to pay for a TiVo-like service when I know Apple can offer something just as good that can be so integrated with everything else.

Oh, well...maybe next time. Until then I'll just watch my TV on DVD and not watch things as they air.
 
I guess I'm in a minority who is happy with Apple TV, I just pre-ordered one. I'm not looking to watch stream dvds from my Mac, thats what I have a dvd player.

I'm looking to do the following:
1. Play my protected (as well as unprotected) iTunes files through my home entertainment system
2. Be able to watch videocasts (aka) iptv on my tv instead of my computer
3. Have non-techie people able to access the content
4. Watch movie trailers (extra side-bonus)

Adding a dvd player or digital recorder is just too competitive. Most companies that provision your tv service now also provide dvr's. Ask Tivo how they're doing, not so great.

Only supporting 720p is ok with me too, the content on iTunes doesn't support HD yet anways (other than the trailers). To suppport 1080i is probably just a firmware upgrade anyways.

Is it pricer than I would like? yes. But its the only device to play protected iTunes content with such ease of use.

I feel what Apple has delivered will appeal to the masses. It may not be what the videophiles want, but its good enough in my opinion.
 
I'm a bit underwhelmed tbh, but then I have an Xbox 360 sitting beside my TV and a PVR underneath it. I'm kind of struggling to find a reason to buy an Apple TV box when my current setup can do much more.

Maybe I'm missing the point?


Mike.
 
Not for me

The Apple TV is essentially a SlingCatcher with unnecessary restrictions at twice the price. Typical Apple. I can't imagine who they're marketing this to because the enthusiasts are pointing out all the deficiencies and the average consumer wants a PVR that can play back their BitTorrent files.

I really don't understand the move to a la carte distribution of television content. Although paying only for the shows I want makes a lot of sense, how will I know what I want until I see it? Relying on previews is a sure way to get sucked into stuff you don't like while missing shows that might actually be interesting.

I've had dozens of shows recommended to me and been told to stay away from dozens of others. Predictably the ones I wound up liking are a subset of the recommended ones, a bunch I discovered by channel surfing and one of the ones I was told to avoid.

A another perfect example of this is my 2.5 year old daughter. My wife and I flipped through hours of children's programming to find shows we thought were interesting and age appropriate. Not surprisingly my daughter dislikes almost everything we chose while singing and dancing to shows that drive us out of the room.

So if we didn't have cable and instead relied on an iTunes style service to download shows, we'd miss all the hockey games, pay for a whole pile of crap and miss shows we actually enjoy. If that's the future, don't bother signing me up.
 
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