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hot-gril

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You give them too much credit. The mainstream media is so good at fear-mongering that most people will be willing to give up essential rights and "think" they are doing something good.
I've heard this too many times to believe it's not also mainstream media talking, EDIT: or at least a very mainstream Twitter influencer.
 

Veinticinco

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Christ, I’ll be glad when not every slightly politicised discussion turns into an unrelated pandemic borefest as illustrated by the last couple of pages :rolleyes:

Attenborough is a living legend and deservedly so. Natural historian, educator, broadcaster. I mean, he broke Instagram last year (a far better reflection on human society than the Friends actress he usurped) If anyone have an issue with his “eco preaching” (as one obnoxious colleague called it not so long ago) then you’re part of the problem.

Personally I’ve no interest in this particular COVID theme, but it‘ll be a quality production guaranteed.
 

djlythium

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Yeah, that's exactly what they tried to say in the 1950's :rolleyes:

Legit concern, thanks for sharing!

My PoV:
[Reason 1]
[Reason 2]
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[Reason n]

At the end of the day, everyone is weighing risks. Best of luck with your decision. ??
 

Codpeace

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Perhaps, but just wait until actual socialist policies from a democratic controlled government begin being forced on Americans that don't buy into that nonsense.

You'd be surprised how actual things like the upheaval of someone's rights and morality will make a real difference in people's attitudes and lives.
Hmm. Assuming you're speaking of USA Republican vs. Democratic politics (and that assumption might be incorrect, if so, then we have a different discussion on our hands), I think you'd find that Republicans have a significantly worse record of infringing liberty than that of Democrats. Certainly that's true in the 21st Century. See, generally, https://www.aclu.org/other/top-ten-abuses-power-911. And Democrats have sought generally to expand individual liberties at the state level (e.g. same-sex marriage, freedom of reproductive choice, and fierce opposition to Republican efforts to restrict access to voting).

That's not to say that Democrats are perfect, as they're not (see, generally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiterrorism_and_Effective_Death_Penalty_Act_of_1996 which was supported by both parties and signed into law by Bill Clinton). But it is not productive to ignore reality and state that Democrats are pro-socialism (how is that inherently bad, by the way?) and Republicans are pro-liberty -- because neither statement is factually accurate. It is jingoism and it's false and, as such, unhelpful if we'd like to work together and productively to build a better society.

(Sorry for the mostly off-topic comment, everyone... But I just couldn't let it go by unchallenged. The penguins are way more fun!)
 
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laz232

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You're asking that the documentary include some "actual" science from one side of your mouth and then rejecting boatloads of science by calling the vaccinations "experimental drugs" out of the other. The weird positions some people are able to juggle simultaneously...

Whilst we are in documentary mode and therefore hopefully providing correct information:The CDC does not in fact have an approved vaccine for Covid. They have granted emergency use authorisation to a number of vaccines (Based on the preponderance of the evidence of efficacy versus risk). Specifically the use of novel immunogenic methodologies such as mRNA, is in scientific terms an "experimental drug"

Now, as regard to the original article:
"During this most difficult year, many people have reappraised the value and beauty of the natural world and taken great comfort from it"

Although maybe not enjoyed by my brothers that are not allowed to be more than 3 km from their house due to lockdown restrictions (Even when all the pub med articles show that being outside is much safer with regard to Covid spread)
 
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Unity451

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Hmm. Assuming you're speaking of USA Republican vs. Democratic politics (and that assumption might be incorrect, if so, then we have a different discussion on our hands), I think you'd find that Republicans have a significantly worse record of infringing liberty than that of Democrats. Certainly that's true in the 21st Century. See, generally, https://www.aclu.org/other/top-ten-abuses-power-911. And Democrats have sought generally to expand individual liberties at the state level (e.g. same-sex marriage, freedom of reproductive choice, and fierce opposition to Republican efforts to restrict access to voting).

That's not to say that Democrats are perfect, as they're not (see, generally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiterrorism_and_Effective_Death_Penalty_Act_of_1996 which was supported by both parties and signed into law by Bill Clinton). But it is not productive to ignore reality and state that Democrats are pro-socialism (how is that inherently bad, by the way?) and Republicans are pro-liberty -- because neither statement is factually accurate. It is jingoism and it's false and, as such, unhelpful if we'd like to work together and productively to build a better society.
Well I certainly don't think either political party is perfect nor has every policy 100% right. That said...

The ACLU is a left wing activist organization so forgive me for not viewing their top 10 list with even a shred of credibility. I think you would feel the same way if I posted a top 10 abuses of power against democrats from the ACLJ.

In regards to Democrats expanding individual liberties... Yes, they seek to expand many individual philisophical liberties which is in conflict to republicans from a policy standpoint. Ok... fine. But their tactics for accomplishing it with people they agree with is textbook bullying. I'm not cool with that. I disagree with lots of people about things, but I don't treat them with disrespect because I don't agree with their opinion. I also don't think it's too much to ask to be treated the same way.
 

hot-gril

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The ACLU is a left wing activist organization so forgive me for not viewing their top 10 list with even a shred of credibility. I think you would feel the same way if I posted a top 10 abuses of power against democrats from the ACLJ.
Yeah, the ACLU pretty blatantly stays within party lines. For instance their NorCal voting guide:
Not a toe out of line with the Dems there, not even on prop 16. In some cases, they disagree with the majority of Dems, particularly https://www.aclu.org/hearing-statement/aclu-hearing-statement-domestic-terrorism-legislation, but even there they make it a race thing.
 
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travelsheep

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Enough with the corporate brainwash. Watch Netflix SEASPIRACY instead. Absolutely nothing is recovering or coming back, we are in the midst of the Holocene Extinction, overfishing and mass animal farming is at full blast, and growing. Most species (including us humans) are scheduled to be extinct by 2048. That's in 27 years.
 
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