Why?I'd need to feel the material. Regardless, removing leather from the product line is a positive step.
Why?I'd need to feel the material. Regardless, removing leather from the product line is a positive step.
I meant I'd need to feel the material before I could determine if I prefer it to one of the other band options.Why?
So your argument is that things that naturally happen (cats killing birds) and things that absolutely will not go away because of their use (cars killing birds) is the same as a ****** technology that works a small percentage of the time and is a very poor alternative to others? Not to mention, I don't think there are too many cats or cars that are killing eagles and the like.People love to tout the number of birds that die each year to those wind turbines, but never anything more than that. We kill about 360x the number of birds with our cars and trucks every year. If the entire country relied ONLY on wind turbines, we'd still kill 1/180th of the birds our highways kill. And guess what? Cats kill even more than that!
As far as clearing land, that's about the dumbest talking point I've ever heard. Everything we build does that, and we cover this country in asphalt.
Nuclear is definitely the best option right now...but let's not pretend that recycling parts of fossil fuel power plants is any better or easier than solar or wind. Wind is going to be pretty easy, really, the fiberglass stuff is easily reused.
Opinions on the meat industry aside, the process of making a cowhide into usable leather has an impact on the planet. At scale that impact is obviously larger and Apple is going to decrease their part in that...
If you've kept up with the leather industry over the past 100 years, you'd find that the "natural" way of making leather is long gone. Leather is now made with over 100 toxic chemicals and takes decades to decompose. The tanning industry itself is harmful to the environment.
As far as where it comes from, the hide is worth more than all of the meat. So if there's any one item of a cow that would impact less of them being slaughtered, this would be it. There's nothing to buy into here, it's just a common sense move that is forward looking. I don't like Apple more or less for doing it, but I expect it to start happening in far more places after this.
I’m sure the petroleum industry is fine with this move because I can promise this product has petroleum in it.Funny, I'm getting tired of the oil industry propaganda talking points like "greenwashing".
You quoted me saying it has an impact and at the scale of Apple the impact is larger. Are you disagreeing with that or agreeing? I don't understand from your post?If the meat vs hide economics are true, then why are only 30% of the hides of slaughtered cows used, with an only a few percent making it into retail leather goods?
Leather processing effect is minimal and is magnified by animal rights organizations because they know that leather production only uses a sliver of harvested animal hides, so they deflect to water and chemical use. Can you think of anything else that might apply to? Growing and distribution plant based foods harms the environment, but few will allow themselves to admit that. Apple also loves to talk about recycling as if aluminum and titanium processing don’t use toxic chemicals anywhere in the production and delivery process. Battery production, especially non replaceable batteries that encourage upgrades aren’t an issue? Building the Apple Campus in the middle of a commuting nightmare?
I respect people’s emotions on such matters, and direct my comments on the hypocrisy and deflection from Apple.. If it makes you feel better, then I’m glad, but it won’t save a single cow.
It does but 70% or more of it does not....so it appears to be helping to move away from net new petroleum productsI’m sure the petroleum industry is fine with this move because I can promise this product has petroleum in it.
Plenty. Don’t put the rest of humanity with you.The goal is really to RAISE less cows. Who cares if they die?
Nope, my argument is that there are plenty of birds to go around and ANYTHING we build will kill them. We aren't running out of land and wind turbines work in the water too. I don't think we should subsidize them but it's the market that should decide whether they are worth it or not. Europe has enough of them that they seem to think they are useful.So your argument is that things that naturally happen (cats killing birds) and things that absolutely will not go away because of their use (cars killing birds) is the same as a ****** technology that works a small percentage of the time and is a very poor alternative to others? Not to mention, I don't think there are too many cats or cars that are killing eagles and the like.
And yes, clearing a ton of land for a very low yielding power output compared to the amount of power you could get out of fossil, coal, or nuclear using that same amount of land. And then these solar farms are often put where people think it's safe because it's land that people don't want to live, like the drive to Vegas from SoCal. And then they end up killing most of the wildlife there that they thought they could try to transplant. Many desert tortoises were killed.
I never said anything about recycling fossil fuel power plants. I don't have a problem with them. The point is that people think that solar and wind are "carbon neutral", which is absolute BS. And whether something is recyclable or not, it's a question of whether it's being done. Which it, for the most part, is not.
In no way are cows beneficial for the environment. It's silly to think that stopping the use of most leather is a net positive, but fine leather is a different story. The leather byproduct of cattle slaughter isn't used in the luxury products.
Who knew hame came from cows!?!When steak and hamburgers stop being so damn good.
The description doesn't appear to imply that it will be particularly durable.Looks ok. Have to see whether they are durable
I'm going to assume this is an attempt at a joke rather than you actually thinking hamburgers are make from ham/pork.Who knew hame came from cows!?!
You learn something new each day I guess.
No, it's not.That's a poor reason for perpetuating a destructive industry.
Not from the research I’ve done, but the sources I referenced could be incorrect. 🤷♂️Incorrect. The finest leathers in the world like Badalassi Carlo of Italy or Tochigi of Japan are still byproducts of meat slaughter.
That’s some solid logic you’re wielding. 😒 Just because you enjoy something, that doesn’t legitimize it’s use or consumption.No, it's not.
Logic? Millions of people like cows. Dairy, meat, cheese, ice cream, collagen, clothes... the list goes on. Maybe you hate ice cream?That’s some solid logic you’re wielding. 😒 Just because you enjoy something, that doesn’t legitimize it’s use or consumption.
Correction: Billions.Logic? Millions of people like cows. Dairy, meat, cheese, ice cream, collagen, clothes... the list goes on. Maybe you hate ice cream?