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Everyone seems to forget that Android and Apple are on different developmental schedules. one leaps ahead then the other. Many of these features are natural evolutions that I'm sure both companies have thought of but implemented at different times. SIRI came first then came ok google. Wasn't it Konfabulator who 1st came up with widgets (then acquired by Yahoo). it certainly wasn't google!
 
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i dont get why apple won't use widgets on screen. Doesn't putting them all in notification center push down actual notifications? Oh well, at least one of my major complaints was fixed this year (3rd party keyboards).

Fix widgets and there is little reason to keep using android IMO.

This!

Why hide the widgets in notification center? It doesn't make sense. :confused:
 
I never understood the appeal of widgets on the home screen - most are so large you can only fit 1 or 2. You end up with a mess of widgets and apps - scrolling back and forth to find what your looking for. i think having 1 area with all your widgets is a better approach. what i'd like is the ability to put the widgets on the lock screen - then you truly have quick glance-able access to information.
 
what's the status of "thernonuclear war on android"?

widgets were useless/sucked until NOW.
third party keyboards sucked until NOW.
so on and so forth.

*chuckles*
 
iOS sucks and will continue to suck

I love my macbook pro with retina display but looking at the lacklustre ios8 features, i must say my iPad air will always be an expensive piece of **** with no focus on productivity. get locked in the apple ecosystem and forget to use apple stuff at the company. very good apple
 
I love my macbook pro with retina display but looking at the lacklustre ios8 features, i must say my iPad air will always be an expensive piece of **** with no focus on productivity. get locked in the apple ecosystem and forget to use apple stuff at the company. very good apple

Does that make you feel better?!
 
Instead of widgets, how about you just tap & hold an app's icon so it expands a bit
then shows whatever it is you'd see in a "widget display"?


How is that any quicker or easier than just tapping the icon and opening the app? Widgets are there to provide "glanceability" and to let you check things quickly without having to open a bunch of apps or clicking away on the screen.
 
Disappointed there's no real multitasking/split screen with iOS 8...maybe they'll sneak that in with an incremental update.

Yosemite looks neat though. Will download the public beta...

There was a rumor that some features have been delayed until iOS 8.1. I can see split screen multitasking being one of the things they unveil with the new iPads in October.
 
Okay you obviously don't know what handoff does, so let's review--

Handoff brings proximity awareness to your Apple devices. As an example, let's say you're writing an email on your iPhone and you venture to your Mac. Your computer will notice what you're doing and prompt you, giving you the option to finish writing the email on the Mac.

Mail would automatically open up on the Mac with the email presented to your face so you could continue working on it.

Can you do this seamlessly with Android, without going through a bunch of extra steps?

I can do it completely cross-platform, and have done so for a decade or so. It's called the "Drafts" folder on your email client.

I just can't understand why I would be writing an email on my phone if I was close to my computer to begin with? I can sort of see the benefits the other way around, if I suddenly have to leave somewhere while writing an email, but like said, the "Drafts" folder has had me covered for years already, completely irrelevant of which devices I am using.

Still, it's better than not having it, I suppose. I'm sure there will be some use cases that I can't think of now that will be really nice to have.

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Why would you wanna glance at a weather widget or a game score widget every time you unlock your phone?

Then don't put them on your home screen?

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Then what's the icon for the camera supposed to be?

A random flower. Duh.
 
WOW! Unbelievable amounts of stupid here.

1.) Apple has never been afraid to tout the fact that they control the hardware and software. Deal with it.

2.) How would they know your children have left? Quit being cheap and just buy the content, Apple giving you 6 family members to share content with is more than generous... Don't buy anymore devices from Apple, trust me Apple will be OK.

3.) See point 1.

4.) Actually reserving judgment... Ballsy.

That bit about "de-feminize[ing] their OS" is rather misogynistic, and that very last bit is rather self-centered. Newsflash, world doesn't revolve around you.

Hmm. Stupid is as stupid does. Clearly, you didn't understand the points I was making, and resorted to insults. Ah, the safety of the Internet, where punks can get away with not getting beaten down for their actions!

1) I've been using Apple products exclusively for 15 years. I was aware of the fact you mention. My point was, that not playing well with other ecosystems (or fragmented ones) is one of the reasons I left (iPhone, not the Mac) and keeping me from returning.

2) Haha, typical fanboy response. I simply gave a reason why Family Sharing is not enough for me. I was not discounting it's merit. And no one who uses any Apple product can be considered "cheap" in my opinion. I could care less about what's "good for Apple". I'm not them. Put the pom-poms down.

3) Again, a reason why iCloud drive is not enough to bring me back. I never said the features are not welcome (they are).

4) Yes. A wait and see approach for Swift seems reasonable to me. Apple is taking a chance, and I hope it pays off. But we still have to wait and see if it does.

Regarding the "misogynist" comment, I don't think you know what the word means. To me, iOS's new look is a bit (traditionally) feminine, given its color palette. It's previous incarnation was significantly more neutral. This has nothing to do with the superiority or inferiority of one gender over another. You made that implication, not I.

And when it comes to businesses, the world does revolve around me. I am the customer, and they are targeting customers. I will buy products that suit me, not the world. Call it self-centered if you want to, but this is not charity, this is business.

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What is the IR receiver used for???

I'm seriously asking, not trying to be a jerk, I guess I'm just out of date regarding latest things on smartphones... I remember having an IR receiver in my Nokia phone in 2001, used it once to play multiplayer snake or something with a friend and that's about it. But what is it good for today that you list it as such a big advantage?

I like to use my phone as a universal remote. I have several home theaters and can control all the devices with it, including my Macs. Remotes get lost in the couch cushions, etc, but I'll never lose my phone. ;)

I didn't imply it was a big advantage (you did that on your own), but merely one of the (many) features I enjoy and will miss should I switch back to iPhone.

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I never understood the appeal of widgets on the home screen - most are so large you can only fit 1 or 2. You end up with a mess of widgets and apps - scrolling back and forth to find what your looking for. i think having 1 area with all your widgets is a better approach. what i'd like is the ability to put the widgets on the lock screen - then you truly have quick glance-able access to information.

I agree.

On my S4, I have one home screen page dedicated solely to widgets. I have all the info/actions I want right away, no fuss. It's all in how you organize things, and it keeps with the "one area" paradigm you mention.

The difference is, on Android I get to determine where that "one place" is.

Still, it's a welcome addition to iPhone (although not enough to bring me back... yet).
 
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Will Family Sharing work for Apple IDs from different regions?
Aren't regions defined by the billing address of your credit card? If you share a credit card to be in the Family Sharing plan then be definition you'd be in the same region.
 
They're so enamoured with their Android devices they need to come onto 'Apple Forums' and spend their time justifying just how good their Android devices are.

I'm happy with my Apple devices and have never felt the urge or need to visit an Android forum to discuss how good my iPhone is or to try and justify why my device is so much better than theirs....bizarre little people.

There is only one reason people do that and that is because they need to defend their purchase, as far as I'm concerned there is no other reason.

There are many people who own both devices so they are probably just pointing out things they like and vice versa. I Don't see anything wrong with criticism goes both ways.
 
Instead of third party keyboards they should have just tweaked their own. Number keys across the top, a true delete key, and a few other little things would have taken care of it.

Oh well.
 
I never understood the appeal of widgets on the home screen - most are so large you can only fit 1 or 2. You end up with a mess of widgets and apps - scrolling back and forth to find what your looking for. i think having 1 area with all your widgets is a better approach. what i'd like is the ability to put the widgets on the lock screen - then you truly have quick glance-able access to information.

Maybe on a 5s, but on my android phone I can fit lots of widgets and resize them. Here is one of my home screens, I can see my Gvoice messages, calendar and OneNote notes, still have access to Google search and have a shortcut to directly dial my wife even. This is with the stock UI, you can even use Nova Launcher to make elements smaller and fit MORE on screen. Keep in mind that these widgets I can scroll up and down to see more information. I'm not a hardcore Android guy, I even dislike it in many respects and prefer iOS in some. But IMO widgets trounces anything iOS has for quick accessibility.
 

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Family goes down the road of life and Daughter has her own iTunes account now, shared with Mom & Dad. She's going off to college and getting cut-off from the iTunes gravy train. Q3: Does she have only the purchases made from her account (paid for by Dad)? or is she back to square one with no purchase history?
Back to square one with no purchase history.

Not exactly so if the information in BillyBobBongo's post (https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19176445/) is true:

If Family Sharing is ever disabled, each member will keep the items they chose to purchase—even if they were paid for by the family organizer.

So to me it looks like she'll lose access to content shared by others in the family, but she'll get to keep her purchases even though they were paid with dad's credit card.
 
IOS8 rollout at WWDC - What device was it shown on?

OK, at the risk of being flamed for missing something obvious, why is no article or post pointing out that all the images of IOS8 at WWDC were displayed on a device that is clearly not a current iPhone. What was it?
 
OK, at the risk of being flamed for missing something obvious, why is no article or post pointing out that all the images of IOS8 at WWDC were displayed on a device that is clearly not a current iPhone. What was it?

They used an iPhone 5s and an iPad Air.
 
It's actually good to see Apple come out with features that have existed in Android devices for a while. Regardless of who copied who, this is a good thing. And for those entrenched in their ecosystem, the features are surely welcome.

That said, I see nothing that'll bring me back to iOS:

1) Apple still refuses to play well with others; I cannot reach iCloud through my Android phone (!!!) using a standard web browser. However, the reverse is true. I hate that they're trying to force me to have an iPhone to have basic integration.

2) Family Sharing is not enough; I need independent accounts that can share content like Home Sharing does in iTunes on the Mac. There is just no reason why this doesn't work the same way in iOS. I prefer a centralized setup for purchases (I'm the head of household); if the wife/kids choose to leave, then they have to start from scratch (as well they should--they didn't pay for anything, I did). The "personal device" rationale is BS, period. Again, a way to force you to buy more devices.

3) iCloud drive; Again, can I use my Android tablet or phone to access it? Probably not. I find this an artificial (and annoying) barrier that Google chooses to not impose.

4) Swift; Ballsy move, but a proprietary coding language may backfire, given Android's market-share. Developers are split on this right now, so it beckons me to wait and see where it goes.

The features my phone has (bigger screen, IR receiver, customization options, etc.)coupled with what Apple has introduced here trump everything else, at least for me. I love Apple's more polished experience, but I can wait until they de-feminize their OS a bit and implement the features I want.

I think I can speak for all of us here who were hoping you would be more upset so we could find out what happens when Apple gets to strike three. I for one am very anxious to see that.

But really, I also notice that you are taking it personally that Apple is forcing you to do things. In the land of voluntary smart phone purchases of what should still be considered a luxury good, "force" is hyperbolic. Try not to interpret as malice what is probably just apathy. Why should they make it easy for people who want to integrate with other ecosystems? I would expect they shouldn't go out of their way to make it difficult, but complaining that they haven't considered every combination of devices you might have to make it easy is a bit much.

And I'm not sure what you mean in your analysis of the new programming language. Are you suggesting that developers will give up on the most lucrative market for app development and go Android only because of this?
 
Notification Center = interactive is good.

From the lock screen, yes ... from the app... no..... I'm concentrating on the app..

I can see you'd need to flick it away if you don't wanna see it, but having it pop up to begin with regardless of where it is on screen, its just takes my eyes momentarily to see it.

To the degree, I could of crashed my car :p

Third party keyboard & Quick-type: - good news, and probably a long wait for some people, but how predictive can you get ? Why do Apple always like to change their minds. ?

It wasn't too long ago when Apple said "Third party keyboards are not allowed" I could see why.

But now Apple is more relaxed several years or so later ? Why Apple, Why ? just because people wanted it doesn't hold anything, cos feedback comes in all the time.

- Messages : I don't use iMessage.

Is siri getting to the point you no longer have to pick up your phone ? Just with more and more of this stuff for making it easier, siri must also get much better to comprehend and understand more...

That's a limitation..

Before you know it the microphone will always be listening, and so will Siri.... privacy will be gone as we know it..

Its the end of the world.


We have hat with SMS's dumb phones already, and i dunno how good it was, but i hated i in the day.

Will this be any better ? If its not, off it goes

I sure hope Apple know how far they wanna go with Touch ID, and developers, before we start seeing "oh. Touch ID is easy to bypass, even though we have all this security in place"

I'm not gonna say it can't happen, but anything is possible.
 
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I think I can speak for all of us here who were hoping you would be more upset so we could find out what happens when Apple gets to strike three. I for one am very anxious to see that.

But really, I also notice that you are taking it personally that Apple is forcing you to do things. In the land of voluntary smart phone purchases of what should still be considered a luxury good, "force" is hyperbolic. Try not to interpret as malice what is probably just apathy. Why should they make it easy for people who want to integrate with other ecosystems? I would expect they shouldn't go out of their way to make it difficult, but complaining that they haven't considered every combination of devices you might have to make it easy is a bit much.

And I'm not sure what you mean in your analysis of the new programming language. Are you suggesting that developers will give up on the most lucrative market for app development and go Android only because of this?

OK, you accuse me of hyperbole but you do the same thing. Let's not get hysterical here:

1) I am glad you like my signature. Your comment in reference to it is amusing. Sorry to let you down but (at least from your perspective), at strike 3 nothing will happen. I'll go on with my life, using the devices that make me happy.

2) I'm not taking anything "personally", in the sense that "Apple is doing this to me". I merely refute people's notion that I should be happy with whatever Apple gives me. In other words, I should try to make Apple "happy" with my money, instead of Apple making me "happy" with their products.

3) No, Apple is not forcing anything. Again, the term is used loosely, to imply that, unlike its competitors, Apple is known for putting the customer in the position of "their way or the highway"; in other words, their philosophy is "Apple-centric", not "customer-centric". That is fine for many, and I don't judge that. I simply point out that that is the case, and it is (increasingly) not for me.

4)And why should Apple make it easy for people to integrate with other systems? Simple. Because they could. Because its competitors try to and succeed at it. Because they'd (probably) be the best at it. Because they already integrate with other ecosystems (Windows PCs). Because it could cause users in situations like mine (diverse ecosystems) to say: "F-You, then. Bye." Because there really isn't a reason why not do it.

5) There's only so many types of devices out there. Don't exaggerate. How hard can it be for Apple to allow acces to iCloud from a web browser on an Android phone, that uses Apple's own WebKit?? I can access all of Google's services from an iPhone, so WTF?

6) I never said devs should go Android only! I swear, it gets annoying when people put their own spin on things. My point is that devs that build for other platforms as well as iOS will have to take in consideration the money and resources necessary to contend with Apple's proprietary language. Don't get me wrong, and as I said, I'm rooting for Apple here. But still, it may be risky.

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OK, at the risk of being flamed for missing something obvious, why is no article or post pointing out that all the images of IOS8 at WWDC were displayed on a device that is clearly not a current iPhone. What was it?

I think it was, but with the screen zoomed into.

I could be wrong, though.
 
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