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I wouldn’t use this for a traffic stop, I would however use it to buy alcohol. And show proof of age.
Indeed.
There’s a case in Massachusetts where the state cops admit using cello rite for personal reasons. Also, confiscating phones, cracking them and skimming through photos and other stuff looking for nudes.
I wouldn’t trust any LEO with my phone. I have not idea what tools they have at their disposal.
they can have my license, not my phone.
as my Leo friend said, a dropped phone is a found phone. A phone handed to a LEO is the Best Christmas present that a LEO could be handed.
 
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My Global Entry and Passpord Cards both have RFID and have yet to see any official use those features yet. Its gonna be a loooong time before digital ID's become the norm but happy we're making advances.
 
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In my home state of NSW in Australia, the law was implemented in 2018 BEFORE digital licences were launched. You only need to show the QR code for law enforcement to scan. You don't need to hand over your phone - it's the law. It even covers instances of no battery and broken screens.


It seems that all these new wiz bang products are released in the US before the relevant laws are put into place.
I'm sure you understand how cops work here in the US. Even if we had similar laws on the books, cops would absolutely demand you hand over your phone, and if you refused, they'd make it a problem for you very fast.
 
Most places around the Denver area will not accept the eLicense in the app that comes from the state, they only accept a physical DL because they cannot be bothered to train their staff. The Apple Walled license hardly matters as I know no one who had gotten it to work.
 
I'm sure you understand how cops work here in the US. Even if we had similar laws on the books, cops would absolutely demand you hand over your phone, and if you refused, they'd make it a problem for you very fast.
You don’t handover when they demand to give the phone. You don’t have to be a jerk but politely decline.
 
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We do, it’s called Real ID, any new driver’s licenses or state issued IDs must have them now.

Although that is not quite a national ID, not like Italians have. Some of those national IDs come with embedded chips, security certificates and your identity is also corroborated with your fingerprints. Real IDs in the US don't capture fingerprints, they just do a verification of legal status and address. Not at the same level as those national IDs. Not claiming the US needs such a thing. After all, those come from the times of fascist regimes and are as much identity documents as they are tools of population control/surveillance. However, with so many in the US claiming for ID verification for voting I am surprised they are not asking for a national voting ID card as they have in Mexico, which also works as ID.
 
But we have... it's called passport.
Not quite the same. Countries that have national ID usually mandate to obtain those IDs, usually during teen years. Nobody is obligated to have a US passport, US passport card, Real ID card, etc. Also usually, those national IDs are backed by capture of fingerprints (which those countries assure are not used for police purposes, but perhaps are). Some of those national IDs are remnants of fascist pasts and are as much IDs as tools for population control and surveillance. Usually people can be asked on the spot to produce such ID. Nobody in the US is expected to show a passport on the spot. Although green card owners are expected to be able to show the card on the spot if asked. My 2 cents.
 
My Global Entry and Passpord Cards both have RFID and have yet to see any official use those features yet. Its gonna be a loooong time before digital ID's become the norm but happy we're making advances.
Passport cards have a longer distance RFID designed to be read while driving into the US. I used it once at least at a land border crossing. I should be getting my Global Entry card in the near future. Also happy about the progress forward on digital technologies. Also on the progress of online renewal of US passports. Passport cards also work as nice Real ID documents. However, some people are not familiar with them, and can create confusion.
 
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Passport cards have a longer distance RFID designed to be read while driving into the US. I used it once at least at a land border crossing. I should be getting my Global Entry card in the near future. Also happy about the progress forward on digital technologies. Also on the progress of online renewal of US passports. Passport cards also work as nice Real ID documents. However, some people are not familiar with them, and can create confusion.
Yup, it’s a convenient option. Rather than replace my driver’s license right after I renewed it without RealID last year I made sure to request a passport card when I renewed my passport this year and tucked it into my wallet, that leaves me ready if realid *actually* starts becoming a flight requirement next year (assuming it doesnt get pushed back again)
 
Does anyone know if storing the drivers license in the Apple Wallet requires the use of Apple's iCloud service? If yes, is it required every time the license is shown via the wallet? Thank you for any info. The sources I found were less than forthcoming on this point.
 
I'm glad Columbus got added. Hopefully they add Austin, both Dallas airports, O'Hare, and Minneapolis and I'll be set.

Houston would be a must have too. It’s one of the biggest hubs with lots of domestic and international flights connecting through it.
 
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Does anyone know if storing the drivers license in the Apple Wallet requires the use of Apple's iCloud service? If yes, is it required every time the license is shown via the wallet? Thank you for any info. The sources I found were less than forthcoming on this point.

It does use the icloud service just so you can add it on other devices using the same apple id. However, it shouldn’t be required every time the license is presented; just like apple pay, the information transmitted via nfc would be stored locally in the secure enclave.
 
So if you’re pulled over youd have to give the cop your phone?
Oooh, good question.

Hopefully the cops are taught that giving your Digital ID doesn't mean you consent to them having access to your entire phone. If not, then we'd have some 4th amendment violations right there.
 
I was kind of hoping they'd be able to push digital identity forward more with this feature. But they are dealing with governments. And at a time when a lot of governments are making a lot of noise against them.

And in the US Apple chose to digitalize a state issued id. That made things even more difficult since they have to talk to each state instead of just the federal government (which often seems like it’s just there as an ornament since it leaves almost everything to the states). I guess that’s why Google is choosing to put the passport in its wallet instead of driver’s licenses.
 
You don’t handover when they demand to give the phone. You don’t have to be a jerk but politely decline.
I don't know what to tell you, dude. Go online and within a minute you'll have dozens of articles/videos of cops shooting people for literally nothing, let alone for refusing a direct order. This isn't up for debate - it's a fact.
 
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I don't know what to tell you, dude. Go online and within a minute you'll have dozens of articles/videos of cops shooting people for literally nothing, let alone for refusing a direct order. This isn't up for debate - it's a fact.
If you think refusing to hand over phone for ID is same as people on those videos, I don’t know what to tell you.
 
It’s the convenience of not having to pull out your wallet at certain locations and most law enforcement agents have everything when they pull you oven even proof of insurance. Last time I got a ticket they didn’t ask me for anything other than tell me I was speeding lol Here’s your ticket have a nice day!
 
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I wouldn’t use this for a traffic stop, I would however use it to buy alcohol. And show proof of age.
I would absolutely not.

This is going to have a NFC component that will hand over to whatever merchant you use it your entire DL info. That's not just proof of age, that's your DL number, your SS number if it's on there, your home address, whether you need glasses or not, the kind of DL you have, and anything else on there.

The liquor store clerk does a quick glance at my DL, if they ask at all. Unless they've got a photographic memory, they don't remember the rest.

And for those places that like to scan the barcode - that won't work, because my DL had a brief accident with a bench grinder, the barcode is unscannable.

My DL will NEVER go on my phone. Not happening. I'm sticking with the physical card for that.
 
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Oooh, good question.

Hopefully the cops are taught that giving your Digital ID doesn't mean you consent to them having access to your entire phone. If not, then we'd have some 4th amendment violations right there.
Oh, I'm betting that the courts will decide handing the piggy your unlocked phone is consent to a search. And given how quickly FaceID unlocks a phone without intent, having your DL on your phone is just stupid.

Quick tap the lock button 5 times before you even get close to a cop unless you want everything downloaded. That locks out FaceID until you put in your passcode.
 
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