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5400 RPM notebook HD.. in a 1300+ computer, never mind the weak as hell GPU, all for some absolutely useless thinness.

I'm glad I jumped off the ship before it sank. If you actually know what a 5400RPM vs 7200RPM means you're no longer a target Apple market, this is a $1500 Facebook machine for grandma.

Lol!!! That grandma comment made me chuckle because its true. I did like the 21".... Until I saw you cannot upgrade the ram so must pay apple tax and no DVD in a desktop.... Hmmm forcing you to use the apple App Store no doubt paying apple prices, or maybe steam with the handful of games that work?

But I have to say its damn sexy! Wonder how much the fusion drive is..? And as for 512mb video ram in 2012! My iPhone has more!!
 
Hey is Blu-Ray burner a forbidden word @ Cupertino office...anyone knows why.?

Something to do with licensing and royalty fees. But folks say Blu-Ray doesn't matter as the content has gone online.

Still have to wonder, how you stream a 50 GB worth of Blu Ray quality movie.
 
Oh wow... so my desktop computer has the best mobile GPU... golly gee, thank you so much.

But wait - you mean that my desktop computer, the one that I don't really give a rat's rump about how "thin" it is, may have to be a bit thicker to support better GPU, so that my desktop computer can help render and support all the graphic (photos, videos, etc.) processing that I desire, and want to do with my desktop computer (w/o having to spend two arms and a leg for an aged MP)?

Yea,,, thanks, so much,,, just really happily crystal clear.

All because some people think (a) everyone want thin, (b) everyone has hi-speed broadband 'net connections... sorry bud, but there are fools such as I that don't care about the thinness, and live in a rural area.

PS: So now, for us goofy non-hip fools that care more about function over form, we are going to have to have cord(s) dangling from this new iMac, over our desks, going to boxes now taking up real estate on our desks (or hidden out of sight, but then needing to open drawers / doors to access). Yea, that is good form right there... oh my, so clear.

If you are concerned about graphics cards, they got updated and improved by a significant margin today. You should be happy.
 
I was really thinking of getting this, but I think I'm going to have to pass.

thin and light is great when using a laptop or a tablet, I don't see the advantage in a desktop unit. I'm not concerned with these in a non portable and would prefer to have an optical drive. I'm not willing to spend more money and have increased desk clutter to have an external dvd drive.

I'm just not willing to pay these prices for less functionality and I can't imagine anyone that wants an optical drive would buy one of these machines. Unfortunately the Mac Pro's have become strictly pro machines ($$$) and those that would take a tower are left out in the cold here.

beyond that I hate that with every new machine I have less and less user serviceable parts. I want to be able to do minor upgrades. I'm not going to buy a new computer every couple years and being able to upgrade parts is huge in extending the life of you computer.

just my 2¢


I hear ya.
That's why I spend a butload on a early 2008 Mac Pro about a year and a half.
Since then I've upped the RAM from 4 to 16 and upgraded HDs. Right now my OS and core apps are on a 128GB Samsung SSD while the rest sits on a WD black.
I use the RAM to run several VMs.
Now that I'm converting my media to iTunes now my culprit is time machine size. I'm maxing out the 2TB WD Green.

I watched the presentation today and loved the side view... until I saw the rest. For some reason I thought they did some voodo and made it all flat, but then I saw the bulge in the back... and same with the display... looks like edge to edge glass but the display is not edge to edge.

Visually the only plus is thinner to grab with your hand if you want to tilt the screen but who does that so often. I think it's a one step forward two steps back thing.

In regards to RAM upgradable to 32GB... I think it's by Apple only IE non user serviceable.

It's as if Apple lets you upgrade RAM easy on the Mac Mini to get you into the ecosystem and then once you taste it you are paying hefty price.

The 13 inch MB Pro I think is a good price however...
 
The new iMac is indeed gorgeous. However I wonder how many folks are aware that the Fusion drive isn't exactly a brand new concept. A quick google search revealed several posts on blogs and social media that were lauding Apple for its "innovation" of the Fusion concept, yet I've had a Momentus XT hybrid drive in my MBP for almost two years.

Don't be messing up the discussion with facts. Apple invented the hybrid drive and will now sue Seagate for making one first. :D
 
Apple invented Friction Stir Welding to make the iPad

;):apple:

But jokes aside, you have to appreciate the fact that they do. Only a handful if not the only one in the US, that goes into such minute detail about everything.

Considering that we are all sort of mentally conditioned by WalMart type stores that "If it just works, I am fine with it and it should be very cheap as well".

At the moment I can't afford many of the products Apple displayed today, but I have to admire the work they are putting into every little detail. That's sorely missing in a lot of companies and a lot of products.
 
Can see the Thunderbolt Display getting the same thinning treatment in the coming months. Which is a truth - both the old iMac and TB display are damn heavy units to lug around. And makes me already see the age in the TBD sitting on my desk.

But you have to hand it to Apple. Their products are all about sex. Continually refined sexiness. Apart from the iPod Nano which is a complete u-turn and anomaly in their line.

With such a thin iMac it's clear they're appealing to hairdresser POS desks and architecture admin receptions, I guess the last saving grace for the uber-pro Mac user is a refined Mac Pro in 2013 with the killer graphics and expand ability needed.
 
Ok folks, I feel a bit let down for the people who wanted a 21" iMac, due to the lack of user accessible ram but I'm going for a 27" so doesn't affect me.:eek:

The lack of a optical drive a drag but just means I'm going to buy a bluray writer instead.:D

The fact it's going to cost me £100 more for the updated model than last years? After the rumours that were going around I'm just happy it only went up by that much. And the screen being fused, and not allowing a build up of dust to form between display and glass has sealed the deal.:cool:
 
5400 RPM notebook HD.. in a 1300+ computer, never mind the weak as hell GPU, all for some absolutely useless thinness.

I'm glad I jumped off the ship before it sank. If you actually know what a 5400RPM vs 7200RPM means you're no longer a target Apple market, this is a $1500 Facebook machine for grandma.

Before I got my E2008 Mac Pro I purchased new at the time mini (from the refurb store), it was one of the first ones with dual displays.

I was totally surprised in a bad way how slow the built in drive was.
I upgraded to a solid state and booted into SL in 17 seconds or so.

Same thing with my Macbook. I have a white Macbook I think E2008 (the last gen before plastic unibody). And it was okay but then I installed WD blue and saw a big speed boost, then WD black and another jump, then a SSD. Seems like each time I made the jump the machine became much much faster. Oh yes, I did up the RAM from 2GB to 4GB shortly after I got it.

The stock HDs Apple uses are mega mega slow.
I think this is one of those things if you don't know the difference and just want the Mac experience (OS, iTunes, garage band, ...) then you'll go with the plain one. 5400 is so ... 4 years ago.
 
Something to do with licensing and royalty fees. But folks say Blu-Ray doesn't matter as the content has gone online.

Still have to wonder, how you stream a 50 GB worth of Blu Ray quality movie.


You can still buy blu-ray burners on your own dime. Apple just doesn't sell them stock. That doesn't mean they don't work on Macs...

Honestly, some people don't even bother thinking before whining on here.
 
Reading through this thread, it's as if iMacs have never had mobile GPUs before, if anyone anticipated anything different, well, you're quite stupid.
 
You can still buy blu-ray burners on your own dime. Apple just doesn't sell them stock. That doesn't mean they don't work on Macs...

Honestly, some people don't even bother thinking before whining on here.

Why bother with an all in one if you're gonna have a bunch of **** hanging from it just to make it right?
 
Personally, my daughter uses her iMac's optical several times a week. removing the drive in order to make it thinner is a nice sound bite but in reality the system will take up the about amount of space because of the base. However, we would now have to clutter her desk with another device, a USB cable and a power cable. Reducing the thickness in practical terms is ZERO gain but comes with additional costs. To add insult to injury, we pay another $100 for this.

Apple seem to think reducing thickness is always the answer and it's not.

Thats my personal opinion and the cause for my disappointment.


EDIT:
Macs have always been over priced considering the performance but I do love them. You pay for build quality, great looks and a great OS. This year it seems that the price / performance ratio is getting much worse though and for some it may be reaching an unacceptable point.

I hear you on the optical drive. It's not THAT big of a deal for the vast majority of users. I happen to also have one of the Apple external 'super' drives. I keep it centred on the base of the stand for the Thunderbolt display. It actually works quite well (and looks 'good') positioned there, and hides the cable behind the screen.

The optical drive removal is just "keeping with the times". I appreciate that some use it more than others, but going forward you're going to find less and less need for one. Apple is always first in those areas. Not to mention, optical drives have for me at least... been #1 on my list of hardware failures of all time. PC or Mac. I extremely rarely have had any other part die on me outside of the HDD I accidentally dropped on the floor outside of failing DVD drives. So if that means I don't need to take in a whole iMac... personally for me I'm ok with it.

Might sound like an overly optimistic viewpoint and drinking the 'Apple juice' but honestly the external drives available aren't that bad - it certainly would NOT stop me from buying a Mac of any kind because they are quick to drop 'legacy' specs.
 
Before I got my E2008 Mac Pro I purchased new at the time mini (from the refurb store), it was one of the first ones with dual displays.

I was totally surprised in a bad way how slow the built in drive was.
I upgraded to a solid state and booted into SL in 17 seconds or so.

Same thing with my Macbook. I have a white Macbook I think E2008 (the last gen before plastic unibody). And it was okay but then I installed WD blue and saw a big speed boost, then WD black and another jump, then a SSD. Seems like each time I made the jump the machine became much much faster. Oh yes, I did up the RAM from 2GB to 4GB shortly after I got it.

The stock HDs Apple uses are mega mega slow.
I think this is one of those things if you don't know the difference and just want the Mac experience (OS, iTunes, garage band, ...) then you'll go with the plain one. 5400 is so ... 4 years ago.

This "ExpressCache" being implemented in the new iMac should be present in the new Retina 13". Sony uses smaller form-factor laptop HDDs, so perhaps the new rMBP13 could implement it too. 128GB is pretty fast, but such small storage makes the new rMBP a premium variation of the MBAir 13".
 
Of course its not the same, I understand that. My point is that the concept is not new (which you pointed out as well).

The difference is probably that this fusion drive works as advertised, whereas the momentus XP is only a hair faster than a traditional 7200 drive. And very far from a read SSD. All tests out there confirm this.

I expect the fusion drive to deliver actual SSD performance, similar to what I got with a 80GB SSD boot drive, and a secondary 500GB HDD. My system was equivalent in speed to a pure SSD because i kept only media files on the HDD. Everything else, including my user folder, was on the SSD. You never play media files at more than 1 mbit / second so speed is irrelevant...
 
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