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Apple Announces Lighter, Thinner iMac Models with Fusion Drive

dennno said:
They're cheap because nobody wants to buy them lol and the retailers are trying to get rid of the last few they had in stock for years.

I can't be bothered quoting everything you posted lol but I definitely find one hard drive containing all movies and music easier than hundreds of CDs and DVDs.
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It is great that you prefer a hard drive.

But that is not the point: millions of us still buy CDs (and DVDs) every year.

I don't understand this comparison with the floppy. Because the floppy was not a industry standard for music. The demise of the CD will be a very protracted and long affair. To repeat -> The point that some of you seem to miss is that millions will still be buying CDs for many years. Certainly for the next 5-6 years which is the relevant time period for somebody buying an iMac today.

If Apple is ahead of the curve, in this instance they have fallen flat on the floor.


Pedro
 
You must be joking.

"You can't be too thin or have too much money"....

.....unless you are one of the Peanut M&M - eating whiners here on MacRumors complaining about such a beautiful piece of engineering...

You guys really need to get outside more often. Go to a museum. Look at some art work. Go to Best Buy (while they are still in business). Look at some of the really crappy PC's while you are there. Compare them to this beauty.

Seriously, people.

SB

Builddesign said:
It just might be too thin...

Have to look in person.

I would also think the heat is reduced almost eliminated?

:rolleyes:
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SB27 said:
You must be joking.

"You can't be too thin or have too much money"....

.....unless you are one of the Peanut M&M - eating whiners here on MacRumors complaining about such a beautiful piece of engineering...

You guys really need to get outside more often. Go to a museum. Look at some art work. Go to Best Buy (while they are still in business). Look at some of the really crappy PC's while you are there. Compare them to this beauty.

Seriously, people.

SB
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Pretty alone is not compelling enough to buy something when we require functionality.

pedrordep said:
It is great that you prefer a hard drive.

But that is not the point: millions of us still buy CDs (and DVDs) every year.

I don't understand this comparison with the floppy. Because the floppy was not a industry standard for music. The demise of the CD will be a very protracted and long affair. To repeat -> The point that some of you seem to miss is that millions will still be buying CDs for many years. Certainly for the next 5-6 years which is the relevant time period for somebody buying an iMac today.

If Apple is ahead of the curve, in this instance they have fallen flat on the floor.


Pedro
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It even made less sense with the Mac mini which a lot of people may have used as a HTPC and it needed a bluray drive and then remove it making it useless for that purpose. Apple just discounts people that currently have large film collections and may like a way to play those. And adding an external to the mini is just ridiculous, completely ruins the entire point if a mini.
 
pedrordep said:
It is great that you prefer a hard drive.

But that is not the point: millions of us still buy CDs (and DVDs) every year.

I don't understand this comparison with the floppy. Because the floppy was not a industry standard for music. The demise of the CD will be a very protracted and long affair. To repeat -> The point that some of you seem to miss is that millions will still be buying CDs for many years. Certainly for the next 5-6 years which is the relevant time period for somebody buying an iMac today.

If Apple is ahead of the curve, in this instance they have fallen flat on the floor.


Pedro
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iTunes outsells CD's by a significant factor and has for a while. Most music is not sold on CD's anymore, and the numbers for CD's are dwindling constantly. In fact, the only physical media I've seen on the rise other than Blu-Ray (and Apple's reasons for not doing that are well documented, whether you agree with them or not) is vinyl, ironically. You don't expect Apple to add a turntable to the iMac, though, right?

jW
 
Considering saving toward Next Gen MacPro

I have been thinking after reading all the comments last night in this thread. I have $1700 saved so far. Since I won't be making my purchase until Summer I probably will just save towards a next gen MacPro. Although that is gonna put me over budget $2500, it guarantees me a machine that is more upgradable (although ECC RAM ain't cheap). But its just not closed off like the iMac has now become. Also, I can invest in a cheap 27 inch display and hook it up. Also, I am getting discrete powerful graphics.

I don't think the new iMac is what I am looking for in a machine anymore. The previous generation was the right balance. Although I wanted to simplify my setup, its just I believe I am losing a bit too much in power and AIOs are still a recipe for failure. Its making all your eggs hatch in one basket (hope I said that right). If something fails, especially in this new Gen iMac, it pretty much could mean everything. I cannot take that risk.

Something just popped into my head, maybe it would just be best to go Mac Mini plus MacBook Pro.
 
Parkin Pig said:
You're getting a stiff one over a computer, and telling everybody else they need to get outside more often. The irony is too delicious.
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PIG,

Look at the number of my posts on MacRumors (less than a few dozen). How many posts do you have? Slightly more ... :)

There you go....by the way....typing this while on my back patio...no peanut M&M's in sight...laughing out loud.

Seriously, get outside, Pig. Go to a museum. Check out some art. It's awesome.

;-)

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SB27 said:
PIG,

Look at the number of my posts on MacRumors (less than a few dozen). How many posts do you have? Slightly more ... :)

There you go....by the way....typing this while on my back patio...no peanut M&M's in sight...laughing out loud.

Seriously, get outside, Pig. Go to a museum. Check out some art. It's awesome.

;-)
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I just noted you live in Yorkshire, UK. Never mind about that whole going outside thing....laughing out loud. You should still get over to London and head to some museums though...

SB in California

:)
 
sigamy said:
Did they remove the FW800 port too? I have 4 FW enclosures on the floor connected to my 2011 iMac. Guess I won't be upgrading until Thunderbolt prices come down to my level.
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If $29 for the Thunderbolt -> FireWire dongle is too rich for your blood, you shouldn't even be thinking about upgrading.
 
SB27 said:
You should still get over to London and head to some museums though...
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Ah of course, London's the only place in the UK you've heard of.

Not for you then the Yorkshire sculpture park, Cartwright Hall, the UNESCO protected living museum village of Saltaire, the David Hockney exhibition in Salts Mill, the stunning Yorkshire Dales National Park, the North York moors, the Lake District, the National museum of Photography, Film and Television, The National Railway museum, The York Castle Museum, The National Coal-Mining Museum, The Yorkshire Air Museum, The MAGNA Science Adventure Centre, the Jorvik Viking Centre, The Bronte Parsonage Museum to name but a few.

Yorkshire? Gee buddy, is that near London? Har-dee-har-har.
 
I am not nuts about it. The SD slot on the side being moved to the back is upsetting as I use that daily. I feel the GPU offerings are a little weak and will miss the superdrive. I will probably upgrade my imac in a few years but have no desire to change to this newer style honestly.
 
General Mac computer question.

I have said before that Apples way of thinking is leaving me out of buying their systems in the future for their lack of optical drive and even a blu-ray player, because that is what I want in a system. (The macbook air would be different) And many will say Apple does not care, which would be an odd way of seeing possible costumers.

Since it is Mac and people will buy it regardless (for the most part) one would think that by keeping or adding more function would allow for more sales as I imagine there would be more people that would not buy a system they feel is limited over someone who thinks this system does too much and passes on it.

Would the addition of a blu-ray drive in the Mac mini do anything other then add possible sales? Is anyone seriously going to avoid it because it could now do more? I am speaking as a possible costumer and overall they disabled most of their systems far too much to be useful for me needs aside from a future retina Macbook Air.
 
Pig,

That was also what we call over here "a joke". Yorkshire is a great place (as is London). I attended college for a year at Oxford (University). Love Oxford also. What a great place.

Now go back inside and enjoy your Mac G3.

:)

Bryce

Parkin Pig said:
Ah of course, London's the only place in the UK you've heard of.

Not for you then the Yorkshire sculpture park, Cartwright Hall, the UNESCO protected living museum village of Saltaire, the David Hockney exhibition in Salts Mill, the stunning Yorkshire Dales National Park, the North York moors, the Lake District, the National museum of Photography, Film and Television, The National Railway museum, The York Castle Museum, The National Coal-Mining Museum, The Yorkshire Air Museum, The MAGNA Science Adventure Centre, the Jorvik Viking Centre, The Bronte Parsonage Museum to name but a few.

Yorkshire? Gee buddy, is that near London? Har-dee-har-har.
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Mal said:
iTunes outsells CD's by a significant factor and has for a while. Most music is not sold on CD's anymore, and the numbers for CD's are dwindling constantly. In fact, the only physical media I've seen on the rise other than Blu-Ray (and Apple's reasons for not doing that are well documented, whether you agree with them or not) is vinyl, ironically. You don't expect Apple to add a turntable to the iMac, though, right?

jW
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I'd love to see your source for this. Total digital download purchases of music outsold CDs in the UK for the first time in July (total downloads, not iTunes) and I believe the same was only the case in the US a few months earlier. To say that iTunes downloads outsell CDs by a significant factor therefore is not true: the likelihood is CDs still at present outsell iTunes. Likewise to say that it's been the case for a while is clearly not the case. I'm not saying that's necessarily a reason for keeping the CD drive, but I hate it when people write things as of they're fact without checking anything....
 
macleod199 said:
I'd be curious to see studies on whether the improved caching with the SSDs makes the effects of 7200 v. 5400 essentially invisible for most use cases.
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except the base model wasn't invited to the hybrid party - 5400 RPM 2.5" by default and no upgrade path (except the thunderbolt port).
 
One good thing I noticed was they added a standard (aka non server) Mac Mini....probably in response to people trying to use the Mac Mini Servers quad cores but the Server didn't support Hyper-threading :/ I might pick up a Mac Mini as my next computer with the Quad core, throw 16GB's of RAM and use that as my primary machine for FCP X, After Effects and encoding...its tiny enough I could carry it with me to work and home if needed...just waiting for the bench mark tests!

rdlink said:
I still haven't seen that. I read that it was configurable to 32GB. Configurable means you can buy it from Apple. Since Apple wants about $600 for 32GB, and I can get it for $200 from OWC, I want to buy it aftermarket.
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Exactly! I will never buy RAM from Apple... I grabbed my MacBook Pro 13" in 2010 (well as a gift really) and put in 8GB of RAM for 39.99...hows that for cheap!!
nuckinfutz said:
No it's user configurable there is a little door where the RAM slots now reside on the back. Users can get access to RAM for upgrades.

27" is the way to go.
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If this is true it makes it decently okay. Everything that was upgradable on the last model of the iMac better be upgradable now....

krravi said:
Something to do with licensing and royalty fees. But folks say Blu-Ray doesn't matter as the content has gone online.

Still have to wonder, how you stream a 50 GB worth of Blu Ray quality movie.
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Just because they don't like it doesn't mean it exists...and yeah 50GB's over the internet is gonna be tough Apple....at least put some support in...I have an external Blu-ray burner and I can read/copy the entire disc I just can't play it! Blu-ray is a reality! What if your a post production house or a mastering house for film! Jesus Apple...
 
Poisednoise said:
I'd love to see your source for this. Total digital download purchases of music outsold CDs in the UK for the first time in July (total downloads, not iTunes) and I believe the same was only the case in the US a few months earlier. To say that iTunes downloads outsell CDs by a significant factor therefore is not true: the likelihood is CDs still at present outsell iTunes. Likewise to say that it's been the case for a while is clearly not the case. I'm not saying that's necessarily a reason for keeping the CD drive, but I hate it when people write things as of they're fact without checking anything....
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It was in one of the Apple presentations last year sometime, I don't remember the exact quote.

jW
 
nateo200 said:
Just because they don't like it doesn't mean it exists...and yeah 50GB's over the internet is gonna be tough Apple....at least put some support in...I have an external Blu-ray burner and I can read/copy the entire disc I just can't play it! Blu-ray is a reality! What if your a post production house or a mastering house for film! Jesus Apple...
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Apples attitude does get a bit tiresome, moving hundreds of GBs of data around the net is not going to happen at this time. I know there are lost sales to some degree, more so over not having something then having it, the number may be small yet it does exist.

Apple seem to have issues with far too many, Google, Sony (blu-ray) Adobe, Samsung, Microsoft is so-so because that is a different matter. I wonder who they do get along with.
 
Optical Drive: Who Needs IT

topgunn said:
How often do you use the optical drive?
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I personally never use my optical drive, all my software is downloadable; however, I know several people that burn DVDs and have several software CDs/DVDs... everyone uses their in a different amount. Would have been nice to have an optical drive, but in my opinion will not be missed.
 
Xiroteus said:
General Mac computer question.

I have said before that Apples way of thinking is leaving me out of buying their systems in the future for their lack of optical drive and even a blu-ray player, because that is what I want in a system. (The macbook air would be different) And many will say Apple does not care, which would be an odd way of seeing possible costumers.

Since it is Mac and people will buy it regardless (for the most part) one would think that by keeping or adding more function would allow for more sales as I imagine there would be more people that would not buy a system they feel is limited over someone who thinks this system does too much and passes on it.

Would the addition of a blu-ray drive in the Mac mini do anything other then add possible sales? Is anyone seriously going to avoid it because it could now do more? I am speaking as a possible costumer and overall they disabled most of their systems far too much to be useful for me needs aside from a future retina Macbook Air.
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I hear what you are saying but I think you are over estimating the number of people who (today) want or need an optical drive, let alone a BlueRay drive.

Apple knows it's market and it builds pretty specific machines that deliver "x" functionality/features. Apple makes a bet that their "x" will serve some percentage of users that make it worthwhile. Plus, Apple sells machines at a nice profit margin.

Apple will never build the headless iMac or the mid-tower xMac. They are trying to make a computer that is as easy as a toaster. This has been the goal since the Apple II.

I appreciate Apple's goal but it does suck when they pull something out that you personally rely on, be that floppy drive, user-replaceable battery, optical drive, etc.
 
sigamy said:
I hear what you are saying but I think you are over estimating the number of people who (today) want or need an optical drive, let alone a BlueRay drive.

Apple knows it's market and it builds pretty specific machines that deliver "x" functionality/features. Apple makes a bet that their "x" will serve some percentage of users that make it worthwhile. Plus, Apple sells machines at a nice profit margin.

Apple will never build the headless iMac or the mid-tower xMac. They are trying to make a computer that is as easy as a toaster. This has been the goal since the Apple II.

I appreciate Apple's goal but it does suck when they pull something out that you personally rely on, be that floppy drive, user-replaceable battery, optical drive, etc.
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I imagine it is a much smaller market, it would go to standard dvd drive then to a blu-ray drive. I would be curious how many people would have bought one if they included these features. One would think adding more would add in an extra sale here and there. I would find it a bit odd if anyone would say they are not going to buy a system because Apple added a blu-ray drive.

Speaking for myself, a retina backbook pro with a blu-ray drive could be the ultimate laptop, OSx along with Windows 7-8 and a blu-ray drive? Perfect. However they went the wrong way by removing it all together which likely means I would look elsewhere, now the Air is still very possible once it gets a better screen, ultrabooks can leave out such drives.

Another idea would to at least have the option, a thinner macbook pro with retina and then a retina with an optical drive. That is the weakness with the newer systems, some want an optical drive and the retina display, I know I would.

The biggest reason I am so strong about blu-ray on a laptop is because that is the only electronic I currently own that can play movies, no desktop or television, I watch everything with my computer so I find it very useful, I know most do not care because they have a regular entertainment center.
 
Lighter? Thinner?

Now, I don't want to seem like one of those critics that judge it negatively before I have learned everything about it so I'm going to point out things that can be judged before having one. Clearly, everyone can see Apple's attempt to call the lighter technology a "feature" but why do they raise the price by $100 also? They could not name three relevant things that would support their idea of lighter design. I noted that the graphics were better but if they were really better such as the retina feature, then they would have increased the price significantly. Now, I honestly think the 2011 iMac was the perfect width and I think that heat will be a problem when this sleek design releases in November which is why I am here to help you. If you are considering on buying this iMac, which I might, then you should wait it out until early 2013. Trust me, you would not want to be known as the loser who paid $100 more for the design with an overheat problem. Make sure you see the pros and cons clearly before considering this 2012 iMac. I sure will...
 
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