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Still do not understand why Apple is so obsessed with making thin computers. Makes sense for the notebooks since thinner means lighter and people notice every time the move their computer.

Once you get past how thin the edge is (and how silly that rear facing beer belly looks) It is still a 27" (or 21") computer sitting on your desk.

You are not saving much space on your desk (An inch of depth? two?)

If they want to get rid of optical drives, fine. Personally I think it is too soon but it will happen* and Apple wants to be first. I get it. Good for them.

*meaning, a lot of people still use CDs and DVDs. Streaming and Cloud storage is great for a lot of people, but it still needs to catch up a bit for many others. CDs and DVDs will not last forever, computers will stop having them built in at some point.
 
Apple isn't making choices based upon thinness. They're making choices to push the market ahead and like they've done in the past, they're ahead of the curve. The discussion on thinness is just a result of their cutting the use of an optical drive. I can guarantee you that within the next 3 years or so, you'll see Apple completely drop the use of spinning HDD's moving completely to flash storage. They'll most likely be ahead of the curve again in doing so, much to the consternation of those that want to hang on to slow 1tb spinning disks.

Apple's done this kind of thing time and again, whether it was their decision to drop the floppy from early Macs (and face industry ridicule for doing so) to now moving away from ODD's. If any tech company has the ability to force innovation and change, it's Apple.

As an Apple user since the first Mac 1984 with a 9 inch b/w screen, no hard drive, no superdrive, no bluetooth, modem, internet and and and, I can only say whatever they have left out and changed over time has made my use of computers better.

But, it requires a willingness to constantly accept change.

That is something people have a hard time with.

The new iMac is just beautiful to look at. Kind of funny though that 99.9% of all the pictures on their website never show the back bulge.

Does it matter that it is thinner , not really, but why make it bigger than it needs to be?

The part I don't get about the whiners is that if what you have is working for you, why upgrade?

You obviously haven't reached the point where you left your CDs/DVDs etc. behind and want to change the way you work/use your iMac.

I haven't bought a CD/DVD in 15 plus years and don't miss it. Having "stuff" that needs to be stored, sorted, remembered where I put it , can be lost, damaged etc.etc. is something I can do without.

There are so many ways to consume movies and music now that lamenting about not having ones preferred kind is just funny.

Apple has decided that their new computers are where we will be going and if somebody doesn't want to follow they can buy something else.

About the only thing I would like to see is a way to upgrade the HD set up, as for many buying a fully tricked out iMac is too expensive and I usually do that kind of an upgrade over many years when I hit a speed bump, prices of memory and HD's come down and I want to extend the life of my computers.
(Waiting for SSDs to drop)

For every argument and complaint that something is not in the new iMac there is a counter argument why it doesn't have to be in there.

Admittedly it is hard to embrace a new way to work or consume, but Apple is showing the way, once again.

As posted, in a few years from now this will be the norm.
 
The new fully laminated design to improve optical quality

When Apple Yesterday Anounced that the New iMac had a "new fully laminated design to improve optical quality" this sounded a bit like an admission of a known design flaw :(

The iMac Displays of the previous generation's had a problem with dust Entering the display. So Many People had this issue that sites are all around the net warning people about " Grey Smudge / Dark Patches on iMac screen's "

Perhaps this is the fix for all the displays that had to replaced under warranty claims.

Also i noticed that they have pulled all the previous 2011 model from there site even though the new model is not shipping yet !

Anybody had the issue ? and what's your thoughts on this ?

I Like the new Design :) but i would rather have it a little thicker and keep the optical drive as a Desktop does not need to be thin and light like a Macbook.

But this would not stop me buying one ( As Long as the new Sealed / Laminated screen is the FIX of the Grey Dust Problems ? :rolleyes: )
 
Admittedly, the new design isn't great. But I feel energy and manufacturing is being overlooked. No one has even mentioned the eco-friendliness of this new model.

Look at it from an ecological perspective: less aluminum, less junk = less waste. Apple certainly isn't going to win any environmental awards anytime soon. But at least they're making a conscious effort to eliminate the massive waste of these metals and plastics.

It also uses 50% less power. These are monumental leaps in eliminating carbon footprints.

Something should be said about this because from the sounds of it, if Apple keeps updating this rapidly and we continue going through machines like pairs of underwear, we're gonna leave a huge trail of waste behind us for our kids.
 
Just a quick clarification, if possible:

For the 21 inch version that was just released, are you stuck with whatever amount of RAM you get when you buy it?
 
Just a quick clarification, if possible:

For the 21 inch version that was just released, are you stuck with whatever amount of RAM you get when you buy it?

According to the way the apple website makes it sound.... YES you are stuck with the amount of RAM. They don't say whether or not it is soldered, but we don't know yet how accessible the RAM and HDD will be to replace. Looks like the 27" has an easy access door.

Question for ALL:
WHY ISN'T THAT DOOR ON THE 21??? And don't say cause 21" buyers don't care. If that is the case, why the crap is Mac Mini user replaceable?
 
You guys are going to make my head explode with all the "too thin" comments. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
True, but it's the 'entry level' for a reason.

True, but the previous entry-level iMac had a 7200 rpm drive, could have its memory upgraded by the user, and its CPU upgraded as a CTO.

This entry level iMac is a dead end.

Maybe it will be a useful dead end for many people, but a dead end nonetheless. I was looking to recommend the entry-level iMac to a couple of friends, but I can't do that in good conscience with this one.

Once I push them to level two, it starts to get expensive and perhaps not worth it for them -- we're at $1500 and still have a 5400 rpm drive. The Fusion option is what, $250 more? So we're pushing $1800 there. Not cost-effective, in my opinion. And the people I'm talking about will not spend $1800.
 
I simply think there's far too much emphasis on appearance, and not enough on cost-reduction.

The entire presentation discussed the appearance of the machine and its construction. Not what I need to provide for my children's education. I'm really shocked by the high prices.
 
Yes, but that day has not come for Blu-Ray.

25GB - 50GB BD-R discs would be nice for backup purposes alone...

COST: And how much will it cost you to use BD-R discs for backup? MUCH more expensive than your average USB that's for sure, you also have to invest on a Blu-ray burner and on players that actually read that data.

RELIABILITY/FLEXIBILITY/SECURITY: Using blu-ray as backup is a poor excuse today. There are literally thousands of online file sharing sites/cloud services that provide greater flexibility, security and durability. These services offer REAL backup measures superior to what any average consumer can come up with: such as fireproof rooms, rooms built to withstand natural disasters, anti-theft security, mirrored file servers etc. etc. You honestly think you can keep a more reliable backup on a blu-ray than companies that have invested millions of dollars to ensure such reliability for consumers?

How do you archive your home videos or photos? Or what about transfer videos/photos to friends and family? A 10c DVD is still cheaper than a USB drive...

Virtually every person I keep in contact with that wants family photos and videos have facebook. Everything is stored there and viewable on virtually any device anywhere in the world. Why back it up on a physical media, like blu-ray that is not as readily available as a computer or the internet. There's things like shareable photo streams now if you don't want to use facebook and Dropbox links. The list goes on and on.

RE-USABILITY: DVDs are cheaper but they are not reusable. Want to buy the re-usable one? It'll end up being the same price

MOBILITY & DURABILITY: Consumes much larger physical space and is more prone to scratches and damage that could potentially render all that precious data you backed up useless. USBs are far lighter, carry more space, are flexible in deleting/adding files and consume less physical space than your average candy and the internals are not exposed to damage from scratches.

I'm sorry but there is truly no advantage to using physical media over services that's available today. The importance of mobility is growing and people want to view those photos anywhere, anytime without the need to find a DVD player, a TV and hope that the DVD is not scratched and will show an appropriate horribly designed menu with photos that are difficult to navigate. You're just attached to your DVDs. It had its time in the spotlight, but it's now inferior to what's available today and that's a fact.

And as for the slow speeds and large download files. No one has dial-up anymore, even third world countries download files at much larger sizes at decent speeds so you have no excuse there. But since you're still accustomed to DVDs and haven't quite grasped the concept of the advantages of superior services, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't have a broadband connection.
 
At first I was thinking of purchasing a Mac Mini for gaming, but then I found it didn't have a discrete graphics card. Then I was thinking about just saving up my money for the new 21 inch iMac (27 inch is way too big for my taste), but now seeing that nothing is user upgradeable, I'm probably not. Maybe I will in the future, but for now I'm just going to upgrade my current Late 2011 MacBook Pro to a 512GB SSD or, if able, an Apple Fusion Drive.

The new iMac design is great, but I'm a college student with a $120 paycheck every 2 weeks. If I'm going to purchase an iMac, I'm gonna want to buy one without spending hundreds extra on RAM I could get for $30.

/sigh
 
CDs and movies one already owns, movies or music found for cheap that one wants to transfer to their computer.

They're cheap because nobody wants to buy them lol and the retailers are trying to get rid of the last few they had in stock for years.

I can't be bothered quoting everything you posted lol but I definitely find one hard drive containing all movies and music easier than hundreds of CDs and DVDs.
 
This new iMac is just less for more...

Agreed, it is an Apple Accountant's dream.

1- No Optical to push people to buy via Apple App or itunes (also save $$ on drive)
2- streamlined logic board and peripheral board, so ... less connectors and people can only access via back.
3- less user access, so they have a lock on selling ram or drives
4- Cheaper i5 CPU on board. not i7, only as an option.

Apple seems to be sliding in the wrong direction. Things like SD card in the back where it is hard to access? that's just retarded, but hey... it keeps it cheaper to make.

It seems like the new Apple is run by bean counters and people watching margin's instead of practical design. sad.

also

Not allowing Blu-Ray playback from pre-recorded movies, even if people bring their own BD USB drive?

The new iMac, more expensive. Cheaper to make with a higher margin so I'm gonna wait out the new Mac Pro replacement. See whats in store. These models are seriously anorexic when no one was asking for a desktop that is really a laptop.
 
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It's not just about the thinness thing, what I said was that an all-in-one should only have things that are vital to the majority. An all-in-one is not something you should cram with "good to have sometimes" stuff, that would be like forcing everyone who wants a car to buy an RV, because you never know, once a year you might need a vehicle with beds.

If this were an entry-level computer, I might agree with you.

If this were a configurable computer, where you could CHOOSE what you want or don't want, I would agree with you.

But this is not.

It is not below 1000$. It is not configurable. What you buy is what you have until it is obsolete or replaced, for the most part.

With a fleet of desktop external devices, each with a data cable, and some with another power cable needing another power strip spot... is NOT supposed to be the AIO idiom.

ALL-in-one. Not majority-in-one, or barely-anything-in-one, or Apples-way-or-the-highway-in-one.

Retina and Air Laptops have dispensed with things, with the tacit caveat being that your desktop system still has an optical drive that it shares on the local subnet, that the laptop can access. That a firewire storage drive can be shared on the network for the laptop to access, or more money for an adapter.

An ALL-in-one that requires more money for adapters, for external devices, defeats the premise of ALL-in-one, now doesn't it?

The desktop doesn't need to be thinner and lighter than the iMac already was. It isn't meant to be portable, it is meant to be versatile and compatible.

If Apple wants to go this direction with the iMac... they need to drop it's price, and quit pretending to make this a pro-grade machine, and actually step to the plate with a new Mac Pro.

Mac Pro could stand to spawn a second, thinner, smaller and lighter modest form factor, and not so much OVERKILL for a workstation desktop.

Something between MacMini and Mac Pro, and thunderbolt screens. yes, plural, as an option.

A thin computer for people who don't need much more, I get it. Some home users, data entry and data consumption, office work on a local network, customer service... seems fine, but overpriced.

But it needs to be less expensive for being less compatible, and less upgradeable, and less versatile.

Then Apple needs to fill the hole above the MacMini, including the Mac Pro, and not make attempts to cast the iMac as a machine for professionals who produce things and use versatility features with their desktop computer.

Something that doesn't take up an acre of space, and weigh 50lbs for a workstation, but yet with some versatility and upgradeability, with desktop modular components.

I would not specify such a limited laptop-hardware AIO as the new iMac for a workstation, and most workstations don't require a full Mac Pro tower, but Apple doesn't offer a desktop mini-tower with desktop componentry.

Plus, a good screen, or more than one... don't go obsolete as fast as computer tech should be upgraded for pro use, especially if you can allow a budget for high-end monitors that can last through 2 CPU useage cycles. The display tech doesn't get obsolete at the same rate as the internal CPU hardware does.

I said it before, and it bears repeating. This new iMac only underscores the huge hole in Apple's lineup for professional desktop users, by the lack of competitive desktop CPU units, both non-existent mini-towers and obsolete full-size towers.
 
For someone that is a huge film fan I buy blu-ray discs and nothing I have seen from apple in terms of itunes even comes close to matching that quality level through download or streaming services.

As am I; 109" front projection screen, 1080P Sanyo projector, Onkyo THX Ultra2, Paradigm 7.1 speaker set-up, in highschool while friends were saving up for cars I was saving up for Laser Disc player and Japanese imports and Criterion Collection discs.

Even on my 109" screen if freeze frame I can see minor artifacting difference between iTunes and Bluray, but in full motion it’s indistinguishable. I get the audio quality is uncompressed and minor freeze-frame difference still add up, which is why I still buy some films on Bluray. For most people it’s good enough and with next year’s release of h.265 streaming content should close, if not surpass the remaining quality gap at 1080p and be set to roll out 4K content faster and cheaper than Bluray.
 
weight loss

an explanation for the need to reduce weight.

8lb per unit, 1,000,000 units sold.

50c shipping per pound .5*8 =4 * 1m = 4,000,000
$5 store storage per unit per life (to simplify the equation) = 5,000,000
ODD $10 = 10,000,000
savings of material costs, manufacture etc... i cant even guess to put a price on.

so there you have it... why imacs are thinner and lighter. :)

Peace
 
Silly ass-umption on your part, no excuses.
Yes I use it all the time for my clients, sometimes I wish it wrote a tiny bit faster.

What is worse than your silly assumption (it is "silly", not just "petty", or "incorrect", or a "lapsus" but it is also ) is that we are talking about a desktop here.
I made no assumptions; I asked a question. Calm down.
 
It just might be too thin...

Have to look in person.

I would also think the heat is reduced almost eliminated?

:rolleyes:
 
They're cheap because nobody wants to buy them lol and the retailers are trying to get rid of the last few they had in stock for years.

I can't be bothered quoting everything you posted lol but I definitely find one hard drive containing all movies and music easier than hundreds of CDs and DVDs.

The ease of access of movies on a hard drive is nice and all, however nothi g is going to beat two dollar or less DVDs and five dollar blu-rays. More control higher quality as a fraction of the cost of over priced digital downloads.

1080P digital downloads of new movies would have to be five dollars for me to even think a out it based on their limitations and quality, and tht is basically overpriced rental costs. It will never happen, I am just in a very different place then the digital market currently is.
 
Sigh :rolleyes:

Where in my post did I say that my XT was ANY of those things? As far as we know at this point, the Fusion drive is a hybrid system which uses solid state components combined with traditional drive components and manages data between the two to optimize performance (with the help of the OS). The Momentus XT does that EXACT thing (without the help of the OS), albeit in different manners and of course, not as efficiently as the Fusion will.

So I stand by my original statement which was that Apple did not invent the hybrid drive, which is what people were starting to credit them with shortly after the announcement.

EDIT: Also, please read this reply of mine to another poster in this thread for further comprehension of what I originally stated: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/16107130/

Sigh. I'm sorry but you really don't know what Fusion is. It is NOT a hybrid system. You gave the example of the Momentus XT to say that this has already been done before just that Apple is doing it more efficiently. But the Momentus XT is a hybrid drive whereas Fusion is a software/OS solution. I'm not saying Apple invented hybrid drives because what Apple is doing doesn't even involve a hybrid drive at all. There are actually two completely separate physical drives. There is nothing special about the drives themselves. You can replace one and not the other.

Fusion involves how the two separate drives are partitioned and mapped and how the OS moves files and applications from one drive to another depending on usage.

You should read the article just posted by MacRumors explaining the difference:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1474268/
 
Old tech? I guess i would have to challenge you to find me another form of storage that comes in under $0.07 per GB. DVD's (and soon bluray discs) will long be a very valid form of cheap stable digital storage, they aren't yet outdated no matter what apple thinks.

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Old tech? I guess i would have to challenge you to find me another form of storage that comes in under $0.07 per GB. DVD's (and soon bluray discs) will long be a very valid form of cheap stable digital storage, they aren't yet outdated no matter what apple thinks.

you can have 2TB portable HDD,
 
I'm not sure why some of you are complaining about i7 being reduced to an option. i7 has always been an option. All of the default, non CTO configs are i5, tops. Besides, you only lose out on hyperthreading, which you don't need if you never do any video encoding or any other seriously threaded stuff. It's why 2500K/3570K has been so popular these past couple years with gamers: all the muscle you need and then some (via overclock), and you save that extra $100 towards a better graphics card or SSD.

If there's one thing though: the i7 option is an extra $200.
 
OMG!!! Have some cheese with your whine!

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