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Apple Announces Lighter, Thinner iMac Models with Fusion Drive
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I have a question or more an observation. If the new Imacs specifically the 27 come out in dec and historically the spring models are around the corner march/april wouldnt it make more sense to wait for rev 2 of the new model since its only 3 to 4 months away from dec? Ideally im focusing on the 27 model.
Because he has no clue what he's talking about. See his other posts for all the proof you need
I have always hated the all-in-one designs that stick a computer in the back of the display. This is no different. I'd much rather have ultrasleek display (eg. upcoming cinema display) with mac mini.
Or they could have build the computer inside the foot base, more akin the new lenovo A720 idea centre.
Anyway still keeping myself far away from the all-in-one apple design computers..
Or they could have build the computer inside the foot base, more akin the new lenovo A720 idea centre.
Anyway still keeping myself far away from the all-in-one apple design computers..
Well then let me put it this way: I'm glad I have a more international perspective on things, thanks to me living smack in the middle of europe.
It's your american side that got offended, right? Because your british side should know that irony is not a metal alloy
Well to be brutally honest, I do not know, I do not feel I would need to do this....
Maybe someone better suited could answer your question?
I like how your follow up still had a jab at Americans, your posts make you sound like a prick, just FYI
Because he has no clue what he's talking about. See his other posts for all the proof you need
and your puerile posts are your "gift" to humanity?
read the source code tard.
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you need to be more specific. what aspect? i'm not about to write a thesis on this fanboy forum.
compatibility
multi-platform
inter-operability w/3rd party libs
performance
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flac is tried, tested and proven. i've used it for years.
there's nothing better than 192kHz/24-bit wav audio file recorded with an Sound Devices 702 with an Earthworks microphone. i've recorded many.
search engines are your friend.
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ALAC is open source, it's included in the ffmpeg library, ALAC is also tried and proven from the fact that it's been used for years on the largest mp3 player, and on Apple's entire eco system. There are no other reasons than ideology to claim that you should use flac.
I announce irony. Then I use irony. And you still don't get it. Nevermind then.
I'm too lazy to do it, but someone should dig up an old discussion thread from back when Apple released that first iMac without a floppy drive. I'm sure it would read *exactly* like this one.
Everyone freaked out, external floppy drives were still available, and the colored iMac went on to be a massive success. A few years later, floppies were gone for all intents and purposes.
I'm not saying this iMac is as revolutionary as that first one (that was a game-changer in the consumer PC market) but I'm confident that in 5 years a computer with an optical drive will seem as antiquated as one with a floppy drive seemed 5 years after that iMac came out.
You're losing your built-in optical drive sooner or later. Get used to it.
Everyone freaked out, external floppy drives were still available, and the colored iMac went on to be a massive success. A few years later, floppies were gone for all intents and purposes.
I'm not saying this iMac is as revolutionary as that first one (that was a game-changer in the consumer PC market) but I'm confident that in 5 years a computer with an optical drive will seem as antiquated as one with a floppy drive seemed 5 years after that iMac came out.
You're losing your built-in optical drive sooner or later. Get used to it.
So you and others can use an external disc drive since the rest of us never use our internal drives. How hard is that?
Flash sucks. Even Adobe can admit it. Why can't you?
You forgot parallel printer port.
Lowest end 21" iMac in Brazil:
From USD 3000,00.
No deal... at this price, it only serves as the plastic surgeon's sexy desktop computer.
From USD 3000,00.
No deal... at this price, it only serves as the plastic surgeon's sexy desktop computer.
That price reflects Brazilian tariffs and taxes. It is meaningless to anybody else. Apple is not going to price its products according to Brazilian price points.
I'm in pretty much the same position, except my 2006 iMac is the 24" one. The graphics subsystem is slowly failing; it goes nuts when the internal temperature is above about 38 degrees. I have to use SMC Fan Control to speed up the fans when the weather is hot. Since I made it through the summer, replacing the system isn't urgent any more.
I've been waiting for the new models because I didn't want to buy the USB 2 and Sandy Bridge processors in the 2011 models.
I'll wait for some hands-on reviews and benchmarks, and visit the Apple store to see the new screens for myself. Based on what we know so far, I expect I'll buy the new 27" iMac a few weeks after it starts shipping.
I may be in the minority, but I was blown away by the new imacs.
The fusion drive (not a new idea by any stretch, but a welcome addition) promises to provide users with greatly improved HDD performance, with none of the hassle of managing separate drives.
The optical drive removal seems like a downside, but further reflection led to my realization that my current optical drive almost never sees use (few software installations on occasion). Apple optical drives are almost always complete **** and are a frequent source of failure for anyone that has owned a mac. Apple drives are also frequently behind the curve in terms of technology and an external drive allows you to cheaply upgrade as better things become available (blue-ray burners, etc.) When not using the drive, it can be removed and put away.
Beyond the Fusion drive and the removed optical drive, the iMac is clearly the desktop king. Intels fastest (mobile) hardware coupled to the brand-new GTX 680MX promises to make gaming actually viable on the improved 27" screen.
If you are gaming, the 27" is really the only way to go and the 21" is considerably less compelling when considering use in that way. For general computing (email, internet, etc.), current generation hardware is overkill and any of the options that Apple is offering would be great.
I'm pretty sure I know what my birthday present is going to be come February.
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I think this is an even safer play than the original imac. The truth is that almost everyone who bought an imac also turned around and bought a zip drive or imation superdrive as well. In 2012, the preferred removable storage is the thumb drive and aside from software installation, there isn't a lot of use for an optical drive.
The fusion drive (not a new idea by any stretch, but a welcome addition) promises to provide users with greatly improved HDD performance, with none of the hassle of managing separate drives.
The optical drive removal seems like a downside, but further reflection led to my realization that my current optical drive almost never sees use (few software installations on occasion). Apple optical drives are almost always complete **** and are a frequent source of failure for anyone that has owned a mac. Apple drives are also frequently behind the curve in terms of technology and an external drive allows you to cheaply upgrade as better things become available (blue-ray burners, etc.) When not using the drive, it can be removed and put away.
Beyond the Fusion drive and the removed optical drive, the iMac is clearly the desktop king. Intels fastest (mobile) hardware coupled to the brand-new GTX 680MX promises to make gaming actually viable on the improved 27" screen.
If you are gaming, the 27" is really the only way to go and the 21" is considerably less compelling when considering use in that way. For general computing (email, internet, etc.), current generation hardware is overkill and any of the options that Apple is offering would be great.
I'm pretty sure I know what my birthday present is going to be come February.
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I think this is an even safer play than the original imac. The truth is that almost everyone who bought an imac also turned around and bought a zip drive or imation superdrive as well. In 2012, the preferred removable storage is the thumb drive and aside from software installation, there isn't a lot of use for an optical drive.
Questionable...I write this from my 2009 Core 2 Quad (desktop, obviously) which still runs photoshop and the latest games (not on the greatest settings, but still). That processor, and the graphics card in it, are about 4-5 years old, and still run quite nicely.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, in response to the previous message (which I responded to), just because one has an old computer, doesn't mean they don't need the speed. That said, I will probably be migrating to the new iMac, given my disgust at Windows 8, and my gradual movement towards Mac-based computers as a result (my MBP will no longer be alone).
Dog years though, maybe not
And new MBPs still lock up in FCP X.
Gate's Law at work.
"The speed of software halves every 18 months."
That was the point of X instead of 8... clear out the cobwebs, right?
Hardware can be measured in dog years, but it's hard to tell (nothing really works faster) when software doesn't take advantage of it.
Not only tariffs and taxes. Basic iMac costs $1299 in USA. Adding around 72% (60% plus ICMS) from importing and local taxes, this turns into USD 2234,28. The exceeding USD 750,00 appears to be "the Brazil cost" which includes low scale, protection to exchange volatility and "whatever can harm Apple margins".
On the other side, consumer is much more protected in USA than Brazil - we don't have genius bars or good returning policies, e.g., a ghosting sign in a display which turns into delivering a brand new hardware or replacing part in USA. In Brazil, complaining about a defective unit is answered with a "sorry, but this is the normal functioning of the product".
The fair price of the low end iMac should be a maximum of $2300,00 here.
I agree ... the optical drive is a joke. I have not used one more than a few times a year - if that. Plus like you said Apple ODDs are crap anywyas. It is easier to just go buy a good external one.
Gaming on Macs has always been iffy with their cheap use of GPUs. Now with current stand alone GPUs they should be just fine. The 6 series Kepler line is a beast. The I5 CPUs are OK for 21" but would of liked to see the I7 in the 27" for all versions.
It just worries me with the heat issues in such a tight place, but I guess time will tell if they really are a problem or not ..
new imac
The more money apple is making the greedier they are becoming.
apple is just giving us less for more money.
no optical drive
lower speed hard drive
wanna kill the competition
more expensive
You cant upgrade the ram yourself so apple can rip you off
Even though I am an apple fan I really got to be out of my mind to spend $500 more in the so-called retina display( apple screens already look good without retina).
If they keep on giving us less in the name of thinness I am
considering going back to PC.
We are just blindly following apple in any way they want us to go.wake up people.
When a company become big, it just become so stupid. I think it is the beginning of the end for such a great company Steve Job left.
The more money apple is making the greedier they are becoming.
apple is just giving us less for more money.
no optical drive
lower speed hard drive
wanna kill the competition
more expensive
You cant upgrade the ram yourself so apple can rip you off
Even though I am an apple fan I really got to be out of my mind to spend $500 more in the so-called retina display( apple screens already look good without retina).
If they keep on giving us less in the name of thinness I am
considering going back to PC.
We are just blindly following apple in any way they want us to go.wake up people.
When a company become big, it just become so stupid. I think it is the beginning of the end for such a great company Steve Job left.
Well, while I tend to agree with you, I think premium PCs like high-end Lenovo Thinkpads or carbon-fiber Sony Vaios are as much expensive as Macbooks. The difference is that PC brands give us affordable options like cheap-plastic overheated units which break or become painfully obsolete within two years.
So you and others can use an external disc drive since the rest of us never use our internal drives. How hard is that?
Flash sucks. Even Adobe can admit it. Why can't you?
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You forgot parallel printer port.
It is great that you do not use a disc drive. Good for you..., I get that... so why is it so hard for you to get over the fact that other people think differently?
You forgot that others do not want an external drive cluttering the desktop.
I have never championed flash, however it is still an integral part of the mainstream internet experience and a device designed to use the internet that cannot use 100% of the internet is not a complete device.
You also appear to have forgotten that this is a forum....
Really... you must try harder...
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Why are people slating the iMac when know one has used or seen one?!
I have absolutely no idea how people can be slating apple for the new iMac when no one has actually seen or used one?!
Sure, have the debate about the optical drive - some people will miss it, some people won't. But the only reason the new machine is so thin at the SIDE is because they have removed it. And the fact it is so thin at the side will sell more machines - guaranteed.
I personally have used my ODD about 6 times in the last year. I run a web design company, and short of installing the odd piece of adobe software, I, personally very rarely use. My wife on the other hand, uses hers once a week as she's a wedding photographer, so we'll be spending an extra £65 on the USB SuperDrive.
The new machine ISN'T much thinner than the older machine really. At the side - yes, way thinner (which IMO makes it look pretty slick), but the main saving inside is largely due to the reduced panel/glass assembly and the removal of the ODD.
Apple aren't mugs, and with the experiences they have learnt from with the newer macbook pros the all of the older iMacs, I very much doubt this new machine will have heat issues. For all we know, the new machine (although from a volumetric side of things is smaller) may have more space internally or at least a better heat flow.
My point is, we use don't know!!
The only fail IMO is the lack of user upgradable ram in the 21.5" model and the 5400rpm drive.
Personally we only use 27" models in the office, so I'm very happy with how the new machines look visually and how they look spec-wise on paper.
And before anyone states that they don't care what it looks like or how thin the edges do, I do! I'm a designer and care about design, and I spent a huge amount of my day staring at my iMac!
So why shouldn't a look at something that looks pretty and slim!
Now lets all wait and see how these new machines perform...
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I agree with some of your points mark, but surely you can admit that flash is a severely dying technology?
Yes, there are many websites that rely on flash, but, they REALLY shouldn't be.
Adobe are ceasing to support flash - surely that tells you something?! Even Android has removed support for it!
I have absolutely no idea how people can be slating apple for the new iMac when no one has actually seen or used one?!
Sure, have the debate about the optical drive - some people will miss it, some people won't. But the only reason the new machine is so thin at the SIDE is because they have removed it. And the fact it is so thin at the side will sell more machines - guaranteed.
I personally have used my ODD about 6 times in the last year. I run a web design company, and short of installing the odd piece of adobe software, I, personally very rarely use. My wife on the other hand, uses hers once a week as she's a wedding photographer, so we'll be spending an extra £65 on the USB SuperDrive.
The new machine ISN'T much thinner than the older machine really. At the side - yes, way thinner (which IMO makes it look pretty slick), but the main saving inside is largely due to the reduced panel/glass assembly and the removal of the ODD.
Apple aren't mugs, and with the experiences they have learnt from with the newer macbook pros the all of the older iMacs, I very much doubt this new machine will have heat issues. For all we know, the new machine (although from a volumetric side of things is smaller) may have more space internally or at least a better heat flow.
My point is, we use don't know!!
The only fail IMO is the lack of user upgradable ram in the 21.5" model and the 5400rpm drive.
Personally we only use 27" models in the office, so I'm very happy with how the new machines look visually and how they look spec-wise on paper.
And before anyone states that they don't care what it looks like or how thin the edges do, I do! I'm a designer and care about design, and I spent a huge amount of my day staring at my iMac!
So why shouldn't a look at something that looks pretty and slim!
Now lets all wait and see how these new machines perform...
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It is great that you do not use a disc drive. Good for you..., I get that... so why is it so hard for you to get over the fact that other people think differently?
You forgot that others do not want an external drive cluttering the desktop.
I have never championed flash, however it is still an integral part of the mainstream internet experience and a device designed to use the internet that cannot use 100% of the internet is not a complete device.
You also appear to have forgotten that this is a forum....
Really... you must try harder...
I agree with some of your points mark, but surely you can admit that flash is a severely dying technology?
Yes, there are many websites that rely on flash, but, they REALLY shouldn't be.
Adobe are ceasing to support flash - surely that tells you something?! Even Android has removed support for it!
No love for flash itself just that it needs to run, what sites SHOULD do does not help the user view such content.