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I'm at a point where I could get the Air or a MBP to replace my early 2008 MBP.

Pricewise they're the same, but performance... hmm.

Look's like I'll be waiting on the early '11 MBP revisions
 

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Here's an interesting question - how are you going to install Mac OS X Lion on this thing without a USB Superdrive? Does AirDisc (or whatever you call it) work?



It will do 1080p without a sweat. If you use HTML5, it'll be even better.
These new Airs come with all the reinstall (and iLife) on apple branded USB drives, I fully expect Apple to at least offer those for Lion, if not use them exclusively for Lion.
 
Mac Book Air= still ugly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA

These new Airs come with all the reinstall (and iLife) on apple branded USB drives, I fully expect Apple to at least offer those for Lion, if not use them exclusively for Lion.

Ooo, an interesting idea. But Flash Drives still cost more than DVDs. I don't know if Apple is willing to do that when shipping Operating Systems. Maybe they'll offer them exclusively for MBA owners?
 
Here's an interesting question - how are you going to install Mac OS X Lion on this thing without a USB Superdrive? Does AirDisc (or whatever you call it) work?



It will do 1080p without a sweat. If you use HTML5, it'll be even better.

They could sell a USB key just like the one they have now.
 
I'm so liking that restore USB drive thing. I want one of those for my iMac or just to put on my keyring
 
11" 128 GB mem & 4 GB RAM
1.6 Ghz and 5 hour battery
= $1,399

13" 128 GB mem & 4 GB RAM
1.86 Ghz and 7 hour battery (and SD slot)
= $1,399

Oh jeez Steve, don't make me decide....

if need to commonly do 6 hours of work each day then it is a no brainer.
Throw in the extra weight of a power cord to the system have to haul around and the weight gap is more than blown away.

If need to commonly do more and need to carry power cord anyway then 11.6 if weight means alot to you.

Note also that even though close in GHz that the smaller is 1/2 the L3 cache and 25% reduction in memory speed. You are tossing away more than just a couple of MHz. If regularly tax the CPU performance the smaller will crumble much more easily.
 
It's all nice and all but...

...the pricing in UK as always disappointing.
Last minute $->£ exchange rate $999=£630
11inch basic config is £849 on UK Apple store
that is £219 more than in States - a huge price difference...
 
In order to fit everything into this type of form factor and not compromise on graphics performance, it was best to stick with Core 2 Duo. yes, they could have gone with the i3 + discrete GPU, but then it would be much thicker.

Probably agree with you for the air - I was just debating the assertions by several posters that the C2D is faster than the i3 when it's not (whether it is the right processor for the MBA is another question).
The C2D in the Air is 2 - 3 times as fast as the Atoms in Netbooks (plus you have the NVidia Graphics) so it's going to be plenty fast enough for its target market

...the pricing in UK as always disappointing.
Last minute $->£ exchange rate $999=£630
11inch basic config is £849 on UK Apple store
that is £219 more than in States - a huge price difference...

Don't forget the US prices don't include sales tax whereas the UK prices include 17.5% VAT. It still makes it about £100 more expensive over here but it's not as huge as it first appears
 
They could sell a USB key just like the one they have now.

Yeah, I think if they do this, it will be exclusive for MBA owners. DVDs are still far cheaper for mass production.

Download it from the App store and then some kind of two part installation I expect.

This also sounds like a good idea. You can load the OS onto the Flash Drive after you download it from the App Store for restore.
 
Also, as Jobs kept saying, this is the future of laptops. Because they now have to compete with things like iPhones and iPads, they have to be 'more portable'. Hand in hand with that, they have to be 'more convenient' ('instant on'). That means, for one thing, flash drives are mandatory. The App Store for OSX also helps satisfy the strong desire for convenience.

I have a 17" unibody MBP. It has become, as I knew it would, my 'desktop' computer. In the context of current portable devices - iPhones, iPads, netbooks, etc. - it's a bit absurd to think of a laptop as 'portable' for anything beyond room to room.

I think this trend will kind of cannibalize the market for iMacs, though. if your Air, iPhone or iPod is your portable and your 'laptop' is your desktop, what will happen to iMacs?

Alternatively, it could cannibalize the market for MBPs. If your 17" MBP is going to stay in one place, then why not get an iMac instead? You get a lot more for your money, because you're not paying for miniaturization. One of my best friends is a graphics professional, and he says he'll never buy another laptop computer again. He has a 27" iMac for his heavy-duty work, an iPad for portability, and an iPhone the things an iPhone does. Although I use my Mac for hobbies rather than professional work, that probably will be my next combination, too. I like my 15" MBP because it does everything I need, and I can still take it from room to room or (very occasionally) out of the house, but an iPad would meet all of my portability wants and needs, and the 27" iMac would be great for my music and photography projects. Obviously, though, people's needs differ, and it will be interesting to see where the market goes over the next few years.
 
Hyperthreading matters in what I want to do. I'm already at 2.2 GHz on a Core 2. I'm not taking a beating backwards, again. I'll see you on Sandy Bridge so you can shovel more Core 2 is faster in my direction.

Apple doomed itself by teaming up with nVidia.

I think it is just matter of time (once sandy bridge available and Intel IGP's performance is in acceptable level) .

This is still a revision A product, Let us see what Revision B brings.

I just compared this with my Black Book I bought it in 2006 (2.0GHz, 1GB and 80 GB HDD and GMA 950 Graphics - $1499) to current

13.3" MBA
2GB RAM
1.86 Ghz Dual Core
128GB Flash Memory
nVidia 320M

give it a time, once component prices starts to come down you will see more buck out of MBA.

$1299 model is rock solid in my opinion (may be it is missing 4GB RAM).

hey there is always refurbished MBA ;)
 
Heat issues???

Anyone have any guesses as to how hot these new MacBook Airs will run? My 13" MacBook Pro absolutely burns my legs in hot weather.

What's to heat up in this new air - I guess the GPU and the CPU - no hard drive heat. I 'll be interested to see the iFixit tear down to see if there is a fan inside. I didn't notice one on Steve's pictures today.

Question of current MBA users - is there a fan in the old model(s)?

M.
 
Might be my next Mac

i just priced the Air with 4 Gb of Ram and it just might me my next Mac some time next year. I find that I really don's use the screen unless I am traveling otherwise I am connected to my large Apple monitor at my desk.

Cool.
 
So are they in stores today?

Not yet.

I was at the flagship Apple store in Dallas 1/2 an hour after the mini-keynote ended and was informed by an Apple rep, as he was stocking iLife '11, that the new Airs would be in stock "within a few days."
 
I think it is just matter of time (once sandy bridge available and Intel IGP's performance is in acceptable level) .

This is still a revision A product, Let us see what Revision B brings.

I just compared this with my Black Book I bought it in 2006 (2.0GHz, 1GB and 80 GB HDD and GMA 950 Graphics - $1499) to current

13.3" MBA
2GB RAM
1.86 Ghz Dual Core
128GB Flash Memory
nVidia 320M

give it a time, once component prices starts to come down you will see more buck out of MBA.

$1299 model is rock solid in my opinion (may be it is missing 4GB RAM).

hey there is always refurbished MBA ;)
It just means another year with Apple unable to make a suitable replacement for my Macbook. No wonder people keep these things for such a long time. There isn't any motivation to buy a new one.
 
Probably agree with you for the air - I was just debating the assertions by several posters that the C2D is faster than the i3 when it's not (whether it is the right processor for the MBA is another question).
The C2D in the Air is 2 - 3 times as fast as the Atoms in Netbooks (plus you have the NVidia Graphics) so it's going to be plenty fast enough for its target market

I think what people really mean is that the performance difference would be negligible if they were to go with the i3 considering the severe graphics trade off. Yes, the i3 is faster in benchmarks, but in real life? Probably about the same. I'm not going to go into it much since it's been largely discussed when the 2010 13" MBP came out, but I think Apple made the right choice.
 
Don't forget the US prices don't include sales tax whereas the UK prices include 17.5% VAT. It still makes it about £100 more expensive over here but it's not as huge as it first appears

I agree Phil A. - still looks bad when you look at just the price comparison US vs UK Store...eh...


At the same time, just for the media consuming the 11in is a killer machine.
 
if need to commonly do 6 hours of work each day then it is a no brainer.
Throw in the extra weight of a power cord to the system have to haul around and the weight gap is more than blown away.

If need to commonly do more and need to carry power cord anyway then 11.6 if weight means alot to you.

Note also that even though close in GHz that the smaller is 1/2 the L3 cache and 25% reduction in memory speed. You are tossing away more than just a couple of MHz. If regularly tax the CPU performance the smaller will crumble much more easily.

i suspect the two CPUs are not the same (the ones in 11" and others in 13")

we have to see it for sure when iFixit tear them down!!!
 

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I think it is just matter of time (once sandy bridge available and Intel IGP's performance is in acceptable level) .

Anandtech's early impressions show promise for Sandy Bridge IGP. Still, it will be a step-back from nVidia discrete no matter what. A single chip to cool on the motherboard has to be pretty attractive for Apple though.
 
These new Airs come with all the reinstall (and iLife) on apple branded USB drives, I fully expect Apple to at least offer those for Lion, if not use them exclusively for Lion.

If so Lion will probably jump back up to the $129 price range. But yes, either read-only SD cards or USB fobs is where they are going. Right now though that's an extra $10-15 or so than a DVD solution. They can bury that into the $129 price though. (volume of Lion will be higher than Leopard so shouldn't hurt margins much) Or just bump it up to $149 and keep margins even larger. Still cheaper than retail copy of Windows.

An 8GB drive is like $20. It will be even cheaper a year from now. They just have to cap the capacity of the drive to drive down the costs over time.
 
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