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But Apple didn't replace the four-port option today with an ARM version. So what is the point of comparing the two-port version with the four-port version. If the two-port version had four ports it wouldn't be the two-port version anymore.
Thank you! It's like people want to just read what they feel. It's the damn base model that got upgraded. The 4 port is still available and still running intel.
 
It doesn’t matter how optimised it is - if you’re working with massive assets then you need memory, and lots of it. 16GB (or even 8) will be fine for most people, but it will be limiting for a lot
1. "Limiting for a lot" is probably overstating it by a lot. I'd say for a small percentage of buyers.

2. As someone who wants max performance in the smallest package possible, the 13" MBP has never really been pro: I have the maxed 2017 13" MBP which is 2 core i7, the 15" had 4 cores; the 2020 maxed 13" MBP has 4 cores but the 16" MBP has 8. So I've learned to choose portability over power; others will go the other way.

The REAL Pro machine you want is the Apple Silicon 16" MBP. My prediction? M2X with 16 cores, 12 performance cores, 4 efficiency.
 
256GB SSD base config and max 16Gb unified RAM , Apple is still Apple . I guess the 256 Gb SSD is what I am most disappointed with. Oh well , back to reality ...
I personally choose at least 1TB, but:

1) big local storage is becoming less relevant these days with cloud storage;

2) I recently shopped PC laptops for my father, Best Buy didn't even stock anything with more than 256GB. Had to special order, so I just bought something from dell.com.
 
Thanks - someone else mentioned this after I posted and I didn't realise that model existed after the 2020 Intel refresh - the ones I seen in store had x4 TB ports... I'd say the same for the Intel version too but I get that this versions essentially replaces that one. Either way, I don't think it's enough IO to warrant the Pro moniker.

Yes - clearly there was initial confusion that this wasn't the "end-all be-all" 13" MBP, but was really just replacing the base 13" MBP. Frankly, the Apple event presentation was not clear in that.

And personally, I agree that for many, this replacement ASi "Base" 13" MBP might not be worth of the "Pro" moniker, but for what it's worth, a lot of people said the same thing in the last Intel refresh, that the 10th gen 13" MBP (with 4TB ports) was really the real "Pro", and the 8th gen 13" MBP (with 2 TB ports) was more an in-between where they're trying to get more of the traditional MBA market to "upgrade" to the base 13" MBP as an entry way into the "MacBook Pro" world.
 
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Yes - clearly there was initial confusion that this wasn't the "end-all be-all" 13" MBP, but was really just replacing the base 13" MBP. Frankly, the Apple event presentation was not clear in that.

And personally, I agree that for many, this replacement ASi "Base" 13" MBP might not be worth of the "Pro" moniker, but for what it's worth, a lot of people said the same thing in the last Intel refresh, that the 10th gen 13" MBP (with 4TB ports) was really the real "Pro", and the 8th gen 13" MBP (with 2 TB ports) was more an in-between where they're trying to get more of the traditional MBA market to "upgrade" to the base 13" MBP as an entry way into the "MacBook Pro" world.
I totally agree. That base 13" pro was never really meant for too much heavy lifting. It was just something to sandwich between the air and 4 port pro. Seems they've kept that model.
 
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I totally agree. That base 13" pro was never really meant for too much heavy lifting. It was just something to sandwich between the air and 4 port pro. Seems they've kept that model.
It seems like an odd choice for a company that likes to have limited product lines, so I expect it will go away once the Pro line is redesigned.
 
"Hey guys, we're switching to our own chips, they're sooo much faster! To prove it, here's some base models with vague benchmarks and no demos."

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Won't have to wait long for GeekBench results. Also, there are leaked benchmarks of an A14X with single core a LOT faster and multicore a little faster than the 8-core i9 MBP.
 
Except we don't know what keyboard design Apple is using. It was rumored the MBA would revert to the MB keyboard. I am content to wait for teardowns.
They specify both MBA and MBP have backlit scissor-style, not butterfly keys. I'm not a fan of the butterfly in my 2017 13" MBP; very clickety-clack, though it has been reliable for me. And I type a lot.
 
Same design, same screen, same (terrible) webcam...
A lot of complaints about the 720p webcam... you guys are VERY confident in your looks, eh?!? I'm good with 720p; it's kinder on the wrinkles. ;) I just want better low light performance, which EVERY indoor setting requires.
 
I told someone to cry somewhere else about there still being bezels on these new models and I got reported and the macrumors team decided to remove it and tell me they appreciate my cooperation. Wow. Gotta love the silencing.
I agree the bezel isn't THAT big a deal... but what this world needs right now is a LOT of politeness and agreeing to disagree. (IOW, the more respect we give, the more we're likely to get.)
 
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up to 16 GB? WTF? Even iPhones have merely more than that...
The iPhone 12 Pro and iPhone 12 Pro Max models have 6GB of RAM; the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini have 4GB of RAM. Don't confuse RAM with storage.
 
Chill man, people who are complaining about Apple's lack of transparency are right to call them out, this is 2020 and Apple can include actual benchmarks instead of making assertions about performance. I think astute observers can be certain of many things from Apple's presentation and their pathetic metrics, these chips will not outperform top AMD or even Intel processors, they will likely outperform at the same power levels but how much remains to be seen, note they didn't even bother to benchmark against their own previous machines these are replacing.
Chill yourself, man. Apple never gives out any benchmarks in their marketing announcements, but they pop up when users get their hands on the machines. We already have a MR article about M1 MacBook Air benchmarks.

The general public doesn't care about benchmarks to make their purchase decisions. If you care, then wait until they are published. Simple. Dramatically simple.

these chips will not outperform top AMD or even Intel processors

What does this even mean? What specifically are you claiming? You complain about a lack of transparency by Apple, then you make the mother of vague predictions here. More importantly, why exactly should anyone care if the lower-performance M1 Mac models are slower than the top processors from competitors? It's a spectacularly silly comparison!

they didn't even bother to benchmark against their own previous machines these are replacing

Haven't you been paying attention? They never do! It's not a detail they choose to present in their product announcements. Anyone who cares knows to wait until product starts trickling into user/reviewer hands.

Why exactly are you complaining about this?
 
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Apple today introduced a new 13-inch MacBook Pro, its third announced Mac powered by the company's custom M1 Apple Silicon chip with integrated graphics processor.

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The first Apple Silicon 13-inch MacBook Pro replaces the low-end 13-inch Intel model, but Apple's M1 chip boasts a more powerful 8-Core CPU and an 8-Core GPU featuring a 16-core Neural Engine, which when paired with the MacBook Pro’s active cooling system, is up to 2.8x faster than the previous generation, according to Apple, making it up to 3x faster than the best-selling Windows laptop in its class.

Machine Learning is up to 11x faster, and for on-device Machine Learning tasks that use the Neural Engine, the new 13-inch MacBook Pro is now the world's fastest compact pro notebook, says Apple. It also features up to 17 hours of wireless web browsing and up to 20 hours of video playback, which is up to twice the battery life of the previous generation, making it the longest battery life ever on a Mac.
Other new features in the new 13-inch MacBook Pro include 802.11ax Wi-Fi 6 and studio-quality mics, while Apple’s latest camera ISP in the M1 chip enables sharper images and more detail in shadows and highlights on video calls. The new MacBook Pro also includes Apple's Secure Enclave in the M1 and Touch ID, and features two Thunderbolt ports with USB 4 support. The laptop weighs 3-pounds and features a Magic Keyboard and a Retina display.

Starting at $1299, the base configuration comes with 8GB of unified memory configurable up to 16GB, and 256GB of solid state storage configurable up to 512GB, 1TB, or 2TB. Starting at $1499, the mid-tier model also comes with 8GB of unified memory configurable up to 16GB, but has 512GB of solid state storage as standard, configurable up to 1TB or 2TB. Pre-orders are now open on Apple's online store, with deliveries scheduled to begin November 17.


Article Link: Apple Announces New 13-inch MacBook Pro With M1 Chip, Starting at $1,299

Nice, but I still think Intel is much faster than this chip.. the reports are coming in stating that the so called Apple Silicon is very underpowered compared to a similar Intel based machine. The new processor in this macbook pro is equal or better in a mobile device, such as iphone.
 
Nice, but I still think Intel is much faster than this chip.. the reports are coming in stating that the so called Apple Silicon is very underpowered compared to a similar Intel based machine. The new processor in this macbook pro is equal or better in a mobile device, such as iphone.
Ummm... based on what? Any references anywhere?

Have you noticed the raft of reports noting that the M1 MBP is beating the pants off of the 16" Intel MBP, like this one:

Earlier today, an independent analysis from AnandTech argued that the M1 chip in fact has the potential to be the fastest laptop CPUon the market, and the new benchmark results seem to prove this. The new MacBook Air with M1 chip scored 1687 in single-core and 7433 in multi-core tests.

For comparison, the higher-end 16-inch MacBook Pro model with an Intel Core i9 processor scores 1096 single-core and 6870 multi-core. The fact that the M1 chip in a MacBook Air was able to perform better than an Intel Core i9 processor in both single-core and multi-core seems extremely promising.

Intel much faster my ass.
 
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