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I won't ever come near a laptop without 32GB RAM, but this is a step in a good direction. 2-3 generations from now these will be able to replace the current Intel machines.

Agreed. It's a good start, will be interested to see what they do with the rest of the lineup in the next couple of years (iMac/larger MBPs/Mac Pro)

But damn, was hoping for a bit something more radical I guess. Higher quality screens, better web cam (especially now), etc.
 
unified memory, no need for more for this type of macs
yes it is unified memory but to say there is no need for more RAM for these type of Macs is a wild assumption, not fact. If you really look carefully at Apple's website, the ASi Mac mini and 13" MPB essentially replace the entry-level models in their respective lineups. The higher-end 13" MBP and Mac mini models are still being sold with Intel processors and significantly more RAM. I'm willing to bet that the ASi SoC designed for these higher-end models is not ready, and once it is, these Mac models will be updated, with ASi and increased RAM options.
 
I thought Jobs said, "Apple doesn't ship junk". In 2020, a laptop with 8GB RAM and 256GB storage is considered shipping junk AFAIK. To offer a usable laptop with 16GB RAM and 512GB storage would cost them less than $100 more, but it would cost the consumer $400 more. Enough about the BS about going green, when they know they're deliberately selling laptops which won't be usable in a year.
If iPads and iPhones are usable for 3 to 5 years, WTF won't these ASi Mac laptops be usable within a year?
 
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The "magical" property might be that the M1 throttles without a fan no more than an Intel i5 has to throttle with a small MBA-sized fan. We will see when the benchmarks (both peak and sustained loads) eventually come out.
Yep, plus Intel MBA deliberately designed without a heat pipe to make its performance look worse in comparison with upcoming AS MBA. Unfortunately comparisons of peak load will be meaningless.
 
this is the first time im gonna say it, and i'll say it strong: this is not a pro device. they took the exact same chip showed off for a macbook air and a mac mini, slapped pro on it and then somehow claimed this sucker is going to perform way better, and called it "pro"

not even like an M2 or M1X, it's the same processor. no mention of it being higher clock speed, higher ram, better gpu, etc in the base config at this higher price.
In other words, you have absolutely no idea about the specifics of how this computer will perform differently, but you're certain that the [unknown] performance should be criticized.

And you "said it strong". Does that make your unfounded conclusion better? Nope.

Wait until people actually run the #!$$ computers and see what the differences are. Then you can criticize. Or maybe you'll just give us an Emily Litella "Never mind".
 
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I use my Macs to do boring work stuff too, and that means being able to run Microsoft Office products reliably and fast. And Nord VPN. Until I know that the Apple silicon machines can do this I'm sticking with my old 2015 MB Pro.

Smart choice.
 
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If you evenly spec out the machines to 1TB and 16g ram the price is almost the same!

I was going to grab an air just to hold me over until the 16 comes out but there is no point when the price difference is less than 100 bucks. 13 it is.
 
this is the first time im gonna say it, and i'll say it strong: this is not a pro device. they took the exact same chip showed off for a macbook air and a mac mini, slapped pro on it and then somehow claimed this sucker is going to perform way better, and called it "pro"

not even like an M2 or M1X, it's the same processor. no mention of it being higher clock speed, higher ram, better gpu, etc in the base config at this higher price.
Dude, I'm gonna respond strong: You don't know what you're talking about. They have different processors. Read the specs. The Air has a 7-core processor and the Pro has an 8-core processor, among many other differences.

Try to keep up.
 
All is well and fine, but it doesn't answer the most important questions :

Even if the app somehow installs, how is one supposed to play Cookie Run Ovenbreak on a device with no touchscreen? 😉

Likewise, what about Roblox? What about any game/app that really needs a touchscreen? There's a baker's dozen of them.

Initial question is kind of silly but, as said in another thread : while the new platform will bring the possibility to run IOS apps on the Mac, there's zero hint about how usable the apps will be.
 
Less ports? Easily the worst decision today, that would've been one of the few things to entice people to choose a Pro over an Air would've been the 4 ports. Foolish as I see it. This could work out like the 15" MacBook Pro and FW800 though, it could go back up to 4 next revision.
Not less ports, it replaced the entry Pro which only had 2 ports.
 
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Yeah... but compared to which model of machine? Logic Pro is 3x faster than which Intel chip model?
It was tested against a production 1.7GHz quad-core Intel Core i7–based 13-inch MacBook Pro system, all configured with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD.
 
The 2-port Intel 13” MBP also only had two TB ports.
Thanks - someone else mentioned this after I posted and I didn't realise that model existed after the 2020 Intel refresh - the ones I seen in store had x4 TB ports... I'd say the same for the Intel version too but I get that this versions essentially replaces that one. Either way, I don't think it's enough IO to warrant the Pro moniker.
 
In other words, you have absolutely no idea about the specifics of how this computer will perform differently, but you're certain that the [unknown] performance should be criticized.

And you "said it strong". Does that make your unfounded conclusion better? Nope.

Wait until people actually run the #!$$ computers and see what the differences are. Then you can criticize. Or maybe you'll just give us an Emily Litella "Never mind".
Chill man, people who are complaining about Apple's lack of transparency are right to call them out, this is 2020 and Apple can include actual benchmarks instead of making assertions about performance. I think astute observers can be certain of many things from Apple's presentation and their pathetic metrics, these chips will not outperform top AMD or even Intel processors, they will likely outperform at the same power levels but how much remains to be seen, note they didn't even bother to benchmark against their own previous machines these are replacing.
 
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Don't overlook the words "up to" in the presentation....

up to 3x faster...
up to 4x faster...
up to 10x more...

It is great marketing speak for cherry picked results and best case scenarios.
Yeah well... in today's world that doesn't work because soon all the media outlets, forum members, and youtubers will test that claim. It will damage them PR wise if they exaggerated too much.
 
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With only 2 Thunderbolt ports, on one side, will it be able to power 3 monitors?
I have the MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) which has 4 ports. I can power 4 monitors. 2 monitors using a single port on each side.

These are not 4k monitors.
Anyone know this answer yet?

Edit: nvm, it says on the tech specs now
 
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Reading these comments it seems most people didn't bother to scroll down. This new pro replaces the base model. The base pro always had two ports and was always capped at 16gb. They didn't remove ports, they just updated the base model. The 4 port 13" pros are still available and will most likely be updated to apple silicon (and hopefully be 14") next year around the second quarter.

Seriously people
 
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