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Apple is selling the 6s in a 5s case, for $250 less. Even upgrading the storage to 64GB, the SE still costs $150 less than a 6s with virtually equivalent specs, with better battery life, in a format people want. In fact, if I were in the market for 4.7", or 5.5" screen, I would be very upset that a 64GB iPhone 6s cost $350 more, just for a .7" larger screen, I'd be pretty upset.



HD is irrelevant on a screen that small. It's a retina display which means even if it were displaying 1080p, you'd never get the benefit. Just like any other device, it dithers down to the available screen space. It will look better than on a true 1080p TV.

Not really. You cannot get the content on YouTube or Netflix. A 720p display exists on a 4.7" or even smaller for many reasons. Idk about PPI being high with a "retina display." Being able to access 720p HD content is a must on a phone. Hell, we are at a point where 4k is on phones like the Xperia Z5. Can't have Apple get a pass for it because the PPI is high.
 
Apple is selling the 6s in a 5s case, for $250 less. Even upgrading the storage to 64GB, the SE still costs $150 less than a 6s with virtually equivalent specs, with better battery life, in a format people want. In fact, if I were in the market for 4.7", or 5.5" screen, I would be very upset that a 64GB iPhone 6s cost $350 more, just for a .7" larger screen, I'd be pretty upset.



HD is irrelevant on a screen that small. It's a retina display which means even if it were displaying 1080p, you'd never get the benefit. Just like any other device, it dithers down to the available screen space. It will look better than on a true 1080p TV.

Granted it's a niche market, but VR is up and coming. I won't pretend it will matter to the majority of consumers because it probably won't. But it is a selling point for a higher res display. Personally $399 seems like a lot to me with those specs, especially when you can get something like a Moto X or a Nexus for cheaper brand new. It's like you are paying to have a smaller phone, and not much else.
 
Granted it's a niche market. Personally $399 seems like a lot to me with those specs, especially when you can get something like a Moto X or a Nexus for cheaper brand new. It's like you are paying to have a smaller phone, and not much else.

~30% of the current buyers are not a niche market! That is the market size of the people who bought the iPhone 5s over two years! Now, that size is upto specs.

If you are looking at specs and comparing them with MotoX or Nexus, what are you doing in this forum, saying the things you say?

It is not a smaller phone, it is a phone size that people are used to using, that Apple denied them for two years! It is a convenient size for about 50% of the population who do not have NBA sized hand-span!

This is an instance where size should not be an issue, just performance!
 
It seems many posters from other countries don't understand that the US Pricing provided by Apple is BEFORE TAXES. The actual TOTAL price would be higher, but would differ from state to state -- because each state has different LOCAL Sales Taxes.



Some states don't have local SALES tax at all -- the Apple.com price will be the same as the total sale price. Some people in MA who live near New Hampshire (NH) will go to NH because the state does not impose any STATE sale tax. If I am not mistaken, Nevada also does not have a STATE sales tax. So, tourist to the Casinos may take the opportunity to buy stuff when in Las Vegas.



Some cities or counties will the standard State Tax that average from 5-10% of the price, while some cities or counties may charge additional city or county taxes, but the total seldom exceed 10-15%.



In Boston, MA, there is no SALES tax for certain necessities (e.g., clothing, food??, etc.) up to US$200??? per purchase and MA even has a Tax free holiday each year. The STATE sales tax for other items was 5% but this was increased slowly during the past few decades to 6.25-6.5% -- much, much lower than the VAT taxes and other taxes in many other countries, especially in Europe and Canada***. For this reason, many visitors in Boston from other countries visit the Apple Boylston Store in Boston to buy Apple products.





My sister, who lives in the UK wants me to buy her iPhone here, but the freight cost plus insurance would cost more than what would be saved in VAT taxes charged in the UK. Also, they still offer two-year subsidized phone contracts where she lives. I was surprised that what the TELCO offers her for the entire two (2) years would be LOWER than what it would cost me for the same period with AT&T.



There is also the case that many countries in Europe and other parts of the world have been more economically unstable compared to the (present) US economy, so that the US dollar to Euro (or other currencies) has been fluctuating like crazy — even the insurance taken by Apple was not enough to cover its exposure to currency fluctuations from all over the world. [Note that there were times in the past that the situation was reversed.]



As far as the EXTRA (higher) taxes, you may be paying in Stockholm (and many places in Europe), consider the social benefits you are getting as a people and country — guarantee for a better education (and tuition fee subsidies still in some European countries), heath care, government funds that may be tapped for projects that benefit the society as a whole — waste reduction, pollution control, investment to control climate change, help when out of job for one reason or another, etc.



Here in the US, even those in the Middle Class are afraid they might get sick in the family because their insurance may not cover long term care and other hospital costs. If a person loses a job in the US, especially those with a family or mortgage to pay, the short term disruption may lead to financial disaster that could lead to homelessness, suicide, and sometimes desperation that led to more tragic fate for the entire family.



So, yeah, many people still come to the US, for many reasons, including the opportunities that each individual may be able to do to improve one’s life. Also, we have lower taxes than many Western countries. On the other side of the equation consider the pittance in terms of safety nets that could help those in need; and these safety nets are gets eroded more each year. This erosion in “societal safety nets” is based on the principle by some of those in control of our governments at the local and federal level that those who rely on societal support are lazy or don’t work enough to better their lives.



So, do not protest so much





CGC





***During my first visit in Montreal, Canada (not knowing about all the VAT and other local taxes), I thought I saw a bargain shirt (much lower than the bargains in Boston), but after the local (city and provincial taxes) were added, it cost more than what it would cost in Boston. I like the shirt, so the shop owner and I compromised (he lowered the sale price so that the total taxes would be lower), the shirt I wanted (but still cost higher than what it would cost in Boston).

..and as you can see I quoted both prices BEFORE taxes..
They charge $64 extra before VAT, with VAT the total comes to $680..
 
It is a convenient size for about 50% of the population who do not have NBA sized hand-span!

I always LOL when people exaggerate the size of the iPhone to the extreme.

"The iPhone 6S is too big! I want a phone, not 97in flat screen on my face!" Lol
[doublepost=1458691590][/doublepost]Cool that Apple has a smaller phone for people who want smaller phones. Personally, I won't get this. A phone, that size? In 2016? Hell no. Besides I could never go back to a phone that size. Just way too small to enjoy. But whatev, SE people....enjoy yalls new phone. Hopefully Apple will keep updating the SE line yearly but I won't be surprised if they don't
 
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So when can I order the SE on Apples website, Wed at midnight Pacific time = 3 a.m. Eastern?
 
This thing seriously is only $50 for a 2 year contract for 64 gigs?!?

Where did you see that? I'm seriously tempted to replace my 4s with this, and I was ready to go for a 5s yesterday morning because it was only $49. I hate spending that much but my 4s is really slowing down these days.

I've tried the 6 and it's just too big for me. So glad they came out with this, I've always loved the size of the 5s.
 
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Where did you see that? I'm seriously tempted to replace my 4s with this, and I was ready to go for a 5s yesterday morning because it was only $49. I hate spending that much but my 4s is really slowing down these days.

I've tried the 6 and it's just too big for me. So glad they came out with this, I've always loved the size of the 5s.

its on the apple site when you go to buy it
 
How much of a resale market is there going to be the 5S? Probably mad cheap? Did Apple drop the prices? I wonder if people will price gauge the iPhone SE?
 
How much of a resale market is there going to be the 5S? Probably mad cheap? Did Apple drop the prices? I wonder if people will price gauge the iPhone SE?

I was lucky and sold my iPhone 5S 16GB on Sunday just before they announced the SE for $400 Can. Now I have to decide if I want to buy the new SE or 4.7" 6S or switch it up and try an android phone. I was all set for the SE but kind of bummed it doesn't have advanced LTE or MIMO WiFi. I am also going to sell my original iPad Air and upgrade to a new tablet. Was thinking either the 9.7" Pro or Air 2 or if I get an android phone will probably get a android tablet as well. But I am really worried about what I hear about touch wiz. Decisions decision.
 
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Not really. You cannot get the content on YouTube or Netflix. A 720p display exists on a 4.7" or even smaller for many reasons. Idk about PPI being high with a "retina display." Being able to access 720p HD content is a must on a phone. Hell, we are at a point where 4k is on phones like the Xperia Z5. Can't have Apple get a pass for it because the PPI is high.

I'm not following at all. I play Netflix and YouTube 720p and 1080p content on my iPhone 5s all the time and it scales beautifully to fit the screen. What exactly is the issue with not having exact pixel mapping?
 
its on the apple site when you go to buy it

Thanks! I was at the Apple store today and he mentioned it but we didn't see it. Verizon was useless yesterday :(

<edit> - actually I did see that yesterday but I can't click on it. So is that the $50 upgrade deal through Apple where you can roll into new ones as time goes on?

For some reason it wouldn't allow me to log into Verizon's site through the Apple Store. I am more than eligible for an upgrade, with a 4s purchased 11/2011
 
I was lucky and Sold my iPhone 5S on Sunday just before they announced the SE for $400 Can. Now I have to decide if I want to buy the new SE or 4.7" 6S or switch it up and try an android phone. I was all set for the SE but kind of bummed it doesn't have advanced LTE or MIMO WiFi. I am also going to sell my original iPad Air and upgrade to a new tablet. Was thinking either the 9.7" Pro or Air 2 or if I get an android phone will probably get a android tablet as well. But I am really worried about what I hear about touch wiz. Decisions decision.

Wow you sold a 5s for $400. Most people can't get that for a 6s 16gb. I'm currently selling my 6 128gb Verizon and the best offers have been $400.
 
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The iPhone 5s should have had an A9 processor in 2013? Apple would have needed a Time Machine for that.

A7/M7 processor was in '13! A9/M9 in 2015, also now ('16) in the corrected iPhone SE (4" screen)

The iPhone SE: Almost all of the iPhone 6s in the great body of 5s! The 6 and 6s are Samsung/Android bodies for those who wanted the phablet from Apple, i.e., phones so big that you can't pocket them or conveniently handle them, text or dial!

I don't expect any change in this SE model in September 2016; if it happens, it means the SE sold so well in the oncoming 5 months that they ran out!

Realistically, iPhone 7s A10x series in 2017:- 4", 4.7", and 5.5" (or 4.3", 4.10" and 5.9" with bezel minimization) for normal hands, big hands and phablets!
 
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I was lucky and sold my iPhone 5S 16GB on Sunday just before they announced the SE for $400 Can. Now I have to decide if I want to buy the new SE or 4.7" 6S or switch it up and try an android phone. I was all set for the SE but kind of bummed it doesn't have advanced LTE or MIMO WiFi. I am also going to sell my original iPad Air and upgrade to a new tablet. Was thinking either the 9.7" Pro or Air 2 or if I get an android phone will probably get a android tablet as well. But I am really worried about what I hear about touch wiz. Decisions decision.

Definitely 4.7" 6S. You can get MIMO, LTE Advanced, 2GB of RAM, same camera, an HD screen, Touch ID 2nd gen, etc.

As for an android, I like my GS7 Edge. Only issues I have are network related. Best screen and camera on the market. It's no A9 chip, but it's no slouch either. The Edge screen is finally useful. The FP scanner isn't as good as the iPhone's but it is still good. Water resistance, SD Slot, etc all included? Can't go wrong with a 6S or GS7/GS7 Edge. I can't go back to an iPad for now since my old one collected dust. It's too primitive to be my tablet.
 
Differences from the current 6S:

1. 1.2MP vs. 5MP front camera
2. Wi-Fi has more advanced MIMO in the 6S
3. Faster Touch ID 2nd generation
4. Higher contrast screen
5. LTE Advanced better on 6S
 
~30% of the current buyers are not a niche market! That is the market size of the people who bought the iPhone 5s over two years! Now, that size is upto specs.

If you are looking at specs and comparing them with MotoX or Nexus, what are you doing in this forum, saying the things you say?

It is not a smaller phone, it is a phone size that people are used to using, that Apple denied them for two years! It is a convenient size for about 50% of the population who do not have NBA sized hand-span!

This is an instance where size should not be an issue, just performance!

I think you misunderstood me, I said that VR was a niche market. As for what I'm doing in this forum, I'm confused. Don't you want other opinions to help shape your buying decision? It's a *forum*, a place to discuss experiences, opinions, news, etc. The "discuss" word is key here.

I'm not debating the "small" part in the least, I just personally think $399 is overpriced for what it brings and there are better phones for the price or even cheaper. Once again my opinion, and my opinion only. The SE will sell like hotcakes, Apple will make a crapload of money, but it's just not for me if I was in the market for a small phone. This is ignoring the shortcomings of iOS for my uses, just relating to hardware.
 
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I think that's my biggest surprise. I'll be going for the 64GB version myself. While I get by fine with my current 16GB iPhone 4 in terms of space, it does require careful management, and if I'm going to be paying $579 CAD for a new phone, then I may as well add $130 to quadruple the storage and take that concern out of the scene. This phone should last me for the next 4 years.
I really wish you could get 4 years out of an iPhone. Hardware-wise, sure, why not? Maybe you won't have the latest LTE bands. But software-wise, you're kind of screwed. Newer versions of iOS slow down older devices. Newer versions of apps often require newer versions of iOS. Sometimes, an app's functionality is lost if you do not update :(
 
How much is the 6s?

The 6s 16GB is about $840 in Poland, the 5s 16GB's that are left are $470, though I assume this will drop in the coming weeks once SE sales start
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Walmart has straight talk 5s for $200.

Good price but you're tied to Straight Talk Wireless. If it's as simple as unlocking the iPhone through an online service it's a steal.
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I really wish you could get 4 years out of an iPhone. Hardware-wise, sure, why not? Maybe you won't have the latest LTE bands. But software-wise, you're kind of screwed. Newer versions of iOS slow down older devices. Newer versions of apps often require newer versions of iOS. Sometimes, an app's functionality is lost if you do not update :(

I think you can out of the 5S and up. My 4S lasted three solid years until iOS8 lagged it down.
 
Can't wait to get one of these. I'm using an iPhone 4 but it is showing its age in terms of processing speed. I recently tried an Android phone for the first time and O M G I have a whole new appreciation for how good Apple hardware and iOS really is. Android had me pulling my hair out!! So many problems and headaches....so, sign me up. This SE is my new phone!!! Sooooo excited!!!
 
The only thing I wish the SE had advanced LTE.

I was all set for the SE but kind of bummed it doesn't have advanced LTE or MIMO WiFi.

Differences from the current 6S:

5. LTE Advanced better on 6S

The SE is what I have been waiting for, but, I am confused by the limited LTE bands. I do some international travel and also use T-Mobile. It looks like Apple wants me to buy the A1662, but, I don't understand that -- it looks like the A1723 would be better for T-Mobile+international. Will there be any problem buying a "Sprint" model and using it (GSM) on T-Mobile, occasional roaming to AT&T, and use internationally?
 
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