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extradryny

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Jun 2, 2011
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(they'd still have to offer at least one "basic" model, because nobody would want to pay the extra $40+ to add the modem.).

I'd have said the same thing until my wifi stopped working and I got stuck between Apple (it's your modem!) and Comcast (it's your time capsule!).. for 4 days.
 

MikhailT

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Nov 12, 2007
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I agree but they are pretty useless unless your Mac uses 802.11ac.

Correct but the newer chipset might improve n-standard as well. With double the antenna and 3 dedicated for 5Ghz, it is possible you'll get more stable connections, even without the AC.

If they did THAT then they'd have to explain why they didn't include TB and have to fend off all of the ' Even Apple thinks TB is a dead end. " comments.

ME177_AV2



All that wasted space, but still only 3 GigE ports, only one USB port that too USB2! What's with the odd trash can type design?

USB 3 or TB is worthless if the internal chipset doesn't carry data faster. Apple has a known record of using crappy IO chipset in Extreme.

Meaning that even if they had USB 3 support, it doesn't mean the speed is going to max out at USB 3's speed, it'll be maxed at the chipset's limit. So, if the hard drive can do 100MBps, the Extreme with USB 3 can still limit it at less than 30-40MBps because that's all it can do.

Unless Apple picks a high quality and speedy chipset, it's pointless to have USB3.



What is up with this vertical monstrosity? Did iOS7 consume all of Apple's creatives including product designers?

It has double the number of antennas, it has to be tall to allow those antennas to work properly and to allow for beam forming. Many new routers are heading this way in terms of tall design.

Will older devices see a boost in speed as well?

No, you'll most likely see more stable connections, less drops and so on because of the newer and improved chipset. Only the 802.11ac devices will see a huge boost in speed.

If the beam forming works on N as well they might. Otherwise I wouldn't think so.

Nah, I don't think so either because it's Apple we're talking about. They're not going to mess with the older parts. It's easier to focus on providing beam-forming on 802.11ac only.

I love that everyone who is complaining about the "tall" look, hasn't once thought about putting this on its side...

There's a reason for the tall design, it's to give room for more antennas and to beam-form better. You'd want it to stand tall and provide better reception.
 

ChrisA

macrumors G5
Jan 5, 2006
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I love that everyone who is complaining about the "tall" look, hasn't once thought about putting this on its side...


Very BAD Idea.

The radio "beam" is flat if you stand this thing up. Lay it down and the beam looks like a vertical wall and you'd have poor reception even if you were close.

If the beam where sperical then it would not matter. Height is required if the beam is to be made flat,
 

TsMkLg068426

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Mar 31, 2009
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I am also wondering if I should wait getting a Apple TV because wireless card might get a update to support 802.11ac?
 

Jacquesass

macrumors regular
May 6, 2003
211
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This will look great next to my Drobo 5N.

I'm VERY curious if you will be able to open the Airport Extreme and drop your own hard drive inside.
 

aprilfools

macrumors regular
Dec 15, 2004
213
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Southern California
Buy as many current model (5th generation) airport extreme base stations as you can get your hands on right now! Do it quick before they are all gone and hard to find! this new model looks to be a tank for $20 more. What is Apple thinking? $20 for more plastic. Unbelievable. I say fire those involved in designing the new look of the Mac Pro and Airport Base stations. UGLY!
 

cmanderson

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May 20, 2013
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I think the tall design is pretty strange. My stream was actually great quality and very smooth.

I had to kick my Apple TV down to 720P. At 1080P the stream cut off one too many times. I have a 50 Mbit Time Warner cable connection, and the Apple TV is hardwired, if you're wondering.
 

peb123

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Feb 14, 2010
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I'd have said the same thing until my wifi stopped working and I got stuck between Apple (it's your modem!) and Comcast (it's your time capsule!).. for 4 days.

Based on personal experience I'd pick Apple tech support over the cable company. In these situations you have to troubleshoot yourself, figure out where the problem is and then fight "the tech support" with facts. Goodluck!
 

carl0sian

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Oct 30, 2011
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I'm a huge fan of the Time Capsule! I have the previous version and have nothing but praises for it. I like the fact that Apple updated the Time Capsule but am disappointed in the lack of USB 3.0 capabilities.
 

iSayuSay

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Feb 6, 2011
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Who cares how it looks. If it performs well, it will be a great device. I got the Almond AC router from kickstarter, so I'll have to see which one I want to keep.

If you don't care for the looks. Then why care about Apple after all?

You can look at the alternatives. It's made of plastic, chaper yet works well
 

DeepIn2U

macrumors G5
May 30, 2002
12,825
6,880
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
As owner of 4th generation Time Capsule, I am underwhelmed. The only significant changes are:
  1. 802.11ac which is very nice for my upcoming wireless devices, but useless for now
  2. Redesigned case
  3. Beamforming, which affects only 802.11ac

I was hoping for:
  1. Faster I/O performance for hard disk (the website says only 50% faster)
  2. Multiple USB ports
  3. USB 3.0
  4. AirPrint server
  5. QoS (Wireless Multimedia Extensions)
  6. iTunes Server
  7. iCloud cache

I also was hoping for AirPrint Server - but OSX will suffice those needs. I really wanted USB3 (no excuse not to have this really; unless the push is for WiFi_AC), and MirrorCast was important.

I'm a huge fan of the Time Capsule! I have the previous version and have nothing but praises for it. I like the fact that Apple updated the Time Capsule but am disappointed in the lack of USB 3.0 capabilities.

I'm on 3rd Gen Time Capsule and I too can sing nothing but praises for it; except that iP5 doesn't support configurable 802.11n (for either 2.4/5Ghz) so I had to let it go; nothing mentioned in keynote for iOS7 to support that. That and I'm a BB user so I can take advantage of that.

SGS4 users can take advantage of this new gen Time Capsule and Airport Extreme since it too supports 802.11AC.

I'm curious, does the new Time Capsule support SSD natively out of the box?
 

furqan8421

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Jun 27, 2007
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Really wish they combined the features of the airport express (iTunes airplay) alongside the airport extreme
 

iSayuSay

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Feb 6, 2011
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Yes because Apple is ALL about how good it looks. :rolleyes:

In some cases yes. Not to say I agree with it, but it's true.

Remember new iMac? What's with make it thinner and cut the internal dvd drive? Putting SD slot in the back? For what?

YES. Looks :cool:
 

portishead

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Apr 4, 2007
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In some cases yes. Not to say I agree with it, but it's true.

Remember new iMac? What's with make it thinner and cut the internal dvd drive? Putting SD slot in the back? For what?

YES. Looks :cool:

I don't think Apple has ever made a product only to look good. That's foolish. It has to be functional first. The iMac is a beautiful machine, the optical drive is on it's way out. SD slot is used by almost every consumer camera. Making a product look good is not the same as being "all about looks". That's silly.
 

iSayuSay

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Feb 6, 2011
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I don't think Apple has ever made a product only to look good. That's foolish. It has to be functional first. The iMac is a beautiful machine, the optical drive is on it's way out. SD slot is used by almost every consumer camera. Making a product look good is not the same as being "all about looks". That's silly.

Agreed. So apparently, we put away some disagreement.
But you also contradict yourself.

You said "Who cares about how it looks as long as it works"
I essentially said "Apple is also about looks, if you only want something to 'just works' alternatives are available and cheaper too.

That's what my original post was all about.
 

portishead

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Apr 4, 2007
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Agreed. So apparently, we put away some disagreement.
But you also contradict yourself.

You said "Who cares about how it looks as long as it works"
I essentially said "Apple is also about looks, if you only want something to 'just works' alternatives are available and cheaper too.

That's what my original post was all about.

I was speaking in general terms, but as for Airport Extreme specifically, I don't care. After having a "nicer" smaller airport that doesn't have great range, I am willing to forego beauty for function.

I wouldn't want to use an ugly laptop every day though for example.
 

Rumple

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Jul 21, 2011
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I bet you this performs better than the old model on older wireless technology too not just "ac". I would get it just for that improvement if I had the funds, and patience to reset everything I own.
 

melman101

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Sep 3, 2009
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I've been thinking about getting the Asus as well. Just curious, did you try updating the firmware?

Yeap, updated to 3.0.0.4.270. I didn't go to the beta though.

I'd be sitting right in front of it, and my devices wouldn't be able to connect.

I'm gonna go for this 802.11ac Airport Extreme.

Been seriously contemplating the Time Capsule 2TB though.
 

thefourthpope

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Sep 8, 2007
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No, you'll most likely see more stable connections, less drops and so on because of the newer and improved chipset. Only the 802.11ac devices will see a huge boost in speed.

Answers my main question; thanks. Guess I'll hold off until I need a new desktop.

I'm all for the tall design. I have 9 feet of vertical space everywhere in my house, mostly unused. Horizontal is where the limits really happen.
 

macs4nw

macrumors 601
.....At today's Worldwide Developers Conference Keynote, Apple's Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller announced a new AirPort Base Station and new AirPort Time Capsules, featuring sleek new designs and improved internals.

Article Link: Apple Announces New Airport Base Station and Time Capsule with Faster 802.11ac Wi-Fi

I had hoped for an aluminum design, with some allowance for non-metallic strips at the back, or all around, near the antennas, similar to 3G/4G iOS devices. Since APPLE insists on keeping the (heat generating/Time Capsule destroying) power supply inside the unit, for simplicity's sake no doubt, an aluminum design would have helped with better heat dissipation.

I'm sure Jony could have done a real nice job of integrating the polycarbonate strips near the antennas with the aluminum main body of the unit.
Average lifespan of the current generation TC: 18 mos. Let's see how the new ones hold up.

I'm also surprised they didn't update the Airport Express (yet) to the new 802.11ac chip. I have a dead g-version of the express, and don't wanne go buy an n-version, knowing the ac version is around the corner. Patience I guess. :(
 
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