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Apple Announces New Aluminum MacBooks
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That's interesting. It's inexpensive enough that I may get one and try it. I just can't believe it will work, though, because everything I've read said that it needs an chip in the cable and drivers to function. And I still have doubts that FCE or FCP will recognize it.
So what? The only thing that you mention in your post is FW. I did the same already, so there is no need in repeating it...and there is absolutely no sense in saying that the new MB is WORSE than previous Macs simply because FW is gone.
If one FW port is more important in your view than EVERY other improvement including build quality, speed, GPU, trackpad, design and screen, once more...go buy an iMac or a MBP.
MagnusVonMagnum described with a great degree of detail and accuracy the profit game of Apple behind our back.
There are people that complain because most of people here are complaining about the new crap stuff (new Apple laptops)
Ok, design is a subjective story. Some of you, you like the new machines, i dont at all.
What about the fw then? Some of you say more or less that fw is obsolete. Many people find it a fantastic solution for connecting video cameras. Other professionals or even amateurs they use it for sound production and music. Users like me they NEED it for backing up files. Yes, it is far better than usb 2. Ok, Apple is dropping off the fw 400 port. Why dont they give us at least a replacement usb port? 2 misery ports only??
how can i connect at the same time a printer, a mouse, a scanner and a flash disk? Or, having the peripherals above at the same time, sounds like a "pro" need? There is no miserable pc laptop with less than 3 usb ports in 2008. Some of them have 4 or even 5... And dvi with video-S.
The answer to my questin is obviously «get a usb hub».
Some people finding exaggerating that many people cant use glossy displays. I have no problem with glass since i can control the light conditions of my room. But, reflection is generally annoying. Furthermore, there are lots of serious users that cant use glossy display cos it does distort colors.
Again Apple refuses the choice. They say «no». If you want a different display pay for it and of course for the adaptor. So far, 2 adaptors. If you want to connect with a Video tape then you get another adaptor. If, just in case, you will need to connect thru a dial-up connection (cos the dsl line is down for example) then you will need another adaptor, the usb modem. What a nice collection of adaptors. If there will be a usb to firewire adaptor then we will have 5 adaptors. Above all, it is supposed to be a portable.
The price.... Ok guys you love the new machine. No problem, i respect your tastes. But it does cost $2oo more in States and in Europe about €250 more. Why? How can you welcome such a product with such a huge smile when this piece of hardware scarcely costs $300??? How can be so blindly faithful to Apple without criticizing their horrible moments? They produce such a cheap product in poor countries like China and they just sell us a big bubble of american dream. No thanks, i am serious professional user, not a fashion victim. No Apple, no thanks, i wont take it.
Congratulations MagnusVonMagnum cos your movement was absolutely clever: the laptop you got recently has a far faster processor (past generation is faster than new one...ridiculous), better graphics card than the 9400, bigger screen with bigger resolution (35% more working space, fewer clicks and double clicks aka less time waste), 2 fw ports, an Express card slot and a better design (the last is subjective). All these with the same money. Ah, and an equally versatile trackpad.
I would either go for an older macbook or macbook pro. But am waiting for nehalem in imacs. I dont buy this crap. And am not going to pay for others crimes; it's not us, the masses, who caused the world financial crisis. I let others to be the suckers and pay for. I didnt cause the crisis. Big banks and companies did it. Not us. So, the premium that apple charges for their crap machines is not welcome.
And a last word about the so called "pros". Pro is not only the person who does digital video and needs lots of big monitors. A «Pro», by definition, is anyone who makes a living and in our case a living with or thru his/her mac.
That is to make a living with having a mac as tool for our job. A journalist who needs a big monitor at his laptop to write an article is a professional. A musician that needs a big monitor to see wave sequences and music score is a professional too. A scientist that needs a big monitor for calculations is also a pro. An engineer the same. Most of these professionals need a good computer, with a big preferably monitor and without a strong graphics card. Please, some of u, dont underestimate our common sense with this boring story of pros and non-pros.
Dont deprive us of the right of choice. A wider range of choices is always democratic and welcome with price fall or stability. You like the glossy monitor? We never said «matte only». All we want is a more customizable system. Choices in monitor type and size, choices in processor. I dont need the illuminated keyboard. Why should i pay for it? Because the 1/1000 of macbook users are «executives» who travel overnite 2 times a week by plane and they need a discreet sublight system to see the keyboard better onboard?
Oh my goodness, i am a macuser but i am not blind. I want to cover my basic and substancial needs in computing not those artificially created by Apple. Let's make a petition: more choice, better prices, more expandability, more customisation. And less lies. Please Apple, please...
Job's speech addresses to ignorant people. He is a horrible liar.
There are people that complain because most of people here are complaining about the new crap stuff (new Apple laptops)
Ok, design is a subjective story. Some of you, you like the new machines, i dont at all.
What about the fw then? Some of you say more or less that fw is obsolete. Many people find it a fantastic solution for connecting video cameras. Other professionals or even amateurs they use it for sound production and music. Users like me they NEED it for backing up files. Yes, it is far better than usb 2. Ok, Apple is dropping off the fw 400 port. Why dont they give us at least a replacement usb port? 2 misery ports only??
how can i connect at the same time a printer, a mouse, a scanner and a flash disk? Or, having the peripherals above at the same time, sounds like a "pro" need? There is no miserable pc laptop with less than 3 usb ports in 2008. Some of them have 4 or even 5... And dvi with video-S.
The answer to my questin is obviously «get a usb hub».
Some people finding exaggerating that many people cant use glossy displays. I have no problem with glass since i can control the light conditions of my room. But, reflection is generally annoying. Furthermore, there are lots of serious users that cant use glossy display cos it does distort colors.
Again Apple refuses the choice. They say «no». If you want a different display pay for it and of course for the adaptor. So far, 2 adaptors. If you want to connect with a Video tape then you get another adaptor. If, just in case, you will need to connect thru a dial-up connection (cos the dsl line is down for example) then you will need another adaptor, the usb modem. What a nice collection of adaptors. If there will be a usb to firewire adaptor then we will have 5 adaptors. Above all, it is supposed to be a portable.
The price.... Ok guys you love the new machine. No problem, i respect your tastes. But it does cost $2oo more in States and in Europe about €250 more. Why? How can you welcome such a product with such a huge smile when this piece of hardware scarcely costs $300??? How can be so blindly faithful to Apple without criticizing their horrible moments? They produce such a cheap product in poor countries like China and they just sell us a big bubble of american dream. No thanks, i am serious professional user, not a fashion victim. No Apple, no thanks, i wont take it.
Congratulations MagnusVonMagnum cos your movement was absolutely clever: the laptop you got recently has a far faster processor (past generation is faster than new one...ridiculous), better graphics card than the 9400, bigger screen with bigger resolution (35% more working space, fewer clicks and double clicks aka less time waste), 2 fw ports, an Express card slot and a better design (the last is subjective). All these with the same money. Ah, and an equally versatile trackpad.
I would either go for an older macbook or macbook pro. But am waiting for nehalem in imacs. I dont buy this crap. And am not going to pay for others crimes; it's not us, the masses, who caused the world financial crisis. I let others to be the suckers and pay for. I didnt cause the crisis. Big banks and companies did it. Not us. So, the premium that apple charges for their crap machines is not welcome.
And a last word about the so called "pros". Pro is not only the person who does digital video and needs lots of big monitors. A «Pro», by definition, is anyone who makes a living and in our case a living with or thru his/her mac.
That is to make a living with having a mac as tool for our job. A journalist who needs a big monitor at his laptop to write an article is a professional. A musician that needs a big monitor to see wave sequences and music score is a professional too. A scientist that needs a big monitor for calculations is also a pro. An engineer the same. Most of these professionals need a good computer, with a big preferably monitor and without a strong graphics card. Please, some of u, dont underestimate our common sense with this boring story of pros and non-pros.
Dont deprive us of the right of choice. A wider range of choices is always democratic and welcome with price fall or stability. You like the glossy monitor? We never said «matte only». All we want is a more customizable system. Choices in monitor type and size, choices in processor. I dont need the illuminated keyboard. Why should i pay for it? Because the 1/1000 of macbook users are «executives» who travel overnite 2 times a week by plane and they need a discreet sublight system to see the keyboard better onboard?
Oh my goodness, i am a macuser but i am not blind. I want to cover my basic and substancial needs in computing not those artificially created by Apple. Let's make a petition: more choice, better prices, more expandability, more customisation. And less lies. Please Apple, please...
Job's speech addresses to ignorant people. He is a horrible liar.
I could get XP but, no, it wouldn't solve the problem because it wouldn't capture through FCE or FCP. There would be too many workarounds and it would be too time consuming. And, you're right, if there was an adapter that allowed it to work with FCP and it was too expensive you might as well move up to the MBP. The problem for me is that I want and need it in the smaller form factor of the MB. That's what was so perfect about my 12" Powerbook. But it's technologically too old. This is very frustrating when it's something so simple as a firewire port. Oh well.
That is exactly what I would have expected. Firewire and USB are not just electrical signaling. They are entirely different communication protocols implemented by considerable software (drivers) in the OS. You can't simply stick a cable between the device and the computer and expect them to communicate; it would be like putting a dictionary between an English speaker and someone who spoke Mandarin and expecting them to be able to have a conversation without regard to grammar or syntax.
If this cable is supported for Windows XP it must mean it comes with software that runs on Windows to manage the translation. But even this is probably done at the user and not the system level, so it probably means that it does not work perfectly even on Windows.
Yes, in the real world a professional = a person who makes money.
But the Mac zealots can't think for themselves. They're used to letting Stevie do their thinking for them. So when Apple says "MacBook Pros and Mac Pros are made for "pros" they believe that only a real "pro" would use MacBook Pros and Mac Pros. And they're repeat that "party line" over and over... as mindless puppets tend to do.
They live in a fantasy world where everything is either black or white. You can try to explain to them that Apple's "pro" concept is only marketing hype, not a definition in the dictionary or an IRS ruling, but they'll still blindly follow the Word of the Steve, who they'll gladly bend over and spread it for on command.
Which is why you won't catch me using the iphone to browse the web for long periods of time.
That's my choice too. But I'm thinking that the 15" is just too big to lug around. So I'll probably give up Firewire (which I would like to have but don't absolutely need) and the dual GPUs (which again I don't need but might be more useful once Snow Leopard is released) and settle for a Macbook that's a little less capable than I would like.
I don't get it why they're not even use anti-glare glass!This photo from iFixit confirms my impression. The new MacBooks are not simply glossy, they are ULTRA-Glossy
Firewire don't live here anymore.
It's actually a little amazing to watch the amount of endless complaining coming from this forum.
While I do realize Firewire is still essential to many; I take issue with the overwhelming amount of people who are kicking up stink because Apple reserved Firewire for the Pro community. These are people who before owning a Mac or Apple device were as dead on the inside as their digital life. And as a Mac consultant, Firewire is a connectivity greatly underused by the consumer community.
And in my opinion, the lack of choice between matte or glossy is a much more valid argument!
Suffice it to say, Apple is not focusing on the gray area. They are catering to the Consumer (MacBook) and the Professional (MacBook Pro).
Personally, I believe Apple should standardize Firewire 800 throughout the entire line, but they obviously are not going in that direction. And though I think all Macs need Firewire 800, we now see from the MacBook disassembly photos that FireWire would have been impossible with the current components.
And as Steve Jobs said, "Pros will buy MacBook Pros"
"And People are upset because they want it but it's not what they want."
But before I continue; I think that people need to take a moment and let solidify the idea of what Apple is trying to do. With great passion, they have taken the complexity of design out of the new MacBooks leaving in it's place a rigid, all-metal body that offers the entire machine less opportunity for failure. And how can you be upset when you have the kind of technology in the new MacBooks neatly packaged into 13 and 15 inch aluminum frames.
And is it me or has everyone forgot that the desktop is always an option. And for some, a better one!
You will find Apple has forced nothing onto you. No one is making you buy the new MacBooks. People are upset because they want it but it's not what they want. And you cannot move forward with that kind of thinking. And you can still buy the previous generation MacBooks and Pros.
Again, as Steve Jobs said, "Pros will buy MacBook Pros"
So if you are using pro user peripherals, you will need a pro machine. If you want to do what the pros do, you will need a pro machine or compromise with a consumer one.
In essence, I guess fact is, the unabashedly robust design of the new MacBooks, the revolutionary all-button multi-gesture glass trackpad, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard as we know it, all the Mac applications that before us has changed our lives and has invigorated our most creative and productive spirits, the people who worked feverishly to bring us the worlds best mobile internet communication device, should be beat up and harped on because all of that pales in comparison to the much more important Apple sacred firewire which can't even fit on the bloody MacBook to begin with.
Steve Jobs was wrong ... I can tell him were he'll find a bag of hurt.
It's actually a little amazing to watch the amount of endless complaining coming from this forum.
While I do realize Firewire is still essential to many; I take issue with the overwhelming amount of people who are kicking up stink because Apple reserved Firewire for the Pro community. These are people who before owning a Mac or Apple device were as dead on the inside as their digital life. And as a Mac consultant, Firewire is a connectivity greatly underused by the consumer community.
And in my opinion, the lack of choice between matte or glossy is a much more valid argument!
Suffice it to say, Apple is not focusing on the gray area. They are catering to the Consumer (MacBook) and the Professional (MacBook Pro).
Personally, I believe Apple should standardize Firewire 800 throughout the entire line, but they obviously are not going in that direction. And though I think all Macs need Firewire 800, we now see from the MacBook disassembly photos that FireWire would have been impossible with the current components.
And as Steve Jobs said, "Pros will buy MacBook Pros"
"And People are upset because they want it but it's not what they want."
But before I continue; I think that people need to take a moment and let solidify the idea of what Apple is trying to do. With great passion, they have taken the complexity of design out of the new MacBooks leaving in it's place a rigid, all-metal body that offers the entire machine less opportunity for failure. And how can you be upset when you have the kind of technology in the new MacBooks neatly packaged into 13 and 15 inch aluminum frames.
And is it me or has everyone forgot that the desktop is always an option. And for some, a better one!
You will find Apple has forced nothing onto you. No one is making you buy the new MacBooks. People are upset because they want it but it's not what they want. And you cannot move forward with that kind of thinking. And you can still buy the previous generation MacBooks and Pros.
Again, as Steve Jobs said, "Pros will buy MacBook Pros"
So if you are using pro user peripherals, you will need a pro machine. If you want to do what the pros do, you will need a pro machine or compromise with a consumer one.
In essence, I guess fact is, the unabashedly robust design of the new MacBooks, the revolutionary all-button multi-gesture glass trackpad, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard as we know it, all the Mac applications that before us has changed our lives and has invigorated our most creative and productive spirits, the people who worked feverishly to bring us the worlds best mobile internet communication device, should be beat up and harped on because all of that pales in comparison to the much more important Apple sacred firewire which can't even fit on the bloody MacBook to begin with.
Steve Jobs was wrong ... I can tell him were he'll find a bag of hurt.
Multiple quotes from 1984 come to mind... but here's just one:
O'Brien: Power is tearing human minds apart and putting them back together in new shapes of your own choosing.
This is the argument that p*sses me off, because it's basically the same one that has been made by Microsoft all these years: "Here's some cr*p, eat it and like it because you have no choice, and if you don't like it take a hike." And it's all supposed to be OK because after all, "Apple is just operating in their best interest like any company would." Except there was a time, and I say this as an Apple customer of over 22 years, when Apple didn't just operate as any company would but rather as a company whose standard was making the best and most innovative products possible. And that's what earned them such a loyal following: the fact that there was a clear distinction between the way Apple did things and the way that other Evil Empire operated. And now, and in the past few years, when they have a really simple choice to make, they invariably choose to make a few more bucks for themselves rather than provide customers with the best products they could. And yeah, we'll eat their cr*p because it's still the best cr*p for sale, but we will no longer think of them as in a different class with loftier intentions than that other corporation a few hundred miles north.
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(And now I'm off to the Apple store to get my first hands-on look at the new Macbook.
)This is the argument that p*sses me off, because it's basically the same one that has been made by Microsoft all these years: "Here's some cr*p, eat it and like it because you have no choice, and if you don't like it take a hike." And it's all supposed to be OK because after all, "Apple is just operating in their best interest like any company would." Except there was a time, and I say this as an Apple customer of over 22 years, when Apple didn't just operate as any company would but rather as a company whose standard was making the best and most innovative products possible. And that's what earned them such a loyal following: the fact that there was a clear distinction between the way Apple did things and the way that other Evil Empire operated. And now, and in the past few years, when they have a really simple choice to make, they invariably choose to make a few more bucks for themselves rather than provide customers with the best products they could. And yeah, we'll eat their cr*p because it's still the best cr*p for sale, but we will no longer think of them as in a different class with loftier intentions than that other corporation a few hundred miles north.
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(And now I'm off to the Apple store to get my first hands-on look at the new Macbook.
And I do appreciate your points; however, I think some of us are forgetting that Apple STILL does provide customers with amazing products.
I am not familiar with any other notebook computer as powerful as sturdy (all metal unibody) and as in front of the times as the MacBook.
So my question is when did Apple stop providing customers with a different class of technology? iPhone. MacBook Air. Multi-touch. Glass trackpads. Leopard. Sounds pretty innovative to me.
Surely Firewire couldn't spoil all of what Apple has done for us.
Apple builds hardware to last for years and years, not until their next best thing. So if their latest and greatest is not so great for you, look to some of the previous hardware because I am sure you will find your pleasures somewhere within.
And do enjoy your playtime with the new MacBooks!
And, "Orwell: He who controls the past controls the future; and he who controls the present controls the past."
My $0.02
Just wanted to offer my opinions: the new MBs feel very expensive and look beautiful in person--saw them at the Apple Store in SF today. Two thoughts, though: they looked "smudgy" from people handling them, and the rubber "lip" surrounding the glass on the screen makes me wonder how durable it will be long-term. One other thing: the trackpad is nice but will take some getting used to.
Overall, I definitely want one!
Just wanted to offer my opinions: the new MBs feel very expensive and look beautiful in person--saw them at the Apple Store in SF today. Two thoughts, though: they looked "smudgy" from people handling them, and the rubber "lip" surrounding the glass on the screen makes me wonder how durable it will be long-term. One other thing: the trackpad is nice but will take some getting used to.
Overall, I definitely want one!
This is the argument that p*sses me off, because it's basically the same one that has been made by Microsoft all these years: "Here's some cr*p, eat it and like it because you have no choice, and if you don't like it take a hike." And it's all supposed to be OK because after all, "Apple is just operating in their best interest like any company would." Except there was a time, and I say this as an Apple customer of over 22 years, when Apple didn't just operate as any company would but rather as a company whose standard was making the best and most innovative products possible. And that's what earned them such a loyal following: the fact that there was a clear distinction between the way Apple did things and the way that other Evil Empire operated. And now, and in the past few years, when they have a really simple choice to make, they invariably choose to make a few more bucks for themselves rather than provide customers with the best products they could. And yeah, we'll eat their cr*p because it's still the best cr*p for sale, but we will no longer think of them as in a different class with loftier intentions than that other corporation a few hundred miles north.
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(And now I'm off to the Apple store to get my first hands-on look at the new Macbook.
I couldn't agree more.