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Apple Announces New Apple TV With Siri, App Store, New User Interface and Remote
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This is not a gaming console it is just a device that plays some games, The dreadful New york times are the ones that were making this out to be some gaming revolution device
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So what do you have to say about the new iPhone that shoots 4K? They didn't mention that being "a decade away."
And it makes absolutely no sense for anyone with 4K content to put it in the iTunes store until there is 4K playback hardware in place to play it. Again, there are no A10-only apps in the iOS app store yet so why should Apple bother building new iDevices for next year until "I" can see lots of such apps? The hardware must LEAD, not follow.
And those with "too slow" internet or those that don't own 4K sets yet don't have to lose a thing. Better hardware can always play lessor software. In other words, had this been a 4K
TV, the "1080p is good enough" crowd could have enjoyed 1080p played through it to the max... just as those with 720p TVs can enjoy 720p to the max with the existing TV. Some of us wanted another step ahead in the hardware... especially since our new iPhones will be able to shoot 4K. If we have recently replaced our TV, we may have chosen to buy a 4K set. An
TV is the key link in the chain between iTunes (where our 4K videos shot on our new iPhones will likely be stored) and the new 4K TV begging for more 4K content.Those happy with <4K would not have to do anything to enjoy the new hardware. It would simply downscale to their 1080p or 720p set just like the current one does to 720p sets.
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I am seeing home sharing under the system requirements....
http://www.apple.com/tv/specs/
So I have a feeling your content will be viewable. What I don't know, and I think everyone is in the same boat, is will it search your content along with the other stuff. Almost like a finder on steroids if you will.
Uh, the previous version of the TV had the A5 chip, single core. As to an earlier post wondering why the A9 isn't in the new version, well..... THEY ARE ALL GOING INTO THE iPAD PRO!
All you need is a HDHomeRun App on the AppleTV. I already have HDHomeRun. However, the problem is this. One hour of recording takes about 13GB in MPEG2 OTA. Unless AppleTV has a way to connect to a storage system, this app is useless. I believe HDHomeRun is coming out with their own DVR.
Probably not, probably got big ass heatsink and a significantly higher clock. They could even use a different process : not low power, but high performance, to push the clock even higher.
Turn your frown upside down skippy, Home sharing is still there like always
Just spotted that myself
I think we're ok with playing local stuff of iTunes i think... As you've said final question: can Siri search it??????? I really hope so!!
Already have several AppleTVs. Without 4K I see no incentive to upgrade. What a waste of hype.
I loved this Keynote. So many news, and even if the iPhone kept the design, it's really worth upgrading. And this new AppleTV?
I for once am truly amazed
Sooooo soon having a new AppleTV, an iPad Pro and a new iPhone. This year ends pretty good
I for once am truly amazed
Sooooo soon having a new AppleTV, an iPad Pro and a new iPhone. This year ends pretty good
So the new iPhone can record and playback 4K video but you'll have to play it back on SOMEONE ELSE'S media playback box becuase Apple is too short-sighted to support their own newest iPhone.
Morons are running Apple.
Maybe in a year's time, eh? Do you honestly believe Apple will release ANOTHER new model in a year? Not a chance in HELL. The point SOME people are trying desperately to get across to the short-sighted on here is that you don't let the competition beat you to the punch. Apple has a brand new iPhone that captures video in 4K and it won't play back on their brand new AppleTV? How STUPID do you have to be at Apple to not see what an obvious BONE HEAD move that is????
The WORST part of all is that the tech guys out there have said the A8 chip is 100% fully capable of playing back 4K video, but Apple won't enable it on the previous iPhone because they want you to buy the new one. But Apple will NOT release a new AppleTV every year like the iPhone. There is just not enough interest, especially if we would already know that this year's model is obsolete next year. That's no way to run a business. Apple has to know that games are played on controllers, not remote controls too. So I wouldn't expect this thing to run anything worth playing. They should have offered an official optional controller for gaming and I don't mean an iPod Touch at $199. My PS3/PS4 controllers work 100% on my Mac without any drivers and one wonders why they wouldn't just support the competition's controllers if they can't be bothered to build their own.
What UNIVERSE are YOU living in? There has been 4K content for sale from day one (admittedly only a small number of titles to start) but now Samsung has just released the first 4K Blu-Ray player and Netflix has had 4K content for some time now. Several tv stations have announced upcoming 4K channels soon and Apple wants to sell cable over the Net, but they won't be supporting those new hard-to-get 4K channels (and thus get a jump on the competition), but rather you are stuck with the SAME CONTENT that's been available now for over a decade! Apple already has a 1080p player for $69, why the hell does ANYONE need this monstrosity except to get an App player to run AVI/MKV type content Apple refuses to support directly? If you want to play games, you buy a Playstation, not an AppleTV. If you want to watch 4K, you'll have to watch it on your new iPhone or someone else's box since Apple doesn't even support their newest iPhone's video. Pathetic. What's even more pathetic is how some of you can't see why this is a bad thing.
How about Dolby Atmos support, at least? Nope. Still rocking 1994 Dolby Digital.... Does anyone at Apple even know about MODERN Home Theatre technology??? I don't think so.
Morons are running Apple.
Maybe in a year's time, eh? Do you honestly believe Apple will release ANOTHER new model in a year? Not a chance in HELL. The point SOME people are trying desperately to get across to the short-sighted on here is that you don't let the competition beat you to the punch. Apple has a brand new iPhone that captures video in 4K and it won't play back on their brand new AppleTV? How STUPID do you have to be at Apple to not see what an obvious BONE HEAD move that is????
The WORST part of all is that the tech guys out there have said the A8 chip is 100% fully capable of playing back 4K video, but Apple won't enable it on the previous iPhone because they want you to buy the new one. But Apple will NOT release a new AppleTV every year like the iPhone. There is just not enough interest, especially if we would already know that this year's model is obsolete next year. That's no way to run a business. Apple has to know that games are played on controllers, not remote controls too. So I wouldn't expect this thing to run anything worth playing. They should have offered an official optional controller for gaming and I don't mean an iPod Touch at $199. My PS3/PS4 controllers work 100% on my Mac without any drivers and one wonders why they wouldn't just support the competition's controllers if they can't be bothered to build their own.
What UNIVERSE are YOU living in? There has been 4K content for sale from day one (admittedly only a small number of titles to start) but now Samsung has just released the first 4K Blu-Ray player and Netflix has had 4K content for some time now. Several tv stations have announced upcoming 4K channels soon and Apple wants to sell cable over the Net, but they won't be supporting those new hard-to-get 4K channels (and thus get a jump on the competition), but rather you are stuck with the SAME CONTENT that's been available now for over a decade! Apple already has a 1080p player for $69, why the hell does ANYONE need this monstrosity except to get an App player to run AVI/MKV type content Apple refuses to support directly? If you want to play games, you buy a Playstation, not an AppleTV. If you want to watch 4K, you'll have to watch it on your new iPhone or someone else's box since Apple doesn't even support their newest iPhone's video. Pathetic. What's even more pathetic is how some of you can't see why this is a bad thing.
How about Dolby Atmos support, at least? Nope. Still rocking 1994 Dolby Digital.... Does anyone at Apple even know about MODERN Home Theatre technology??? I don't think so.
I don't care how much it sucks. Hope it gets Jailbroken (no more lack of entry points excuses) so I can run Kodi on it again & stop switching inputs between my NUC & AppleTV.
I have two Apple TV 3's, and was looking forward to this update. Have used Apple TV since the ATV2 came out. I've jailbroken the 2's to use XBMC and Plex, then migrated to the ATV3 for the 1080p goodness.
For the ATV4, I was hoping for 4K capability and gigabit ethernet (to quickly stream my local high-def home videos). Got neither. Oh well. Guess I'll wait for the next update in three years.
-Siri? Meh. I have that on my phone and only use it for like 2 or 3 things. Most of the time it gets my request wrong or says "I'm really sorry about this. . .". Rarely does it take less time than tapping with my finger. I expect it will end up taking more time to use on the Apple TV for most things as well. For those that it does speed things up for, it will be a minor perk, not a game changer.
-App store: I never understood the clamor for this. Apple TV has had "apps" for a long time. All this does is make each app opt-in instead of opt-out. Better, I guess, but not worth $150.
-Third-party controllers: Not interested at all.
-New remote? Meh. I use a logitech universal remote anyway to control my TV, Apple TV, BD player and Channelmaster DVR. A new Apple TV remote will go into a drawer and never be seen again, in favor of my universal remote. (Except for the first few times I'd try out Siri, figure out it doesn't work as well as just using buttons, and then put it down.)
For the ATV4, I was hoping for 4K capability and gigabit ethernet (to quickly stream my local high-def home videos). Got neither. Oh well. Guess I'll wait for the next update in three years.
-Siri? Meh. I have that on my phone and only use it for like 2 or 3 things. Most of the time it gets my request wrong or says "I'm really sorry about this. . .". Rarely does it take less time than tapping with my finger. I expect it will end up taking more time to use on the Apple TV for most things as well. For those that it does speed things up for, it will be a minor perk, not a game changer.
-App store: I never understood the clamor for this. Apple TV has had "apps" for a long time. All this does is make each app opt-in instead of opt-out. Better, I guess, but not worth $150.
-Third-party controllers: Not interested at all.
-New remote? Meh. I use a logitech universal remote anyway to control my TV, Apple TV, BD player and Channelmaster DVR. A new Apple TV remote will go into a drawer and never be seen again, in favor of my universal remote. (Except for the first few times I'd try out Siri, figure out it doesn't work as well as just using buttons, and then put it down.)
4K standards are still in flux and this thing is dirt cheap; people will just buy another one when they actually get 4K content and a decent 65 inch and more (only sizes when it makes sense) in 3 years.é
For me. future proofing has always meant overbuilding on something useless while not delivering on something usefull right now.
You missed the point.
The issue is not the performance of the system but the openness of the developer environment. Until now, signing up as a game console developer involved major capital and commitments to distribution that the average independent developer could not afford. The indies were restricted to PCs and other non-appliance devices. With 4th gen Apple TV, you'll see a lot of very original titles come about for the big flat panel screens using this very slick motion sensitive and touch sensitive controller.
I can already see games like Infinity Blade work on tvOS with the slashing actions converted from screen swipes to remote control movements triggered by its embedded accelerometer. That's just the beginning. Chair Entertainment (makers of Infinity Blade) could have never started on console platforms since it was a shoestring start-up with very little capital and mostly fueled by enthusiasm, pizza and energy drinks.
Once this new eco-struture matures, then it is time for the kick-ass graphics processor doing more than displaying flesh impact waves across bodies.
As per http://www.apple.com/tv/specs/ the new Apple TV supports Dolby Digital Plus 7.1. This is the first indication that finally we are seeing a product from Apple that supports newer codecs for video. I hope this capability carries through to the Macs as well. Netflix uses this codec. Too bad they have listed any true lossless surround audio codecs (such as DTS HD Ma, Dolby TrueHD).
Wow, lots of FUD going on. Here we go.
First, it's absolutely inexcusable that this doesn't have HDMI 2.0. Inexcusable. Tons of TVs, AVRs, etc have HDMI 2.0 now. We've waited (what has it been, three years?) for the Apple TV to be updated and they can't even offer the latest in HDMI?
Second, 4K is neither expensive nor niche. Have people been to a Best Buy or such store recently? That's all you find are 4K TVs. Netflix offers 4K content, so do other services. I just bought a Samsung JU7100 for $900 over Labor Day weekend and I've been watching House of Cards (Netflix). It's glorious. And so is 1080p content. I'd rather watch the content through an Apple TV, though.
Third, bandwidth is not a real limitation, not in 2015. I'm paying around $60 a month for 50Mbps. Netflix recommends 25Mbps for 4K. Getting a 25Mbps service is not exactly a hardship.
Bottom line is, there is no excuse *not* to offer HDMI 2.0. I'm putting my money back in my wallet. Disappointing is an understatement.
First, it's absolutely inexcusable that this doesn't have HDMI 2.0. Inexcusable. Tons of TVs, AVRs, etc have HDMI 2.0 now. We've waited (what has it been, three years?) for the Apple TV to be updated and they can't even offer the latest in HDMI?
Second, 4K is neither expensive nor niche. Have people been to a Best Buy or such store recently? That's all you find are 4K TVs. Netflix offers 4K content, so do other services. I just bought a Samsung JU7100 for $900 over Labor Day weekend and I've been watching House of Cards (Netflix). It's glorious. And so is 1080p content. I'd rather watch the content through an Apple TV, though.
Third, bandwidth is not a real limitation, not in 2015. I'm paying around $60 a month for 50Mbps. Netflix recommends 25Mbps for 4K. Getting a 25Mbps service is not exactly a hardship.
Bottom line is, there is no excuse *not* to offer HDMI 2.0. I'm putting my money back in my wallet. Disappointing is an understatement.
I believe every 64-bit Apple processor has been marketing-speak dubbed "desktop class" during the keynote. Yeah, the new one is better, but the old one wasn't exactly a slouch.
You being serious? Netflix 4K & BTSport UHD streams are commonplace, as for Synology, DS416 Play that's coming out in a few weeks has transcoding chip for 4K, switched to digital yet have you?
Yes, serious, I've actually seen the diff between native 4K and those crap streams and its not even funny how far they are from each other! Most people don'T have the bandwith, latency and data caps to stream 4K at a decent compression level and 4K is uselss on those idiotic cheap 50 inchers you sit at 8 feet and more from unless you got superhuman eyes... And then your more likely to see the compression artefacts anyway...
Yeah, I can tell you know a lot about 4K.
All crap? Clearly, you haven't seen proper 4K. I admit it's silly to buy a 65" set and sit 20 feet away, but with a projector and 200" 2.35:1 screen at 15 feet, it's like being in a proper real large theater. Clearly, most people don't know about projection. I've had a 93" screen at 12 feet for NINE years now and everyone who comes over just about craps their pants when they see it (and hear it with 6.1 sound). I've probably sold people on home theater more than the local stereo shops just showing a proper setup. People can't believe I only paid $1800 for that setup (on the video end) back in 2007. You can get 1080P 3D for the same price now with a 2:35:1 screen using Panasonic's digital Panavision conversion. 4K is a bit more, but doable. I'm already at a screen size distance that can see beyond 1080p, not full 4K, but with a larger screen, no problemo.
64 GB max, pass!
Make the MacMini (no love shown) the aTV. It's almost the same size and can do more.
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The problem is your are using logic.
Games and entertainment runs via aesthetics where reason and logic take a back seat to passion, desire, storytelling and all other elements of theater. Apple knows this.
If you want to do well on tvOS, do not let the STEM mind lead. Go find someone that can party like crazy in a crowd of strangers, make new friends in a night, has dozens of people text them in a day and goes through lovers like tissue paper. That is one to lead your efforts.
Well, don't buy it then... See if the competition offers more of the useless and less of the useful (as usual...).
Also, if I have to hear "inexcusable" ... One more time......