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There is actually *very* little difference between the 1.4GHz ULV i5 and last year's 2.5GHz i5. Less than 150 difference in passmark scores.

The 1.4 is, however, MUCH more energy efficient.

You seem to be very sour about the keynote - were you hoping for something in particular?

no. that's just wrong. explain to me why they sell a 2.6gz i5 for 200 more then. the turboboost activates for short bursts. do anything demanding with it for a minute like playing a game (lots of ppl play!) and u will be disappointed.

and no. i am sour about apple in general. i've been there since 1993. they make bad decisions. why sell 22 ipad configurations? etc.
 
This completely takes the piss.

MacRumors should be SLAMMING Apple about this change.

These changes are MASSIVE downgrades for the Mac mini demographic however pretty a picture they want to try to paint.

I've just had a Live Chat myself, and after asking whether memory would be upgradeable after purchase, was told:

"I am sorry to say that due to the new board used on the Mac mini we have just released the RAM cannot be upgraded after the point of sale."

And after stating that I presumed it would be the same deal for HDD swap-outs:

"I am sorry to say not either, it has been now built with the Uni-Body design like our other Mac range."
 
no. that's just wrong. explain to me why they sell a 2.6gz i5 for 200 more then. the turboboost activates for short bursts. do anything demanding with it for a minute like playing a game (lots of ppl play!) and u will be disappointed.

and no. i am sour about apple in general. i've been there since 1993. they make bad decisions. why sell 22 ipad configurations? etc.

Because they can. That $200 also gets you a newer CPU (with better graphics), a bigger HDD, and double the RAM.

And just wrong? Sure. Here's the 2.5GHz scoring 3805 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3210M+@+2.50GHz and here's the 1.4GHz scoring 3651 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4260U+@+1.40GHz&id=2238 - that's ~150 difference. Which is minimal.

You will also see the 15w tdp vs 35w.
 
You seem to be very sour about the keynote - were you hoping for something in particular?

How about just offering the CPU from the MacBook Pro 15 inch/Iris Pro as an OPTION? That's such a simple solution and no-one would be complaining.

I could even live with the change to PCI-E + SATA (rather than 2xSATA), since I can plug external storage in (if needed). I currently have 1x256SSD + 750 GB SATA HD in my 2011, so a move to a fusion wouldn't be too bad. At least not for me.

But dropping quad-core options and soldering the RAM just seems completely unnecessary.
 
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Because they can. That $200 also gets you a newer CPU (with better graphics), a bigger HDD, and double the RAM.

And just wrong? Sure. Here's the 2.5GHz scoring 3805 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3210M+@+2.50GHz and here's the 1.4GHz scoring 3651 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4260U+@+1.40GHz&id=2238 - that's ~150 difference. Which is minimal.

You will also see the 15w tdp vs 35w.

pointless to argue with you. you know nothing about this and you didn't read my post.
you are apples favorite kind of customer. the new mac mini must seem amazing to you. go buy it...
 
How about the fact that they removed options like this:

2011 Mac mini: CPU Mark 5874: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-2635QM+@+2.00GHz&id=874

2012 Mac mini: CPU Mark 8326: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3720QM+@+2.60GHz&id=895

Why?

Because they can. That $200 also gets you a newer CPU (with better graphics), a bigger HDD, and double the RAM.

And just wrong? Sure. Here's the 2.5GHz scoring 3805 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3210M+@+2.50GHz and here's the 1.4GHz scoring 3651 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4260U+@+1.40GHz&id=2238 - that's ~150 difference. Which is minimal.

You will also see the 15w tdp vs 35w.
 
pointless to argue with you. you know nothing about this and you didn't read my post.
you are apples favorite kind of customer. the new mac mini must seem amazing to you. go buy it...

You say I'm wrong, I show you I was right and then you just say it's pointless to argue with me?

Lol.
 
did you just tell yourself you were right?
would you please read my first response? maybe read it a couple times.

What part of my argument are you still confused about? Let me know and I will break it down for you.

I said there was very little difference between the old 2.5 and the 1.4. You said that was clearly wrong. I showed you the passmark results of the two CPUs showing very little difference between them. You tell me I clearly know nothing about this and it's pointless arguing with me.
 
Seems crazy.....

I've just given my old MM to my folks as their Dell was getting clunky, they love it and it was a great machine. I'd have at least expected quad core (like my old one) and an SSD option.....

If its all soldered then that is just unfathomable.
 
I've just had a Live Chat myself, and after asking whether memory would be upgradeable after purchase, was told:

"I am sorry to say that due to the new board used on the Mac mini we have just released the RAM cannot be upgraded after the point of sale."

And after stating that I presumed it would be the same deal for HDD swap-outs:

"I am sorry to say not either, it has been now built with the Uni-Body design like our other Mac range."

I'll believe it when iFixit shows it to us.
 
It has and it really makes Mac's more accessible now.

Yep. You can now pick up a decently spec'd Mac for the price of a Dell/HP tower. If they get some sort of marketing team behind it, pushing it to TVs, magazines etc. it may wake the consumers up a bit.

People tend to not even consider a Mac and instantly write them off as astronomically expensive. This could tap in to the low-end tower market big time.
 
yes video editing would be better on a quad core but every thing else would be better on this new Mac mini.

Except that the old top-end QUAD mini turbos from 2.6 up to 3.6 Ghz.

The new top-end DUAL mini turbos from 3.0 up to 3.5 Ghz.

So, no matter how you look at it, the top-end model is a downgrade - in both single-threaded and multithreaded tasks.

The only update is the PCiE SSD (but in practice this only makes a difference for specialist tasks compared to a previous SATA SSD solution), and the Iris graphics. And how many mini users need TWO TB2 ports? Come on! How many mini users have TB attached storage? How many that need TB2? How many that need TWO such ports?!

The soldered RAM is a downgrade. The CPU options are downgrades.

They could simply have just slotted in the MBPro Iris Pro CPU and it would have been a winner!
 
Ridiculous pricing on these

$699 for the base model with NO PCIe hard drive? Have to add $200 to go from a 1TB HDD to a puny 256GB PCIe SSD?? That brings it up to $899 for only a 2.6GHz CPU. To get the 3.0GHz/3.5GHz CPU its another $200 for a total of $1099. That is RIDICULOUS for that hardware.
 
Apple has two obsessions gone too far: thinness and energy efficiency. New Mac Minis are all about the latter, nothing else seems to matter, which is weird for a non-battery device (and the old ones were energy efficient enough).
 
The Mac mini's a decent machine that deserves a decent amount of respect!

I feel like someone needs to address all of this properly. Yes. The mini's only available as a dual-core machine now. To all of you who think this is a deal breaker, it really isn't. A quad-core processor really isn't a necessary component for Apple's entry-level computer. That optional 3.0GHz dual-core Intel Core i7 is way more than enough power for this machine. The 2.6GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 is perfect for most people. And that machine comes standard with 8GB of memory. 8GB of memory is also more than enough power for a machine in the mini's position. I just hate it when I see people bashing on a product the day it's released! Some people are saying integrated graphics "just don't cut it".

For one, the mini's never had dedicated graphics. Why this is a surprise to anyone is astounding. Secondly (and more importantly), the mini is an "entry-level" computer. I don't think people are grasping this concept. If you want a powerful desktop Mac for intensive video editing and other similar tasks, the fact that you're even considering a Mac mini's pretty humorous. There's an iMac (and even an iMac with Retina 5K display now) or Mac Pro that'll suit your needs perfectly. And in the case that you can't afford either, the mini'll still get the job done. It'll just take longer doing it.

I must admit that I laughed pretty hard when I saw that someone was expecting FireWire in the new mini. Wake up people! It's 2014 out there. And to the people who enjoy using the mini as a server, servers are not processor-intensive machines! They require memory! A lot of memory! And with the mini supporting up to 16GB of memory, you should be fine off. It's nowhere near an astronomical amount of memory, but once again, it's a mini! Buy a Mac Pro! If you're running a business that's big enough to require a really beefy server, you should be able to afford the hardware too.

I get that I've gone off a little bit here, but I feel it's for good reason. The Mac mini's a decent machine that deserves a decent amount of respect. And all things people bash it for are completely unjustified. And as for its upgradeability, the Mac mini hasn't "physically" changed. The memory is absolutely upgradeable. I just can't get over how dense some people are. I hope I've addressed some issues people may have. I'm aware that some people will be pissed at this, but keep in mind that I'm just stating facts. Point me to one thing I'm just "wrong" about. Hope this helped!
 
Seems like a great buy at $499, might have to pick one up. Sorry for those expecting a Mac Pro at this price point. Might be time for you guys to move up to a big boy machine.
 
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Yep. You can now pick up a decently spec'd Mac for the price of a Dell/HP tower. If they get some sort of marketing team behind it, pushing it to TVs, magazines etc. it may wake the consumers up a bit.

People tend to not even consider a Mac and instantly write them off as astronomically expensive. This could tap in to the low-end tower market big time.
Yeah, the problem is that the Mac mini's don't get enough exposure in store, even in Apple stores. If they did they could be a real entry level model, especially when you factor in that it has iWork and iLife software included which for comparative Microsoft software you have to pay extra for.

What I'd be interested in is if the Mac's were offered to schools, and colleges where they will already have screens and such, but offering them the Mac mini's for normal users at the low prices would fit really well within their budgets and would encourage more users to the Mac.
Hopefully Apple's relationship with IBM for enterprise will take advantage of this.
 
LPDDR3 means low-powered (all the way down to 1.2 volts or thereabouts) RAM. It does not mean soldered. Whether it IS soldered on or not is undetermined, but being LPDDR3 simply means very low power.

In this particular case, the LPDDR3 RAM *is* soldered to the mainboard.
 
Any idea what should I do? I'm currently using a mid 2008 MacBook unibody 2.0ghz, Samsung evo ssd, 4gb ram and just installed yosemite. Still running well but battery is gone case. I have been waiting for the mini for abit and now I'm at the crossroad. Should I get the 2014 supposedly "upgraded" version or the late 2012?
 
Any idea what should I do? I'm currently using a mid 2008 MacBook unibody 2.0ghz, Samsung evo ssd, 4gb ram and just installed yosemite. Still running well but battery is gone case. I have been waiting for the mini for abit and now I'm at the crossroad. Should I get the 2014 supposedly "upgraded" version or the late 2012?

why do you want to go from a mbp to a mac mini? just dont get the base version. and consider an imac. (not the base version either).
 
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