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Apple Announces New Mac Pros With Up to 12 Cores, SSD Options
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Apple isn't consistent with adopting new tech. They were the first to include USB back in the day, and this SDXC stuff is VERY new, but no BluRay. So it's hard to say which bandwagon Apple will jump on. But if this LightPeak stuff is as good as intel says it is, it definitely sounds like a product Apple would want to adopt early, but like i said, it's all speculation at this point.
He said, steven go "Hug" yourself. I'm sure of it.
No. I think it was "feed".
Steve is looking too thin these days.
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Unlike me?
I however do feel that the argument of "The Mac Pro is overpriced to me because a Core i7 PC with the same performance is half the price" is a valid one from a consumer stand point. That the consumer system doesn't have ECC memory and won't be certified doesn't make it an invalid argument if those things don't matter, more so when the performance between them is on par because they use the same technology. The comparisons get worse with the Mac Pros because they are limited in features compared to consumer systems, as well as workstations from other companies yet cost a lot more.
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Well, it was 7 asterisks, so maybe it's hug and feed?No. I think it was "feed".He said, steven go "Hug" yourself. I'm sure of it.
Steve is looking too thin these days.
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Yes, because as Apple fans, we want the back of our cases to look better than the front of the other guys. This MUST be something that's real important to Apple fanatics since Steve has said it 2 or 3 times and even Phil mentioned it at the G5 iMac unveiling..
Let's face it, ours computers should be beautiful, gorgeous, delicious , and oh so elegant next to those FUGLY boring beige boxes....
So apparently, looks only matters to you Fanboys when the shoe fits..
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I'm thinking the next Pro release will have Light Peak. The Light Peak technology was demo'd in '08 on a MacPro motherboard which could suggest that Intel and Apple are working closely together on this. I'd take a stab and say they will come up with a Light Peak cable with Firewire or USB ports.
Or maybe not...
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And if you think that the exterior case looks that solely for aesthetic reasons, then you don't get Apple at all. Apple is about form from function, sometimes overly so. The current case, from a functional point of view, is highly refined and a mature product. The case makes it stupidly easy to add and swap drives. Upgrade memory, and add expansion cards. It keeps things cool inside with quiet air movement. The systems are easy to move, the systems are kept up off the floor - just that inch or so reduces dust ingestion by about 80% or more. Any non-technical type can, by reading the manual, open the case and add a drive in just minutes. And a technical type can do it without reading the manual.
How the heck can you improve on that? Professionals don't buy a system (well, they shouldn't at least) because it looks good, at the expense of function. And Apple doesn't want to sell to people who buy based on looks at the expense of function.
I shake my head at some of the posters here.....
Like I said before I like the case, simple and clean. Just wish the handles on the top went flat.
I'm upgrading from a old Power Mac G5 so this is quite a upgrade for me. I agree they didn't wow us with this upgrade. But for me this is great.
I'm upgrading from a old Power Mac G5 so this is quite a upgrade for me. I agree they didn't wow us with this upgrade. But for me this is great.
Well, it depends on how much you do at once really. If you are doing some huge operation that's going to take awhile, and you have some free cores, then you can feel free to go do something else to increase your productivity. It's pretty sweet.
And then there's BOINC.
erm....
Well, technically, I don't buy macs to run BOINC, on the other hand, all of my computers do run it, & the older computers on my network (G3, G4, & G5, & MBP 1,1), that is about all they do.
I won't be buying one of these immediately, but I will be getting one. My holdup is getting the software to catch up with the hardware. Which is what really matters.
Why pay premium for 12 cores?
I was thinking that for those people who want more than 8 cores, why not just buy cheap mini's and setup a render farm? I would think that a base 4 core machine (for the edit) along with a couple of mac minis would be cheaper and faster for rendering. I can't think of any reason to buy 12 cores in one machine when you have options to setup external renders. What I think would be the best solution is to have fast CPU on the edit machine, and multiple external cores to send the final file out to. Why would anyone want to keep the whole process confined to one box? Please enlighten me.
I was thinking that for those people who want more than 8 cores, why not just buy cheap mini's and setup a render farm? I would think that a base 4 core machine (for the edit) along with a couple of mac minis would be cheaper and faster for rendering. I can't think of any reason to buy 12 cores in one machine when you have options to setup external renders. What I think would be the best solution is to have fast CPU on the edit machine, and multiple external cores to send the final file out to. Why would anyone want to keep the whole process confined to one box? Please enlighten me.
Why should this be a valid point when the product isn't even targeted at consumers, but professionals?
Yes, it makes it invalid. Whether you need the feature or not, it is there, so it is accounted for in the price. It can only be overpriced if there is the same product for less.
The minis are overpriced for a renderfarm. $700 for a 2.4 Ghz core 2 duo that has two ram slots? My bosses would murder me.
ugh, hackintosh is looking likely
It's been four years since I upgraded so I'm going to upgrade this year.
If the entry level westmere + an SSD is outrageous I'm gonna go hackintosh.
What's the best site to walk you through building a hackintosh? I've built PCs before but I'm guessing you have to use certain components for it to be compatible with OS X.
It's been four years since I upgraded so I'm going to upgrade this year.
If the entry level westmere + an SSD is outrageous I'm gonna go hackintosh.
What's the best site to walk you through building a hackintosh? I've built PCs before but I'm guessing you have to use certain components for it to be compatible with OS X.
I think a lot of posters have wandered into the wrong forum. If you earn your living from the Mac Pro then the price is not really an issue, it pays for itself many times over. The case design? I still don't understand the bitching about that. The performance - The Mac Pro I'm typing this on hasn't been turned off for three years, it's never gone wrong and performs its duties daily with just a little care and attention along with its brothers and sisters in the room, that's what a large part of the Mac pro is about. I don't know anyone in the industry who doesn't want to keep working with Mac pros, the only thing I would change is Apple giving us more of a clue about the future so we can plan our purchases.
Yeah, except that Apple paid Intel to develop Lightpeak, so it's not at all like Blueray. I think Lightpeak is coming sooner rather than later. Very soon. And that may be a reason that Apple is not bothering to change the case design at all, because it will be totally obsolete in a year or two since Lightpeak changes everything we assume about computer designs.
Agree. OpenCL as alternative to CUDA is supported well on NVidia cards, but on ATI it still has problems. Makes you wonder how the whole Snow Leopard/OpenCL/GrandCentral thing and all the performance improvements that were promised (and not yet delivered) are working on this hardware.
But I guess the bigger issue is the lack of software that actually uses all the CPU cores efficiently. Interestingly Apple is relatively silent about performance of the new HW - usually they have big logos "2x the performance" or whatever. Now they show some not very impressive benchmarks for rendering and H.264 encoding and thats about it...
The plain fact is, if you don't need a Xeon or ECC ram, why even look at the Mac Pro ?
Apple doesn't make a consumer grade tower anymore. Whining about it is futile.
Apple doesn't make a consumer grade tower anymore. Whining about it is futile.
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Just because YOU keep it hidden away doesn't mean that EVERYONE keeps their PowerMacs/Mac Pros under a desk.
At work our PMG5s/MPs are on top of our desks next to our Apple Cinema Displays. It's handy to have instant access to the front ports for headphones, USB flash drives, FW/USB external drives, etc..
It was Apple's fault, not Adobe's.
We are replacing all of our PMG5s/MPs with the latest 27" i5 iMacs in our Art Dept within the next 3-4 weeks. Mainly because of the cost differences vs. actual performance. We do not crunch any hard core video here, predominately print and web work. And with that upgrade we are moving to CS5 finely.
Back in the day you knew who was a true graphic designer by whether or not they had a PowerMac. Today, a veteran professional can get away with using the high end iMac. Make no bones about it, if Apple could... they would kill the Mac Pro and force everyone to iMacs.
If the design of the case isn't important than why is it that we have seen TWO different versions of the AL iMac already?
At last
A decent post from someone who appreciates what the Mac Pro is all about - good performance, rock solid OS and extremely robust build quality.
Sense at last.
A decent post from someone who appreciates what the Mac Pro is all about - good performance, rock solid OS and extremely robust build quality.
Sense at last.