because there is a single CPU quad core alredy in there as BTO ... which you would have caught if you had read the thread
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because there is a single CPU quad core alredy in there as BTO ... which you would have caught if you had read the thread
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Well, for you that's great. I would never game on a console because the controls are wonkey. Try running a realism flight simulator on Xbox: you'll never duplicate the hundred key combos, and then you want to attach a Thrustmaster Cougar and program that as well! PC (Mac) gaming = flexibility and customization. Also, there is a lot of fun to be had participating in the modding community. Taking your favorite game of the year and building new levels or whatever. I've been a Falcon 4.0 hacker for a while now, and I'm always looking for the best hardware to run it on. Different strokes for different folks!
Well, for you that's great. I would never game on a console because the controls are wonkey. Try running a realism flight simulator on Xbox: you'll never duplicate the hundred key combos, and then you want to attach a Thrustmaster Cougar and program that as well! PC (Mac) gaming = flexibility and customization. Also, there is a lot of fun to be had participating in the modding community. Taking your favorite game of the year and building new levels or whatever. I've been a Falcon 4.0 hacker for a while now, and I'm always looking for the best hardware to run it on. Different strokes for different folks!
I went the store and only saw the 8-core. Sorry, I missed it. No need to get your undies in a bunch. Chill.
Wait a minute. Just checked the store again and I don't see a quad. Where is it?
Nevermind- got it.
Where do you get that info? It says (on Uk site)
# Optional Bluetooth 2.0+Enhanced Data Rate (EDR) up to 3Mbps
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Uh, it's $200 more expensive than the old mac Pro which was $200 more expensive than the 970MP powerMac which was $500 more than the 970FX PowerMac. When you don't have an unlimited cash supply it adds up.
I've been using tower form factor workstations at home and at work for over two decades, thank you.
My new iMac is the first non-tower PC I've used since my original PC AT.Yes, I am aware that the advantage the tower has is expandability and yes, that is a "feature". But HDDs are larger then they were in the G4 and G5 Power Mac days. And the video cards are more powerful. And with so many things now integrated into the systemboard, the need for slews of slots is not as great.
So for someone coming from a G4 Power Mac or first generation G5 Power Mac, the iMac just might be sufficient thanks to the advances and integrations since those machines shipped. And if it is not, then there is the Mac Pro tower.
Actually it is. I was not expecting to get a 1600GHz FSB in the base model, and I was not planning to get a BD until the prices dropped. This machine is pretty much as predicted by most except that they opted for the 2.8 1600 over the 2.83 1333 which boosted the price a little.
Very, very pleased. Bought with no regrets. This machine should last me a long time, and burn through the rendering that I have to do!
The Mac Pro will make a damn good gaming machine! Slap XP on that puppy and you should be able to play till your heart's content.
I plan on doing it. If I wanted ONLY a gaming box, I'd just build one for around $1200. But, to say the the MP cannot be a gaming box, is ridiculous.
So, you can build your gaming box for $1200 (like I have done, many, many, times) and then run out and buy a Mac, or you can have both in one and forget the gaming box (for all but the most, extreme, die-hard game nerds who will spend $10k to build a gaming box)
I plan on doing it. If I wanted ONLY a gaming box, I'd just build one for around $1200. But, to say the the MP cannot be a gaming box, is ridiculous.
So, you can build your gaming box for $1200 (like I have done, many, many, times) and then run out and buy a Mac, or you can have both in one and forget the gaming box (for all but the most, extreme, die-hard game nerds who will spend $10k to build a gaming box)
I think they call it an entry level model
. I think most people (with a brain) know there are millions of combinations and there might even be a Blu-Ray option down the line but certainly graphics cards galore. Sorry to state the obvious to everyone else So if that's where the prices should be, please point us to an equivalent PC that's $500 less for the same features. I'm looking forward to your response.
Someone already posted a Dell comparison, and it was THOUSANDS more.
People keep whining that the design didn't change, but what's wrong with the current design? Change for no good reason seems like a waste of time and money. What about the current design needs fixing?
Does this product allow for DDR3 RAM? Penryn does, but is it currently disabled for the new Mac Pro?
I hope not.
And regarding the GPU: This is a workstation, not a Personal Computer and the actual Workstation class GPU is the BTO :
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600
Featuring a massive 1.5GB frame buffer of GDDR3 memory, the NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 is the ultimate workstation-level graphics card. It’s ideal for industrial-strength 3D design work, modeling, animation, and stereo 3D visualization. One of the most advanced graphics cards available, it has an integrated stereo 3D port, so you can use stereo goggles for stereo-in-a-window visualization applications. With two dual-link DVI ports, you can connect two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays.
For $2850 that puts this system over $6k.
The tech specs on that card are phenomenal for people who need demanding OpenGL 2 graphics, do real-time physics applications across engineering disciplines, etc.
Problem: We need actual industry recognized engineering apps (Pro/E, SolidWorks, CATIA, Dessault Systems Simulia and of course ANSYS, etc) to convince large projects to use Mac OS X and OS X Hardware.
Where are you Apple?
http://www.ansys.com [missing]
http://www.proengineer.com [missing]
http://www.ptc.com [missing]
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/applications/plm/catiav5/sysreq/index.html [missing]
http://www.solidworks.com/pages/services/SystemRequirements.html [missing though I could care less]
These are to a greater or lesser extent all staples in the Engineering Industries.
APPLE support is a grand total of ZERO.
I hope not.
And regarding the GPU: This is a workstation, not a Personal Computer and the actual Workstation class GPU is the BTO :
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600
Featuring a massive 1.5GB frame buffer of GDDR3 memory, the NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 is the ultimate workstation-level graphics card. It’s ideal for industrial-strength 3D design work, modeling, animation, and stereo 3D visualization. One of the most advanced graphics cards available, it has an integrated stereo 3D port, so you can use stereo goggles for stereo-in-a-window visualization applications. With two dual-link DVI ports, you can connect two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays.
For $2850 that puts this system over $6k.
The tech specs on that card are phenomenal for people who need demanding OpenGL 2 graphics, do real-time physics applications across engineering disciplines, etc.
Problem: We need actual industry recognized engineering apps (Pro/E, SolidWorks, CATIA, Dessault Systems Simulia and of course ANSYS, etc) to convince large projects to use Mac OS X and OS X Hardware.
Where are you Apple?
http://www.ansys.com [missing]
http://www.proengineer.com [missing]
http://www.ptc.com [missing]
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/applications/plm/catiav5/sysreq/index.html [missing]
http://www.solidworks.com/pages/services/SystemRequirements.html [missing though I could care less]
These are to a greater or lesser extent all staples in the Engineering Industries.
APPLE support is a grand total of ZERO.
The Intel 5400 server/workstation chipset is FB-DIMM, which is the price of buying that class machine.
I just checked the Apple store and its $100 dollars more! $2899 CAD
What's the problem? Just drive across the Rainbow Bridge and buy one in Buffalo. Sheesh...
One can hope but, personally, I am doubtful...
Take the specs for the MB Pro (high end), the iMac and the Power Mac (low end), there is not much room left for something in between for an other model...
No complaints here. With my ADC discount this is a great deal !!
Just ordered the 2.8 Quads. The new chipsets is what helps this "speed bump"
Just ordered the 2.8 Quads. The new chipsets is what helps this "speed bump"
Problem is, they have a easier time developing large projects on PC configurations, which tend to be more moddable (for instance, hardware issues are less likely to creep up when you need to change hardware around, whereas who knows how long and how much you have to pay to get apple to add new hardware) and backwards compatible as well. Also, underlying OS differences and code is important to remember (such as MATLAB working on certain OS's only etc).
To those pissed about the cost, this is high end (even the bottom model with a single proc). And Apple don't compete on price.
Today, the only people who need a Mac Pro and probably wont have it pulling in dollars for them are students. Poor students! They have such a hard life.
Today, the only people who need a Mac Pro and probably wont have it pulling in dollars for them are students. Poor students! They have such a hard life.
well price only went up in the US afaik... around here it's 2050 euro which isn't bad for a 4 core 2.8 ghz compared to before
and of course it's high end but for anybody outside of a country with high US influence it very likely become a better deal
hey i'm a mac mini user waiting for a machine with desktop chips in a midi tower
