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true that ... but the quadros aren't actually that different hardware wise from the consumer cards ... in fact nvidia and ati simply lock down those special CAD instructions/pathes on the consumer cards to make them slower for professional apps (so that the pros actually pay those enormous prices)

i think i remember a few generations where you could simply flash the firmware and turn your 400$ card into a 2000$ CAD card (nowadays they pull more tricks to prevent that)

Yep thats right, you used to be able to do that by changing a few things and reflashing the firmware. The performance for CAD or 3D Rendering would go up considerably, but you ended up actually dropping the FPS and your gaming ability.

As for the mac pro, I'm interested to see when the store comes up the student price is on a single core mac pro with a 8800 GT, thats more than enough graphics card muscle to do what I want.
 
They have the most powerful processors available, just like before. There was nothing to update until now and they updated it...so blame intel for the wait.

Exactly. Why don't people get this? There were no better processors for the Mac Pro until now. If this bothers you so much, go become an AMD and try to build better processors in a more timely manner.
 
Because Apple offers a 14 day price protection period and other retailers offer up to 1 month.

"Should Apple reduce its price on any shipped product within 14 calendar days of shipment, you may contact Apple Sales Support at 1-800-676-2775 to request a refund or credit of the difference between the price you were charged and the current selling price. To receive the refund or credit you must contact Apple within 14 calendar days of the price change."

But why do that for??? How much of a problem is that?

I, along with others, wouldn't want to buy today then come next week having the BTO option put out and having to go through all the channels to get the matter corrected.

That's just a waste of time to me...

~Crawn
 
Well, I actually caught the news right as it was posted and have been reading through pages, waiting to get to the end of them to post, but the end never comes, so here I go...

I've been waiting out the Mac Pro since Intel was announced, my goal being to skip the G5 (I made it!). Hanging on with my 1Ghz rev1 17" Powerbook G4 and an iMac g4 I picked up for $50 and fixed. I'm writing this from a G3 Powerbook Pismo, even. Hardcore, no?

Well, I was glad to hear the news and surely WANT the machine, but I'm going to wait it out until the spring and see if a case redesign or "pro-sumer" unit comes out. I'm a semi-pro, I work from home doing freelance audio work, and the g4s barely cut it anymore, not to mention their inability to use Logic Studio.

I see lots of people angry about those with case re-design gripes, but seriously, this is still the G5 design (externally at least), and though I want the machine for work and care more about the inside, I'll be pretty miffed if a new, sparkly one comes out 3 months later with options more suited to my needs. It's a machine that I will spend almost every day at, it they can make it easier to use, easier to store, more compatible/diverse or, sure, even prettier, I want it.

Blu-Ray isn't there yet, and as many have pointed out, Apple would surely charge more for it anyway. The thought of 50gb backup optical media tickles me, as I have binders full of burned DVDs already, but I can wait and install it myself when it's cheaper/standardized.

It's nice to see the Mac Pro get attention again, but I'm going to try to eke out another 4 months from my ridiculous array of 4+ year old machines and wait to see what's coming.

OK, enough ramble. I started this post when the discussion was up to page 7, let's see where it ends up!

Oh, and one user (sorry, no quote) stated that it would be silly to use the new MP as a media center. Why? I don't have a TV and plan to use my new MP (and hopefully new display) as my TV/DVD Player.
 
Anyone noticed you can get a BTO option of just 1 Quad Core Xeon processor?

Surely, once the pricing on the BTO options becomes available, if you went for the baseline hardware, it'll be cheaper than before?

Cheaper mac pros anybody?
 
That would be iPhone price-cuts all over again.
"I just got my MacPro, i want BluRay too" etc.

Besides, why would they release a completely new system today, and just announce HD-drives at Macworld. Unless they're going all the way, BluRay as BTO in all computers, i don't see the use of this being a special Macworld announcement.

Perhaps I should've explained my thoughts in more detail. If, for example, a Blu-Ray player become the default drive on all Macs, I think the new Mac Pros will ship with them.

I think it would be quite odd if they do announce something like this next week, but I susect that if they do, it will play out as I've suggested.

Until the store is up, it's all speculation, Hi Def may very well be a BTO option.
 
It still is a $98 graphics card in a $2,800 computer.

And it's a card that's plenty good enough for many mac pro users. If I'm running Logic and Soundtrack Pro, I don't WANT to be paying more for video horsepower I don't need.

If you need a better graphics card, just BTO.
 
This is GREAT!

This is fantastic! :D
O soooooo want one!

Whats the news on Leopard and SSE4?
Do you think Apple can send out a 10.5.xx patch that replaces relevant core parts of the os, that are recompiled for the new instruction set?
What do you guys think?
 
I want one, help?

I made a deal with my fiancee that if I was to sell my 1 yr. old Mac Pro

- Dual 2.66, 4GB Ram, 750GB HDD (3 drives), Dual Optical/DVD, Bluetooth

That I can get the new Mac Pro, but I'd really like to keep it. If only I could afford to have both, I'd use the older one for a slick linux server running Xen.

How much you guys think I should ask for my old Mac Pro if I decide to sell it?
I have no idea really.
 
This is fantastic! :D
O soooooo want one!

Whats the news on Leopard and SSE4?
Do you think Apple can send out a 10.5.xx patch that replaces relevant core parts of the os, that are recompiled for the new instruction set?
What do you guys think?

Ya 10.5.2, will do.. if it isn't already capable.. that is.
 
Perhaps I should've explained my thoughts in more detail. If, for example, a Blu-Ray player become the default drive on all Macs, I think the new Mac Pros will ship with them.

I think it would be quite odd if they do announce something like this next week, but I susect that if they do, it will play out as I've suggested.

Until the store is up, it's all speculation, Hi Def may very well be a BTO option.

Ok, we have to wait for the store to be up again to be absolutely sure.
But why on earth would they want to hold back on that info in the press release?

EDIT: it's up in Belgium, no HD-drives as expected.
This monster goes for nearly 20.000€ full option :D (without monitors)
 
austrian store up

euro price for the base model: 2.499 euro so we finally got adjusted a bit

for the single CPu option it's -450 euro

8800GT is costing +180 euro
 
no new displays it seems.

2799$ = £1749

£2k for best value setup

8-core 2.8
500gb drive
2gb ram
8800gt

sounds pretty reasonable to me

shipping in 3-5 weeks, plenty of time for them to bung a bluray in there if Apple announce it next week.

given the weight of the warner announcement, an apple announcement would not get made on the mac pro page.
 
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