Nothing good comes from outsourcing to India. A very general statement but pretty much fact. Companies only go to India for the low costs, I hope apple has alterior motives such as talent but it's a very poor move if it's based on costs.
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Apple Announces Plans to Establish iOS App Design and Development Accelerator in India
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MH01
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Makes sense, i can see Apple moving more stuff to India as they will play ball, while China says jump and TC says how high .
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but they are already in China for the low costs, as much as we would love to see made in America , it's not going to happen. All the big companies just do it for $$$$
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but they are already in China for the low costs, as much as we would love to see made in America , it's not going to happen. All the big companies just do it for $$$$
ChristianVirtual
macrumors 601
iMovie get a Bollywood upgrade ... More color and automatic dancing-mode.
Apologies to my Indian colleagues 😉
Apologies to my Indian colleagues 😉
When you move/sell jobs overseas that happens.
djcerla
macrumors 68020
It actually came before, not "next".
Garageband and Logic libraries are choke full of Indian instruments. Better luck next time.
VictoryHighway
macrumors regular
Exactly. I was encouraged to get into computers when I was a kid (80's), and am a programmer now. I wouldn't necessarily encourage my children (if I had any) to get into programming these days, because there won't be any programming jobs in the US by the time they're ready to enter the workforce.
Col4bin
macrumors 68000
Yes, that is what the article states verbatim. I'm reading between the lines a little and forward-thinking... Apple looking for support with maps development of India, new Apple Store openings... I can't help but think both sides if this coin are intertwined. In the end it's great for India's engineering and development community, and also good for Apple's market penetration and profit.
BruceEBonus
macrumors 65816
Designed in India, made in China, priced in US 🙂
Seems were the only ones that are picking up on this. This is a tactful move by Apple to grease the wheels in India. They're investing here so they can expand and "sell used iPhones". Their recent investment into the Chinese ride sharing was for political reasons. It gives them good graces with the government and the people for whenever Apple wants to do something. Again, this is all political under the guise of doing good. Apple is here to make money, not friends.
Gasu E.
macrumors 603
This is true, but the gap has been closing. My company started doing this about four years ago, when engineering salaries cost 20% of what it did in the USA. Now it's over 50% and rising. Given that terrible Indian infrastructure and bureaucracy impose an additional (and significant) "tax", I'm not sure how much they are really saving; especially if Indian tech salaries continue to rise.
niun
macrumors 6502a
Wasn't this blocked by a consortium of mobile companies including Samsung? I'm pretty sure no matter how much Apple try they will not be selling used iPhones in India.
Gasu E.
macrumors 603
He's not talking about your examples of abuse; he's talking about an actual shortage. Believe me, I work in US tech and engineers do not stay unemployed, nor are they underpaid. And here in the US, in large established companies, foreign-trained engineers are a must. It's just my observation, but domestically educated engineers (and particularly younger ones) seem to be attracted to start-ups or other very young companies.
Everyone here complains about how Apple quality has been going down. You all have no idea how hard it is to hire QE engineers in the US. It's not glamorous work! Without foreign-born and educated workers, it would be much worse.
kdarling
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There's plenty of US engineers. The problem is, corporations only compare what they have to pay in salary, and fail to consider output, quality, loyalty, and supporting local talent.
Exactly. This has nothing to do with any Apple R&D. Apple is smarter than that.
It's about buying their way into India, while at the same time, actually helping jump start regional app development.
ProjectManager101
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Good article for when someone says illegal immigration has taken or jobs and they want to kick the Mexicans out... Apple is investing on cheap labor overseas, that is it.
I know, I can't help but see this as a major distraction for Apple. They can't even get small details right, but are focused on spreading their incomplete and occasionally broken software even broader. It's a new world, with Tim running Apple, and I guess I need to adapt to that.
Amazing Iceman
macrumors 603
Udemy and others, provides you with a long menu of topics to be learned with complete curriculums. You take your pick and learn what you want.
In comparison, College and University curriculums are not as deep and complete. True, you may take some other required classes and elective classes, which add up to the bill, but are these really necessary?
For example, Rob Percival's iOS 9 course is much more complete than Stanford's CS193P, the course offered through iTunes for free.
The question is: what is more valuable in real life: Acquired experience or a diploma?
chrono1081
macrumors G3
You're completely incorrect. There are tons of people here who are more than qualified, jobs just don't want to pay them what they're worth.
Companies like to claim there are no qualified people, but that's a lie and they know it. They put a ridiculous laundry list of items on a job posting that no one can possibly fill, this lets them seek out H1B visa status where the outsourcing companies magically "find" people with that skill set (a skill set that person in reality doesn't come close to matching) and that person gets in on an H1B visa, then the person currently doing their job gets to train them how to do the job.
You obviously never worked at a place that outsourced development to India. What to know what happens? The jobs often end up coming back because the product completely suffers, the customer base gets angry because the software begins to get filled with bugs and hacks, and the company wastes millions of dollars trying to fix what they screwed up by trying to save some money.
v0lume4
macrumors 68030
Exactly what I'm saying. I'm totally against the institution of college. There are certain degrees and circumstances where a degree is absolutely necessary. I don't fault anyone for that. Doctors, teachers, etc. But for everyone else, the whole thing is a lie, and yet most of the kids haven't realized it yet. It makes me sad to see kids these days coming out of college with $100,000+ in debt with no guarantee of a job and, frankly, no experience. My friend has a job that *requires* a college degree, yet he has an associates degree. Honestly, employers don't care about college. And this is coming from me, a 22 year old.
[doublepost=1463582503][/doublepost]Not to mention the fact that what you learn in college is mostly filler. The future of education is being able to pick and learn exactly what you want to learn. And honestly that future is already here, though most people settle for the outdated method--college.
Indians do a better job at lower cost. No wonder why Tim is so keen.
There is probably allot of talent elsewhere, but that still doesn't make up for why u'd make stuff in India more. compared to anywhere else.
At least, that's what i've heard...
There is probably allot of talent elsewhere, but that still doesn't make up for why u'd make stuff in India more. compared to anywhere else.
At least, that's what i've heard...
iShater
macrumors 604
Cook is an operations guy. He is surely looking for ways to cut costs, but India is a huge market to tap for the iPhone.
That being said, it is all about cost reduction, and no innovation.
That being said, it is all about cost reduction, and no innovation.
v0lume4
macrumors 68030
A company that a friend of mine worked for shut down because of this very reason. Set back after set back due to poor communication and service between the American-based office and the outsourced office caused countless issues, all culminating with the second-hand-man of the company stealing nearly half a million dollars and taking it back to his home country. Yikes.
There's talented people here in America. There's talented people everywhere. India too! However, the reality is that companies here in America outsource to India because it's cheaper. It's a sad state of affairs for everyone.